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Post by mangocrazy on Sept 2, 2020 21:04:05 GMT 1
This is a bit premature, as the bike in question (a 1980 RD350LC) hasn't yet fired up and doesn't have an MoT. It is insured, though. I'm the original owner, the bike is in my name, the address hasn't changed, in fact all the log book details are correct and unchanged. The registration document is the old style white background with blue highlighting and dates back to 1990. When I check the bike's details on DVLA it reports that it ran out of tax on 1st November 1989 and that no MoT details are held.
Given that DVLA actually hold details on the bike, do you see any problems when I come to tax it? I realise that even though the bike is over 40 years old (first registered 8th August 1980), the tax exempt status normally kicks in on April 1st of the following year.
I'm hopeful that taxing it will be straightforward. I'll probably delay requesting a new style reg doc until it's tax exempt.
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Post by looey on Sept 2, 2020 21:11:55 GMT 1
Given that all the details haven't changed and are still correct, I'm surprised you didn't receive an updated V5C when they upgraded them.
I wouldn't think you'd have a problem Taxing at any Post Office if you have an MOT Exemption certificate filled out and a valid Insurance Certificate.
The only spanner possibly is they do everything on barcodes now, that old V5 won't have. Maybe they can just use the reg ?
Like you say, I'd hope to get the latest V5C when you send it off to change the Taxation Class to Historic.
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Post by flames on Sept 2, 2020 21:16:46 GMT 1
I never had a problem with mine a few years ago.i had old style as v5 and it wasn't updated because it wasn't taxed or on the road at the time new ones came out. It therefore didn't need to be sorned.
Can't remember if I got new v5 when I taxed it, think I sent v5 away first to change engine number and then m.o.t then taxed.
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Post by bodger on Sept 3, 2020 9:16:19 GMT 1
Like you I’ve got a 350lc that I’ve owned from new and it had been off the road since 1997. Like you I checked on the website , it said in red letters with a big cross next to it that it should have been retaxed in 1997, but as sorning your vehicle didn’t come in until 1998 we didn’t have the choice to do that.
Anyway, after 23 years of being off the road I had the old style blue and white log book and the only thing that had changed was my address, so I rang the DVLA before sending it off with a change of address and they said as it was still registered on the system there shouldn’t be a problem.To be on the safe side I photocopied it 1st so at least I’d have some kind of proof it belonged to me . I also put in a covering letter explaining the situation.
Sent it off in January 2019 and received the new one in the same month. Then taxed it online 6 months later using the reference number on the new V5C.
If I were you ( and this is only me ) I’d send off for the new log book 1st, making sure you sign the old log book .Photocopy it and put in a covering letter as well. Then if there are any problems you can get that sorted before you get you LC back on the road.
Cheers Bodger.
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Post by reedvalve on Sept 3, 2020 12:09:11 GMT 1
I was in exactly the same situation with my 31K which I've had since 1987, I had the old style log book at my current address, all the details were correct, and I was never issued a new style one as the bike wasn't taxed or on the road at the time new ones came out. In 2017 I just phoned up the DVLA and explained I had an old style log book and was never sent a new one, they checked I did indeed have one by asking for the reference number off the old one, they confirmed it was correct and just sent me a new replacement in the post. I'd try giving them a call first before putting the old one in the post, I found it wasn't necessary to post it and that way you get to keep the original in your possession as proof until a new one is issued.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Sept 3, 2020 12:37:30 GMT 1
You can do a lot online
I would see if you can "use" any of the online services
Like change the colour or engine number if appropriate
If you can do it then that would generate a new v5
Steve
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Post by looey on Sept 3, 2020 14:49:52 GMT 1
If you're the registered keeper and the address is correct, you can just ring up and pay £25 and they'll send you a replacement
But it should be free if you wait to register it as Historic in April
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Post by stusco on Sept 3, 2020 15:10:54 GMT 1
They might want the back tax unless you sorned it 😱
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Post by reedvalve on Sept 3, 2020 15:48:53 GMT 1
As I said, I just called the DVLA quoting the reference number on the old V5 I had telling them I hadn't received a new style one and they sent me a new one at no cost, I didn't have to pay anything because none of the details needed changing, as is your case. Also there's no issue with back tax because the bike was off the road before SORN started, you've never needed to declare it SORNed if it was off the road before the SORN start date, i.e. SORN requirements only apply to vehicles whose latest tax disc expired after 31st January 1998.
As you say "When I check the bike's details on DVLA it reports that it ran out of tax on 1st November 1989 and that no MoT details are held.", the DVLA records show it was last taxed well before the start of SORN so you won't have any back tax issues.
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Post by mangocrazy on Sept 3, 2020 17:49:15 GMT 1
Cheers chaps. I was rather hoping I could just get it M0T'd and then tax it online, but that doesn't seem to be an option. It fired up for the first time in 31 years today, and is booked in for an MoT tomorrow...
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Post by jackjabba on Sept 4, 2020 18:42:50 GMT 1
Tried to get a logbook for my KE 125, as it had not been taxed or Mot for a very long time I had to send pictures of the bike with its number plate and the Vin number before they would issue me the new style V5.
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Post by looey on Sept 4, 2020 19:18:34 GMT 1
Cheers chaps. I was rather hoping I could just get it M0T'd and then tax it online, but that doesn't seem to be an option. It fired up for the first time in 31 years today, and is booked in for an MoT tomorrow... Isn't it over 40yrs old ?. In which case you can just fill in the MOT exemption form at the Post Office and Tax it there ?. |
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Post by mangocrazy on Sept 4, 2020 20:41:37 GMT 1
Cheers chaps. I was rather hoping I could just get it M0T'd and then tax it online, but that doesn't seem to be an option. It fired up for the first time in 31 years today, and is booked in for an MoT tomorrow... Isn't it over 40yrs old ?. In which case you can just fill in the MOT exemption form at the Post Office and Tax it there ?. The details on the DVLA site indicate that you can only apply for historic vehicle status on April 1st the year after it became eligible. It became 40 years old on 8th August 2020, so by those guidelines I will need to wait until April 1st 2021 to claim historic status.
In other news, it passed its MoT today with no advisories...
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Post by mangocrazy on Sept 4, 2020 21:01:46 GMT 1
And here it is - not totally standard, but largely unrestored.
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Post by looey on Sept 4, 2020 21:35:22 GMT 1
Isn't it over 40yrs old ?. In which case you can just fill in the MOT exemption form at the Post Office and Tax it there ?. The details on the DVLA site indicate that you can only apply for historic vehicle status on April 1st the year after it became eligible. It became 40 years old on 8th August 2020, so by those guidelines I will need to wait until April 1st 2021 to claim historic status. In other news, it passed its MoT today with no advisories...
Well congrats on passing the MOT but........ You're getting confused between 40yrs MOT exemption and "Historic Status". The very DAY it becomes 40yrs old, it's becomes MOT exempt (subject to certain conditions), so you can fill out an "MOT Exemption" form V112 stating section "R" "Historic Status", isn't applicable until the April following the year it became 40yrs old, will then also make it free to Tax. |
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Post by mangocrazy on Sept 4, 2020 22:13:29 GMT 1
OK, fair cop. But as the bike has just been reassembled from quite a large number of pieces, having an MoT as a sanity check seemed like a good idea to me. And it also gave me an entirely legitimate reason to take it for a first ride for over 30 years, to and from the Test centre...  |
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Post by looey on Sept 4, 2020 22:14:16 GMT 1
OK, fair cop. But as the bike has just been reassembled from quite a large number of pieces, having an MoT as a sanity check seemed like a good idea to me. And it also gave me an entirely legitimate reason to take it for a first ride for over 30 years, to and from the Test centre... Yes, agree, spot on  |
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Post by mangocrazy on Sept 7, 2020 10:55:11 GMT 1
To my complete surprise, I was able to tax the LC online, using just the 11 character reference number on my old blue and white registration document. I would never have thought that the ref. no. would still be recognised or valid after 30 years (reg doc issued 07/03/1990), but it did. So Elsie is fully road legal again... 
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I subsequently spoke to a very nice lady at DVLA and she told me that as I didn't receive a new style V5C in 2012 when they were re-issued, that I will be receiving one F.o.C. in the next few days. She also confirmed that I will be able to apply for Historic vehicle status on April 1st 2021 at a Post Office. I could apply for MoT exempt status now but might as well do it at the same time as the Historic vehicle application.
All in all, a result I think...
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Post by damiensk on Sept 10, 2020 22:55:45 GMT 1
with mine first registeed april 1982, i gather i will be able to apply for historic vehicle status april 2022?
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Post by looey on Sept 11, 2020 13:50:15 GMT 1
with mine first registeed april 1982, i gather i will be able to apply for historic vehicle status april 2022? No, it will be MOT exempt from April 2022 (40yrs to the day after it was registered), but it won't be eligible for Historic Status until April 2023 (basically the April following year it became 40yrs old) |
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Post by damiensk on Sept 11, 2020 21:32:31 GMT 1
thanks looey, i will mot it next april 2021, then make sure the next one april 2022, is just after its 40th year.
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