Power Dynamo Rectifier/Condensor

[Tobyjugs]

Is anyone using this type shown in the picture below? If yes 

What type of spark plugs and spark plug caps are you using?

How many miles have you done since it's installation?

[Tobyjugs]

No one?

[mick858]

Just been out and had a look.
1WT engine with PD and same reg/rec.
Plugs are NGK B8ES.
NGK caps are marked with LB05F-R, 5k ohms.
800 miles since fitted mid June.

Mick.

[alankelly]

Hi Tobyjugs

Got the PW set up on the yellow rd

Using the non resistor plug caps supplied with the kit (it says in the installation instructions not to use resistor caps?) and standard plugs but not been out much yet as had to play the normal games with the DVLA to get the bike registration and only got it back with an age related reg number the third attempt last week👍

Best regards Al

[Tobyjugs]

Thanks for the replies chaps this is my conundrum.

The instructions for a Zeel recommends resistor plugs and the instructions for the rectifier/condensor recommends non resistor type plugs. I did not pick up on the 2 ohm caps instruction.

Hmm not sure on this one electrikery is not my strong point.

I think stusco got pulled up on it when his bike seized? due to the PV function failing

[stusco]

I just bought a Zeel for my RG the only fitting instructions was use resistor plugs

[Tobyjugs]

Aug 18, 2019 13:19:33 GMT 1 stusco said:

I just bought a Zeel for my RG the only fitting instructions was use resistor plugs

Was it your YPVS that had the failed PV function that Dave noticed when he set the bike up for you after a siezure.

[alankelly]

Hi Tobyjugs

I thought the regulator/ rectifier was just dedicated to the charging side of the alternator unit and is not used as part of the ignition system. And the ignition side was a separate system as I think the PD coil has a integrated cdi unit and then used a dedicated trigger coil

But I may be wrong☹️

Best regards Al

[stusco]

Yes it was intermittent at first then stopped all together while on the Dyno at Daves I sent my Zeel back to Borat he says it was corrupted due to non resistor plugs

[Tobyjugs]

Aug 18, 2019 13:43:46 GMT 1 stusco said:

Yes it was intermittent at first then stopped all together while on the Dyno at Daves I sent my Zeel back to Borat he says it was corrupted due to non resistor plugs

Yes all the more reason to use resistor plugs. The other piece is much cheaper to replace.

[Tobyjugs]

Aug 18, 2019 13:41:24 GMT 1 alankelly said:

Hi Tobyjugs

I thought the regulator/ rectifier was just dedicated to the charging side of the alternator unit and is not used as part of the ignition system. And the ignition side was a separate system as I think the PD coil has a integrated cdi unit and then used a dedicated trigger coil

But I may be wrong☹️

Best regards Al

Hi Al i'm not sure how your system works on the ignition side of things.

My belief is that this powerdynamo part will convert your AC current to DC current and the capacitator helps smooth out small peaks in the DC this coupled with a battery should make a really good system.
I am using this part for making the DC current and using the capacitor to help store the current to power my Zeel and Tacho. I do not know how crucial the resistor plugs are for damaging it? There will be no battery used and this part is small compared to other ways to make this system work.

[muttsnuts]

you need to use either resistive plugs or resistive caps, but not both, it doesn't really matter which as they both do the same job in the same way, they have a 5 ohm resistor built into them, the reason Borat/Zeel and ignitech recommend them is because of radio interference from the ignition circuit which can play havoc with the sensitive electronics insode the Zeel/Ignitech.

The same is also true if you are running electronic clocks, you need one of them to be resistive otherwise you'll get "drop" on the clocks signals at certain rev's etc

HTH

[alankelly]

Hi Tony

Yes I think you are right

I believe Power dynamo design unit is a single phase generator unlike the original 3 phase Yamaha unit hence why there is only one charging supply from the stator rather than the original 3 white wires, and that makes the rectifying unit a simple unit to fit with one ground wire, one connection to the stator charge coil and the other two connections to the battery terminals

Hope the above helps

Best regards Al

[Tobyjugs]

Thanks for all the help i think i will go with the caps as ive got lots of non resister spark plugs to use up 

[alistair64]

Aug 18, 2019 14:47:48 GMT 1 muttsnuts said:

you need to use either resistive plugs or resistive caps, but not both, it doesn't really matter which as they both do the same job in the same way, they have a 5 ohm resistor built into them, the reason Borat/Zeel and ignitech recommend them is because of radio interference from the ignition circuit which can play havoc with the sensitive electronics insode the Zeel/Ignitech.

The same is also true if you are running electronic clocks, you need one of them to be resistive otherwise you'll get "drop" on the clocks signals at certain rev's etc

HTH

Just to clarify what Mutts is saying, the resistor is 5K.

[marrcel]

It is all about clean earth and clean DC.
Clean DC is made by filtering AC components of it.

Clean earth is closest to the frame or minus pole of battery. A Zeel with long leads in back of your bike is not optimal.
The most sensitive part of your zeel is the servo input. Be shure your coils are earthed properly. Mine are direct on frame and i made a separate connection to the loom. The oem loom is non soldered. I soldered the earthing connections in the loom.

Tacho is low amperage. This is more easy to filter. Another trick is to filter the input signal. I added a resistor of 220 Ohm in the line between coil input and the tacho. The resitor is near the tacho. I tryed the tacho output of the ingi but that did not work with my tacho.

Your non battery setup will need extra attention to filtering. Your zeel needs 3 amps at least to power your ypvs. You have a 12V operating zeel if i remember it good. Your power coil is single coil. Now 1 you can calculate how many uF are needed to make clean12V DC. A scope can be useful to detect faul DC. Detecting AC components can also be done with an earplug. But put a small pickup condensor in serie with the earplug.
If you DC is not clean enough you can simply adding another condenser.
Place the 12V condensors close to the zeel. And for the tacho you can place a small DC filter close to the tacho. The filter can be a small coil and a condenser. Most of the tacho have these built in. But sometimes extra filtering is needed.
I hope this will help you designing the electricks😉

[Tobyjugs]

Ok