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Post by veg on Nov 13, 2019 22:15:32 GMT 1
250 frame 350 bottom end/cases
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Post by will27 on Nov 13, 2019 22:21:15 GMT 1
Bugger I bought as genuine 350 never mind I will just enjoy it
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Post by JonW on Nov 13, 2019 22:41:09 GMT 1
Very confusing now... Did you try to delete something here Will?
Do the rest of the numbers match then and only the 4L0 / 4L1 bits differ? And do the documents that came with it match the bike???
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Post by will27 on Nov 13, 2019 22:50:02 GMT 1
Very confusing now... Did you try to delete something here Will? Do the rest of the numbers match then and only the 4L0 / 4L1 bits differ? And do the documents that came with it match the bike??? Yes I tried to edit it and deleted it by mistake to be honest I have had it couple of years and never checked , the docs match the bike
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Post by veg on Nov 13, 2019 23:02:04 GMT 1
As long as you didn’t pay big money enjoy it for what it is, a fun bike. Bloody annoying if you were told it was a genuine 350 mind.
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Post by JonW on Nov 13, 2019 23:39:40 GMT 1
If you bought it a while back then you probably didnt pay todays prices, so that's ok.. plus youve loved it for this long so this wont be an issue. as you said before, just enjoy it Matching numbers is really for those who want something that is (or will be) perfect. Few of our bikes ever are or were as soon as we got them. Bikes are for enjoying, numbers are for investment.
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Post by earthman on Nov 14, 2019 8:39:22 GMT 1
I must be odd because I really don't get the investment aspect when it comes to vehicles in general,...they were made to be used and enjoyed.
If say a bike that's worth 5k today would sell for 100k or more in ten years time then I'd understand a bit more. A sum that would change your life, early retirement etc,...but then you've lost ten years of riding/enjoyment.
Life is short, money is just paper at the end of the day, it's a means to an end to me, personally I'd rather exchange it for things I'm going to actually use.
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Nov 14, 2019 9:26:41 GMT 1
You can actually ride and enjoy a matching numbers bike too! lol
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Post by rigga on Nov 14, 2019 12:00:22 GMT 1
Its a funny thing this matching numbers, it makes bugger all difference to how the bike rides, yet it seems to be the one thing that determines the value of the bike, but in reality lots of cases have been swapped out over all these years, my own 350 has 4l1 cases, its a hybrid so the matching numbers means nothing. To buy a bike and hope its an investment is a tricky thing, it may well boom in price over time, but that's only if someone is willing to pay that price, how long will the LC bubble continue to grow? As an aside i purchased my TVR 11 years ago for a smudge under 10k, its now valued at 25k, a nice bonus for all the good times I've had in it over that time, didn't buy it for any investment, sometimes you're lucky.
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Nov 14, 2019 12:23:50 GMT 1
Personally I think that once the generation that owned these bikes in the 80's and are now re-living their youth have pased on, then the market will be more focused on genuine museum standard pieces, ie matching numbers and most likley UK original bikes. These will demand even higher prices then, albeit a much smaller market.
If you consider the 350LC 4L0 there were only around 2,000 of these in the UK by 1983, how many of these still exist and still have matching numbers and frames? A few hundred is my guess.
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Post by will27 on Nov 14, 2019 14:31:06 GMT 1
If you bought it a while back then you probably didnt pay todays prices, so that's ok.. plus youve loved it for this long so this wont be an issue. as you said before, just enjoy it Matching numbers is really for those who want something that is (or will be) perfect. Few of our bikes ever are or were as soon as we got them. Bikes are for enjoying, numbers are for investment. That’s true I still enjoying riding it I was thinking about selling but guess I should keep it now bloody shame that
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Post by earthman on Nov 14, 2019 14:52:49 GMT 1
Personally I think that once the generation that owned these bikes in the 80's and are now re-living their youth have pased on, then the market will be more focused on genuine museum standard pieces, ie matching numbers and most likley UK original bikes. These will demand even higher prices then, albeit a much smaller market. If you consider the 350LC 4L0 there were only around 2,000 of these in the UK by 1983, how many of these still exist and still have matching numbers and frames? A few hundred is my guess. I agree, apart from the owner of a museum, who's going to want one of these bikes once our generation are dead/too old to enjoy riding them? Realistically I can't see them being in huge demand, certainly no one in their right mind should be parting with large sums of money for one. Lol That doesn't seem to be happening currently does it, well going by the LC's that have 7, 8 or 10k figures on ebay etc, they just ain't selling.
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Post by looey on Nov 14, 2019 15:12:15 GMT 1
If you bought it a while back then you probably didnt pay todays prices, so that's ok.. plus youve loved it for this long so this wont be an issue. as you said before, just enjoy it Matching numbers is really for those who want something that is (or will be) perfect. Few of our bikes ever are or were as soon as we got them. Bikes are for enjoying, numbers are for investment. That’s true I still enjoying riding it I was thinking about selling but guess I should keep it now bloody shame that Just put it up for sale as a non-matching bike. It won't make that much difference and there's plenty on here that won't be bothered about numbers (as long as it's not over-priced) lol
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Post by will27 on Nov 14, 2019 19:53:35 GMT 1
I not worried about selling it we are moving soon and wife thinks 10 bikes is bit much 😂 but when I think about it I like them all for different reasons
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Post by morgy on Nov 14, 2019 21:17:51 GMT 1
Only issue i could see would be if it's a 4l1 fame with 350 motor people will want to pay less as it's not a 350 LOL... not a problem if your building a hybrid make sense to buy the lower valued 250 over inflated 350 lc prices..
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Post by headcoats on Nov 15, 2019 10:41:26 GMT 1
I know a local bloke who bought what he thought was an all matching 350LC and I don't know if he checked it over properly as he owns several bikes , so the 4L1 and 4L0 stuff didn't ring a bell with him
On a local meet it was pointed out to him what he actually had and he was mortified and he sold it on not long after
He now has a genuine all matching numbers 350 which he paid a tidy sum for
So for him it was everything
Me I love all my 250 frames :-)
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Post by veg on Nov 15, 2019 10:50:15 GMT 1
I really don’t understand the whole matching numbers thing, never really have, in 2005/6 I was building a matching numbers std UK bike I bought loads of new bits every month i was spending a fortune luckily I got trade discount, I had built 3/4 of it and just thought I will never ever ride this it will be too good to waste. Sold it and all the bits and built my hybrid. It’s each to their own but I’m with Martin I don’t care ( my present bike is a matching numbers but it’s an import) hypocrite 😁
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Post by icarus001 on Nov 15, 2019 11:13:11 GMT 1
From an engineering perspective it doesn't matter a fig. All it means is that one side of the crank cases and the frame were put together in the factory, but the rest of the bike could be from dozens of other bikes.
I have a non-matching numbers import that has had five figures spent on it and it's better than any LC that left the factory, I didn't care about matching numbers when I was spending my money. But, having said that, I wish it did have matching numbers because it would be worth more and I'd recoup more of my spend if I ever decide to sell it.
I don't need the money at the moment and it's not in the way, but I haven't started it in a long time and I'm starting to wonder if I ever will, so in retrospect I wish I'd have pandered to the "matching numbers" brigade and then I'd be able to sell it at a premium.
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Post by madmick on Nov 15, 2019 11:30:08 GMT 1
Matching numbers is like a certificate of originality, a comfort blanket almost. When we see a bike with matching numbers we are duped into thinking it’s untouched... but we all know that’s extremely rare, especially when we think how old these bikes are. It’s like buying a car with “one owner” on the log book. It makes us think it’s been looked after, original, and more desirable... hence... we pay more for it.
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Post by rigga on Nov 15, 2019 12:11:03 GMT 1
It’s like buying a car with “one owner” on the log book. It makes us think it’s been looked after, original, and more desirable... hence... we pay more for it. Even worse than that One lady owner ......
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Nov 15, 2019 12:11:52 GMT 1
It’s like buying a car with “one owner” on the log book. It makes us think it’s been looked after, original, and more desirable... hence... we pay more for it. Even worse than that One lady owner ...... Needs a clutch and gearbox then 🤣 Steve
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Post by rigga on Nov 15, 2019 12:13:49 GMT 1
Well not stereotyping, but exactly .....one owner means nads when it comes to how the car was previously looked after.
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Post by icarus001 on Nov 15, 2019 12:40:06 GMT 1
Well not stereotyping, but exactly .....one owner means nads when it comes to how the car was previously looked after. Yep, there is a good chance that one owner parked his bike behind the shed for twenty five years and it was a rusted wreck until someone restored it. Same with mileage, low mileage on an old bike means nothing either. The matching numbers thing is even more bizarre, but enough people place value on matching numbers that it does actually affect the price.
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Post by madmick on Nov 15, 2019 15:41:54 GMT 1
Yeah, I agree icarus.
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