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Feb 15, 2020 14:23:26 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 14:23:26 GMT 1
Hi Guys
has anyone experienced issues with the length of braided brake lines from Venhill, particularly those sold by Up The Shop in the UK via ebay
I bought a full set last October, tried to fit the rear line, however found it was 30mm too long
I used the shortest they had sent me out of the set
I compared it to the original line and again about 30mm too long
All the lines are stamped Venhill, although there is nothing in the description on the packaging to say they are for 1985 RD350 YPVS, which is what I bought
I'm not sure if I can return the item after so long, however I've emailed them pictures to show the issue
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Howard
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Feb 15, 2020 15:06:49 GMT 1
Post by cb250g5 on Feb 15, 2020 15:06:49 GMT 1
Not quite the same, but I had 4 powervalve cables off them, via Norbo. All 4 were different lengths.
Their raw materials are good, but the made up stuff is only as good as the guy making them, and they don't seem to do any QC. I make my own cables now, using Venhill kit.
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Feb 15, 2020 15:32:42 GMT 1
Post by liffy16 on Feb 15, 2020 15:32:42 GMT 1
Venhill stuff is usually top quality and finish but yea some stuff could be generic to cover alot of models im sure if you contacted venhill they would sort something out ,they could certainly shorten the hoses
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Feb 15, 2020 16:08:52 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 16:08:52 GMT 1
My issue is I'm in Australia, Iffy, yes i can see where you are coming from, measure twice cut once, this one I suspect was measured nunce
Not an easy thing to do
cb250g5 what kit do you use, any special tools required or could you post a link at all, I'd be grateful
Thank you both
Howard
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Feb 15, 2020 17:12:26 GMT 1
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Post by liffy16 on Feb 15, 2020 17:12:26 GMT 1
My issue is I'm in Australia, Iffy, yes i can see where you are coming from, measure twice cut once, this one I suspect was measured nunce Not an easy thing to do cb250g5 what kit do you use, any special tools required or could you post a link at all, I'd be grateful Thank you both Howard Sorry Howard didn't realise you were down under lol
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Feb 15, 2020 17:27:50 GMT 1
Post by cb250g5 on Feb 15, 2020 17:27:50 GMT 1
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Feb 15, 2020 17:37:49 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 17:37:49 GMT 1
Seller has contacted me, pretty quickly too and has kindly offered to replace it
I've also asked for the correct lengths of the other 3 lines just in case there is another rogue line in there too
Knowing what banjos is fun too, I've 6 of them with not a lot of difference in the offsets
Found that site CB
If I can't get a good answer I'll look at HEL
Thank you both
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Feb 15, 2020 18:15:30 GMT 1
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 15, 2020 18:15:30 GMT 1
I tend to use the venhill quick build kits
Buy the ends I need then mock up the lines with tubing, measure them then order the lines
Steve
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Feb 15, 2020 20:39:20 GMT 1
Post by earthman on Feb 15, 2020 20:39:20 GMT 1
For brake lines I prefer HEL. There's someone in a nearby village has the kit to make them up, so I get him to do them for me. Does he already know the correct length of all three hoses on a 4LO for example? Or does he need to see an old hose first??
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Feb 15, 2020 20:39:42 GMT 1
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Post by kostas on Feb 15, 2020 20:39:42 GMT 1
Hi Guys has anyone experienced issues with the length of braided brake lines from Venhill, particularly those sold by Up The Shop in the UK via ebay I bought a full set last October, tried to fit the rear line, however found it was 30mm too long I used the shortest they had sent me out of the set I compared it to the original line and again about 30mm too long All the lines are stamped Venhill, although there is nothing in the description on the packaging to say they are for 1985 RD350 YPVS, which is what I bought I'm not sure if I can return the item after so long, however I've emailed them pictures to show the issue Cheers Howard A couple of months ago I got venhill brake lines for my RGV from “up the shop” just like you, received and as you said there was nothing to imply these were a kit for the RGV. Aft brake line was way longer and frond were so short that they would limit the fork travel😤😤😤 Even the banjos were not the correct angle... The seller did offer to send the correct parts if I was to measure etc but I refused. Send him the parts back and got a refund. But, same as you I live in Greece and all this is costing me time and frustration which I find unacceptable. You either know your shit set up a shop and do business or do nothing..
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Feb 15, 2020 22:51:50 GMT 1
Post by JonW on Feb 15, 2020 22:51:50 GMT 1
I tend to use the venhill quick build kits Steve In Aus you cant use these on the road, all connections must be swaged here.
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Feb 15, 2020 23:17:30 GMT 1
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 15, 2020 23:17:30 GMT 1
I tend to use the venhill quick build kits Steve In Aus you cant use these on the road, all connections must be swaged here. That's a pity as they are brilliant for getting everything aligned perfectly Even with supposed quality kits like Goodridge I've found the ends are not at exactly the right angle Suppose safety first is no bad thing Steve Steve
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Feb 15, 2020 23:22:57 GMT 1
Post by JonW on Feb 15, 2020 23:22:57 GMT 1
In Aus you cant use these on the road, all connections must be swaged here. That's a pity as they are brilliant for getting everything aligned perfectly Even with supposed quality kits like Goodridge I've found the ends are not at exactly the right angle Suppose safety first is no bad thing Steve Steve Ive had the same issue with kits as well. We have some strange rules. Its only in the last 10 years that theve recognised DOT and BS approvals for brake lines, before that they all had to have an ADR compliant tag, that just meant we paid more to have the same thing with the right tag here. mad.
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Post by cb250g5 on Feb 15, 2020 23:58:29 GMT 1
For brake lines I prefer HEL. There's someone in a nearby village has the kit to make them up, so I get him to do them for me. Does he already know the correct length of all three hoses on a 4LO for example? Or does he need to see an old hose first?? I've never built a standard bike, I just supply lengths and banjo angles, and he does his magic.
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Post by jon on Feb 16, 2020 9:53:55 GMT 1
In Aus you cant use these on the road, all connections must be swaged here. That's a pity as they are brilliant for getting everything aligned perfectly Even with supposed quality kits like Goodridge I've found the ends are not at exactly the right angle Suppose safety first is no bad thing Steve Steve Steve, I got a set of custom length an banjo angle (Triumph calipers on F2 need a steeper angle banjo) from CP Racetec. I’m sure the guy said he used to work for Hell in some capacity. They are swayed ends. However the guy just put the heat shrink on and didn’t shrink it deliberately. This was to allow rotation of the banjo to get the perfect fit. You just hold the swage gently with say mole grips or a vice, get a bar to fit the banjo hole as best as possible; then twist. Once they fit perfect, just shrink the heat shrink over the swage. Jon
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Feb 16, 2020 13:49:34 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 13:49:34 GMT 1
Hi Jon
Didn't know the joints needed to be swaged here
Is this still the case or have i done my dough?
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Post by copper99 on Feb 16, 2020 17:06:38 GMT 1
I needed a set of lines in a bit of hurry in the week so did a google, just down the road from me at Silverstone is Earls hoses, they used to be all the rage in the 90s with their anodised banjo's on streetfightered GSXRs etc but id completely forgotten about them. Few of the chaps there are LC fans and after a quick chat about racing to Chelsea Bridge and on to Heston services , I had my new hoses in 20 mins, £48 with stainless fittings, I thought that was great price and service.
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Feb 16, 2020 20:15:21 GMT 1
Post by earthman on Feb 16, 2020 20:15:21 GMT 1
I needed a set of lines in a bit of hurry in the week so did a google, just down the road from me at Silverstone is Earls hoses, they used to be all the rage in the 90s with their anodised banjo's on streetfightered GSXRs etc but id completely forgotten about them. Few of the chaps there are LC fans and after a quick chat about racing to Chelsea Bridge and on to Heston services , I had my new hoses in 20 mins, £48 with stainless fittings, I thought that was great price and service. That does sound like a good price, can't be 3 braided hoses for a 4LO surely??
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Post by copper99 on Feb 16, 2020 23:56:44 GMT 1
Your right mate, was for two , with banjo fittings & washers.
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Feb 17, 2020 12:48:38 GMT 1
Post by JonW on Feb 17, 2020 12:48:38 GMT 1
Hi Jon Didn't know the joints needed to be swaged here Is this still the case or have i done my dough? Well I was told that its in the ADR rules but its all about who does your rego check and what state youre in probably as well. I think WA is pretty lax about stuff isnt it? VIC would have to be the worst, you'd defo not get em thru there. NSW you might tho, depends on who you went to etc. My 500 came with bolt togethers, so in ACT they didnt care I guess. When I said I'd not be able to use them in NSW the seller was a bit shocked, you can use em for racing but not on the road here. typical tho for our 'rules'.
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Feb 17, 2020 12:51:04 GMT 1
Post by JonW on Feb 17, 2020 12:51:04 GMT 1
That's a pity as they are brilliant for getting everything aligned perfectly Even with supposed quality kits like Goodridge I've found the ends are not at exactly the right angle Suppose safety first is no bad thing Steve Steve Steve, I got a set of custom length an banjo angle (Triumph calipers on F2 need a steeper angle banjo) from CP Racetec. I’m sure the guy said he used to work for Hell in some capacity.They are swayed ends. However the guy just put the heat shrink on and didn’t shrink it deliberately. This was to allow rotation of the banjo to get the perfect fit. You just hold the swage gently with say mole grips or a vice, get a bar to fit the banjo hole as best as possible; then twist. Once they fit perfect, just shrink the heat shrink over the swage. Jon Er....
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Feb 17, 2020 15:44:17 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 15:44:17 GMT 1
I've got some measurements from Venhill themselves so I'll be checking the rest and sending it all back if they aren't correct
Or if any one here can use them, I'm willing to let them go for half the price I paid plus post which shouldn't be too much as they are only light
I'll get measurements of each line with out banjo's and you can decide if you wish to have them
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Post by JonW on Feb 18, 2020 2:22:02 GMT 1
Hi Jon Didn't know the joints needed to be swaged here Is this still the case or have i done my dough? Well I was told that its in the ADR rules but its all about who does your rego check and what state youre in probably as well. I think WA is pretty lax about stuff isnt it? VIC would have to be the worst, you'd defo not get em thru there. NSW you might tho, depends on who you went to etc. My 500 came with bolt togethers, so in ACT they didnt care I guess. When I said I'd not be able to use them in NSW the seller was a bit shocked, you can use em for racing but not on the road here. typical tho for our 'rules'. I had a good look this morning but couldnt find anything explicitly banning the use of non swaged brake lines in the ADR. I think maybe its a problem of using older mechanics. The ADRs and hence the rego checks change over time but some older guys are stuck in their ways. I was explicitly told I could not use them and needed new lines when i had them before, but maybe another tester would have been ok with them, who knows. What it does state now from what i can tell is that brake lines must have a manufacturer and a compliance tag on them and that tag must be DOT, TUV, BS etc etc. So long as they confirm and are tagged as such then they should pass an Aussie Rego. I remember back in 2009ish that this was a huge leap forwards for the ADR who normally try to keep themselves employed by making their own tests and compliance rules that pretty much mimic the ROW tests. Sure the cheap Indian and Chinese cars and bikes may well have been deficient in quality but EU, UK, USA parts and vehicles? Nah... Their rules said the same as the Aussie ones and compliance with those should have always been tacit approval... Anyway, this was a landmark change for those of us buying brake lines. Before that rule you had to buy Aussie made brake lines, or at least ones with Aussie tags. That meant any personally imported vehicle needed new lines all round, even if they were brand new and approved in another market. Of course that also meant we got ripped off locally for lines as it was a captive market, tho some online sellers just made ADR tags for us and fitted them to their lines, that helped.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 6:54:10 GMT 1
I have checked with my brake guy and even he is uncertain if they are legal, he's not an old bloke either, however has been in the trade for a long time
This just adds to the confusion around the country
Interestingly my LC2 which was brought in from Switzerland by its previous owner had braided lines on it, no tags that I can see, and it passed inspection without a hitch, again adding to the confusion
I guess the good thing is he can make up the braided lines that are ADR compliant
Jon makes a good point on our ADR boffins in that they make special rules for vehicles coming in to Australia, one that is particularly dumb is the low level rear bumper bar brake and indicator lights
If the vehicle (read 4WD's) had a spare mounted on the back, then the lights had to fitted into the rear bumper as well, whats the first thing that gets crunched in a rear end prang, yep, those lights, so the manufacturers had to make a whole new bumper assembly just for Australia, which is probably about 2% at the most of the world market, and we wonder why things cost more
It is interesting to see the General Motors have just announced yesterday that they are exiting the Aus/NZ market because they are no longer going to produce right hand drive vehicles, i would say this would have ramifications for the UK and Vauxhall which is part of GM
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Post by JonW on Feb 18, 2020 7:34:32 GMT 1
Yes its an interesting conundrum. Remember tho, any UK, EU or USA (and others) suppllied lines with their tags will be ok. you dont need an actual ADR tag anymore on brake lines. Yes Holden dealers will cease to exist soon. The on on the main road 2mins from my house used to be huge say 2 years ago. Now half if its floor space is Kia and a quarter is Suzuki, leaving a very small area for Holden. That slide in sales space is very telling. The tried selling Camaro and more latterly Corvettes, but they were just too expensive here after the conversion to RHD, you can buy a mustang much cheaper. I was holding out for Dodge to bring us the Challenger, but I shant hold my breath now. I saw that GM is closing Luton : news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1067123.stm...and I spose Ellesmere Port will soon follow. Gutting for the workers, but as a car maker youve gotta sell cars, so you have to make cars that people want to buy. Thats the issue here, no one wanted a Commodore anymore, they wanted SUVs. So Holden rebadged some from round the world and lo n behold the local buyers didnt like them... you'd have thought they'd have tested the market but seems not so. In fact they now offer 4 of them, and that probably just diluted the sales for each of the product lines. too much choice. Quick buy a Holden before theyre all gone... er... www.holden.com.au/ (and click 'cars' tab) In other bozarre news Kia (who makes some well selling SUVs with only 3 in the range) decided to make a sports saloon and the resultant Stinger sells really well here. Who'd have thought that Aussies would see Kias as better cars than Holdens 20 or even 10 years ago... When yer average Aussie would rather have a V6 Stinger than a V8 Commo it was time to give up really.
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Feb 18, 2020 9:57:53 GMT 1
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Post by mick858 on Feb 18, 2020 9:57:53 GMT 1
Vauxhall/Opel was sold to Peugeot /Citroën, they're bound to close down anything not in France.
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Feb 18, 2020 10:31:52 GMT 1
Post by cb250g5 on Feb 18, 2020 10:31:52 GMT 1
After years of Jags and Fords (and a couple of unbelievably shite VWs), upon retirement we got rid of both cars and bought a little Astra, the 1.0 3-pot with a big turbo. Wasn't expecting it to be much cop, but made in the UK etc.
Surprisingly it's been no bother, well equipped and nice enough to drive. Pity they are moving out of the UK, just as they have started making decent cars.
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Feb 18, 2020 10:46:04 GMT 1
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 18, 2020 10:46:04 GMT 1
Not sure on the regs but I'm sure over here that the old Goodridge bolt on banjo type were not legal hence why everything went swaged
The thing it the Venhill Quick build system is DOT certified and TUV approved for on and off road in all countries according to them
The lines are swaged onto the banjo coupler so the connection from the coupler to the banjo must be an approved connection. Probably because it is physically bolted on so will not be affected by line pressure
Steve
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Feb 18, 2020 13:34:31 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 13:34:31 GMT 1
Hi Steve
There is too much conjecture as to whether these are legal in Australia or not, our ADR buffoons, erm boffins, put out a lot of information that can be gobbledy gook to most of us, they are slowly being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, I think they DOT is, well a dot....
Even my brake guy isn't sure if they are legal or not
The good news is the seller has agreed for me to send the lines back for a full refund, so I'm super happy with that, I copied the email i received back from Venhill regarding the hose lengths, the sellers were all incorrect, he appreciated the feedback for his database
if that helps out subsequent buyers then I'm happy for that too
I'll get my brake guy to make some up from the old hoses and go from there
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