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Post by stusco on Nov 7, 2019 20:14:49 GMT 1
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Post by 4l04ever on Nov 7, 2019 20:19:31 GMT 1
They look expensive...
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Post by ianboom on Nov 7, 2019 20:38:33 GMT 1
Just read about this, Reckon it will be £14k ish.
Shame they can't rename he LC ☹️
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Nov 7, 2019 20:43:07 GMT 1
Lovely bike.
Does it meet UK emissions regulations?
If so, and its reasonably priced I would have one.
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Post by copper99 on Nov 7, 2019 21:00:39 GMT 1
Just read about this, Reckon it will be £14k ish. Shame they can't rename he LC ☹️ With a carbon chassis, fairing and wheels I think it will be more than 14k. Like some aspects of the design, looks more roomy than my KR1 thats for sure! |
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Post by urbantangleweed on Nov 7, 2019 21:08:08 GMT 1
Rumour has it they'll be around €50,000 each, that's a shade over 43,000 of your finest British pounds.
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Post by tipfinchy on Nov 7, 2019 21:27:09 GMT 1
nice , and whatever the price its nice to see firms interested in making a decent road 2 stroke
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Post by donkeychomp on Nov 8, 2019 0:23:53 GMT 1
I sniff fish. 2 strokes are banned, well new ones are in Europe and here too. 74bhp from a 250? Summat ain't right. And the body work looks like that crap early CB600 with the tank/side panel thing all moulded into one. I checked and it's not April 1st...
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Post by doohanno1 on Nov 8, 2019 0:33:43 GMT 1
" as the name suggests "😉
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Post by veg on Nov 8, 2019 7:04:49 GMT 1
The name is vins two fifty, had a look on the web quite a bit about it going back to 2017, the weight has increased and power decreased, I didn’t think they were banned just that they will struggle to meet emissions?
I guess they could always sell it as a track bike?
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Post by fozzy17 on Nov 8, 2019 8:28:52 GMT 1
you can still buy ktm 250 two strokes they get around it now with fuel injection and come with two sets of pipes and throttle adjusted to 3/4 it passes emissions, as soon as the pull them out of crate at dealers they swap the pipes adjust throttle job done, a friend of mine works for ktm i will ask him when i see him
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Post by icarus001 on Nov 8, 2019 9:10:13 GMT 1
Great idea, but I'm struggling to see it really getting off the ground at fifty grand?
You could spend 20 grand on an RGV and you'd have a bike that is probably better.
I love the fact that people are still willing to invest money in this stuff, but ultimately it's going nowhere, we won't be seeing rows of them on showroom floors, there just isn't the sales volume for fancy two strokes anymore.
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Post by richb on Nov 8, 2019 11:12:58 GMT 1
Great idea, but I'm struggling to see it really getting off the ground at fifty grand? You could spend 20 grand on an RGV and you'd have a bike that is probably better. I love the fact that people are still willing to invest money in this stuff, but ultimately it's going nowhere, we won't be seeing rows of them on showroom floors, there just isn't the sales volume for fancy two strokes anymore. Never say never lets be optimistic although have to admit hard to be on this one. But vinyl has made a comeback with the new generation who never experienced it. Problem is would need a big volume manufacture to make a range of two strokes again for a new generation to realise what they have missed out on. KTM and some other smaller factories in the off road world still produce them but mainly for competition bikes but you would have to believe that with new electronics, fuel injection, new materials for filters keep being developed the techonology is probably there. Unfortunately with all the big car manufacturers investing in electric vehicles it is only a matter of time before the big bike manufactures come on board more than they are now so 4 stroke bikes will probably fad away too. Harley are already producing electric bikes and lets be honest one of the appeals of a Harley is the sound they make so who would have thought they would be pushing the electric route. Rich |
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Post by icarus001 on Nov 8, 2019 12:35:36 GMT 1
Never say never lets be optimistic although have to admit hard to be on this one. But vinyl has made a comeback with the new generation who never experienced it. Problem is would need a big volume manufacture to make a range of two strokes again for a new generation to realise what they have missed out on. KTM and some other smaller factories in the off road world still produce them but mainly for competition bikes but you would have to believe that with new electronics, fuel injection, new materials for filters keep being developed the techonology is probably there. Unfortunately with all the big car manufacturers investing in electric vehicles it is only a matter of time before the big bike manufactures come on board more than they are now so 4 stroke bikes will probably fad away too. Harley are already producing electric bikes and lets be honest one of the appeals of a Harley is the sound they make so who would have thought they would be pushing the electric route. Rich Electric vehicles are a whole new discussion, they're little more than hype and by the time they've got the technology to the point that they're actually really viable they'll have moved on anyway. As for two stroke motorcycles, or even motorcycles in general, even if Yamaha started banging out thousands of new RD350LCs they still wouldn't catch on, the world is a different place and youngsters these days have better things to do. In my day most of us accepted that we couldn't afford cars until we were a bit older, so like it or not we had to take the bus or get a small motorcycle - which then became a way of life - all my mates that were apprentices had them, so we all socialised on them. But nowadays it's a very different scene, ask a 17yr old to ride to work on a cheap motorcycle in the middle of winter and they'll look at you like you've gone funny. |
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Post by steve h on Nov 8, 2019 21:41:47 GMT 1
Rumour has it they'll be around €50,000 each, that's a shade over 43,000 of your finest British pounds. Waaahaaahahahaa! F that... you could have a couple of TZ's or RS's for that!! |
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Post by Norbo on Nov 8, 2019 22:11:40 GMT 1
They are £35 K ready to go for uk roads and you can have them do a few custom things for that price as well if you like
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Post by donkeychomp on Nov 8, 2019 23:59:15 GMT 1
35 grand! f**k that sideways. For that money I'd have my dream garage filled...who the hell do they think will spend that kind of money on a 250?
Alex
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Post by icarus001 on Nov 9, 2019 5:06:44 GMT 1
Nice if you can afford one I suppose, as long as you're not worried about getting spares in 10yrs time.
The other thing I thought was that even if you could afford one, and even if you saw it as a disposable item and didn't care that spares would be impossible in the future - I bet it still wouldn't be more fun than a decent LC that you'd spent about a 1/5th of that price on.
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Post by bare on Nov 10, 2019 0:40:13 GMT 1
Well it certainly is Pretty, no denying that.
Pricings seem a bit aggressive and unlikely to have these rushing off the sales floor.
ALthough I was Amazed a while back the the Local Moto dealer (before it went tits up)
Sold two of those Ducati bespoke/production 4 cyl racers at 54,000$ each.
Albeit to aged and no longer nimble gentlemen though
As 250 piddlers these would certainly require a 60kg rider max.
Not quite the typ wannabee.. who may have the Lust but not the Coin to buy one
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Post by justyr on Nov 10, 2019 19:31:13 GMT 1
I find it sad that 17 year olds have ‘better things to do’.
You mean in reality or in their heads? & Like what, playing computer games. F#*# that.
Teenager personal development has gone seriously backwards in the last 20 years.
Millennial snowflakes implode at the merest sign of any criticism. Product of the age I guess.
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Post by veg on Nov 11, 2019 14:41:07 GMT 1
Are they any worse than stroppy teens 35 years ago? Every generation judges kids as less resilient than those previously, i for one wouldn’t want to be a teenager again in the modern world. Think things were far simpler when we were growing up.
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Post by icarus001 on Nov 11, 2019 15:31:23 GMT 1
I find it sad that 17 year olds have ‘better things to do’. You mean in reality or in their heads? & Like what, playing computer games. F#*# that. Teenager personal development has gone seriously backwards in the last 20 years. Millennial snowflakes implode at the merest sign of any criticism. Product of the age I guess. Whatever they're doing today is probably at least as important to them as what we did was to us. It's just different times now. I suppose it's easy to be critical but I wouldn't like to be a 16yr old now, very few apprenticeships compared to our day and unless you have a degree at 21 then people assume you're a moron. Violent crime, bullying on social media, higher expectations of appearance, etc. I'm glad I'm a moany old bugger and not a kid today. |
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Post by steve h on Nov 11, 2019 16:31:42 GMT 1
It was difficult in our day too. No jobs, no apprenticeships unless you got lucky.. No one carried knives (up here in the civilised world anyway) And everyone feared the cops and getting caught. There were no excuses for shithouse behaviour either.. And if you have a degree nowadays, many are STILL morons!!!!
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Post by pdxjim on Nov 11, 2019 17:37:50 GMT 1
I’ve got a 2013 KTM 300xcw on the road and it only cost me $5500 (used). Even here in the states where 2Ts have been “banned” since 1986.  |
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Post by Tobyjugs on Nov 11, 2019 20:06:12 GMT 1
A couple of years ago I knew a few teenagers and they were all riding 50 cc enduro and super motard bikes. Most have now progressed to cars but there are a couple who still love the larger 2 strokes and they tend to beep their horn as they ride past my house.
The larger 2 stroke bikes are a bit too exotic and expensive for most, unless they are really hooked.
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