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Post by lb on May 26, 2019 23:47:46 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 0:36:38 GMT 1
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Post by JonW on May 27, 2019 2:44:48 GMT 1
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Post by JonW on May 27, 2019 2:59:11 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 15:03:27 GMT 1
$641 AUD plus postage
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Post by veg on May 27, 2019 16:54:55 GMT 1
£340 but I guess the post is a killer not a bad price though
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Post by JonW on May 28, 2019 1:23:45 GMT 1
Post from Japan is usually not that bad, but for the UK buyers i think the customs would kill it perhaps? For Aus these are ok value i reckon.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 10:36:21 GMT 1
Yes Jon
I agree post to here is pretty good
I can't seem to find a website for them, only FB which I don't really do and if I do not very well
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Post by JonW on May 28, 2019 13:05:07 GMT 1
Yes Jon I agree post to here is pretty good I can't seem to find a website for them, only FB which I don't really do and if I do not very well Here ya go Howard: retro-spl.jp/ |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 16:32:13 GMT 1
Cheers Jon
Interesting how much they seem to be putting into it
We could finally have a supplier for the YPVS tanks that will fit
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Post by allspeeds on May 28, 2019 17:22:38 GMT 1
I wonder if they would do a deal for a group buy?
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Post by kostas on May 28, 2019 21:34:09 GMT 1
I’m in for one if it was a group purchase.
Ideally the tanks should be bought and shipped to an EU company based at an EU country that charges the least to clear customs from third countries such as Japan.
Then this EU company could ship the tanks to forum members in EU, no customs required as the parts would be allowed to circulate free in EU.
If one purchasing the tank also has a company registered in the VIES system this would also allow for VAT free invoices.
Just a quick thought..
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 4:39:55 GMT 1
Maybe not after the brexit debacle
Looking at the website it seems he has a few alterations to make it perfect
Not sure if they are actually in production
It's a good point though
I wonder how many we could get at a time and what the interest would be in Oz?
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Post by JonW on May 29, 2019 7:27:07 GMT 1
Buy em one at a time Howard (or at least ship em in like that) and you'd be under the imports limit, else its another 10% + fees...
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Post by dalmahoy on May 29, 2019 7:38:25 GMT 1
Managed to get a full set of new old stock panels for my other bike (RG500).
Panels were purchased from a bloke who lived in Phoenix Arizona USA.
On arrival here, the tax man and vat man were waiting to hit me.
If the vehicle in question is over 30 years old - import tax is 5% and VAT is 0%.
Thinking - if you can convince the tax/vat man of the age of the bike and get the parts shipped as NOS - there's quite a saving to be had.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 8:06:26 GMT 1
I got hit with import duty on some panels from the UK valued at 600 quid, went over our $1000 threshold
Din't have any issues with the tank i brought in at the same price - go figure
I don't think we should have any issues with the tank out of Japan as its under that $1000 limit, the website states that the pric eincludes tax, he has an exempt price listed too
I wonder which price applies for overseas or is it a Japanese internal tax that we can possibly avoid
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Post by JonW on May 29, 2019 10:48:21 GMT 1
There is no saving to be had in Aus for gifts/nos or otherwise. Its nice and simple; if you go over the value, you get hit with tax and a fee.
The difference in your import Howard was that it was randomly picked up by Auspost i suspect, they dont have the manpower to check every item. If it'd been FedEx or other carrier they make money on the fees and always have the manpower to check parcel values.
As I said, 1 tank is fine, multiples put the value over $1k. you will more than likely be hit. Remember the taxable value of the import is all the money you spent abroad, ie it includes the postage.
As we are overseas we pay no JDM tax, so take the tax free price from his site.
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Post by JonW on Jun 3, 2019 2:04:28 GMT 1
So... after years of everyone saying 'I wish we could get LC2 tanks remade' each time the LC tanks were talked about, this thread has become a damp squib....
What's the issue I wonder? The cost of imports? the fact theyre 'abroad'? the fact you cant buy them from a uk seller? its all too hard dealing with the Japanese?
The Aussies seem all over this, but then we have to import almost everything for our bikes as so little is stocked by anyone here. Partzilla, norbo, yambits, etc etc are all overseas to us (although that lot speak almost the same language we do) . Aus also has a trade relationship with the japanese and we've a higher import tax threshold, but I'd have thought that USA/UK/EU buyers would have been a little more excited by a Japanese made LC2 tank...
Ahh well... hey ho....
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Post by Norbo on Jun 3, 2019 7:08:04 GMT 1
well if all the Haters dont f**k it up for the Uk may be we will get a good trade deal with the US and other places after Brexit.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jun 3, 2019 7:42:18 GMT 1
So... after years of everyone saying 'I wish we could get LC2 tanks remade' each time the LC tanks were talked about, this thread has become a damp squib.... What's the issue I wonder? The cost of imports? the fact theyre 'abroad'? the fact you cant buy them from a uk seller? its all too hard dealing with the Japanese? The Aussies seem all over this, but then we have to import almost everything for our bikes as so little is stocked by anyone here. Partzilla, norbo, yambits, etc etc are all overseas to us (although that lot speak almost the same language we do) . Aus also has a trade relationship with the japanese and we've a higher import tax threshold, but I'd have thought that USA/UK/EU buyers would have been a little more excited by a Japanese made LC2 tank... Ahh well... hey ho.... Couple of things are the inhibitors. Firstly on a personal level I have 2 good originals boxed up Yes import tax and post makes them expensive The other thing is that due to the amount of crap that has been out there people are wary with dealing with an unknown product from a seller on the other side of the world A history of these being used from a UK distributor would help a lot I even had a problem with the centre seam of the repro lc tanks so even good products can have issues Feedback would be the greatest selling feature Steve |
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Post by JonW on Jun 3, 2019 8:27:51 GMT 1
So... after years of everyone saying 'I wish we could get LC2 tanks remade' each time the LC tanks were talked about, this thread has become a damp squib.... What's the issue I wonder? The cost of imports? the fact theyre 'abroad'? the fact you cant buy them from a uk seller? its all too hard dealing with the Japanese? The Aussies seem all over this, but then we have to import almost everything for our bikes as so little is stocked by anyone here. Partzilla, norbo, yambits, etc etc are all overseas to us (although that lot speak almost the same language we do) . Aus also has a trade relationship with the japanese and we've a higher import tax threshold, but I'd have thought that USA/UK/EU buyers would have been a little more excited by a Japanese made LC2 tank... Ahh well... hey ho.... Couple of things are the inhibitors. Firstly on a personal level I have 2 good originals boxed up Yes import tax and post makes them expensive The other thing is that due to the amount of crap that has been out there people are wary with dealing with an unknown product from a seller on the other side of the world A history of these being used from a UK distributor would help a lot I even had a problem with the centre seam of the repro lc tanks so even good products can have issues Feedback would be the greatest selling feature Steve I hear ya Steve. There is always a problem of wanting feedback / reviews for new products, its a chicken and egg. Someone will always have to be brave and stump up etc. I will say that the Japanese are pretty fussy about parts like this, hence why Im thinking these will be good. The Japanese are not the Indians and I doubt they ever will be. I would think they will be much closer to mm perfect rather than 'made from a photo' etc. Perhaps a uk distributor will be found, but I suspect that the Japanese have not even considered making sales to the UK, for them its hard work with the language barrier, shipping, taxes etc. Someone in the uk would need to approach them I would think and then order a bunch (and be involved enough to travel and look at them) so would need to be a big enough company, someone like Hi-Level perhaps but with their changes I expect tanks arent really part of their business model now. Anyway, I expect some will land in Aus at some point as its even more relevant here as painting a bike is so expensive for us, having your tank leak after painting is a wallet killer etc. |
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Post by headcoats on Jun 3, 2019 9:22:33 GMT 1
With the sheer amount of Power valves that were produced, you think someone would have sorted it by now
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Post by JonW on Jun 3, 2019 13:20:44 GMT 1
They are... in Japan.
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Post by dusty350 on Jun 4, 2019 7:30:17 GMT 1
Having spoken to Norbo about the repro tanks, I believe it took him 7 years to get to the point where you can buy a good repro Lc tank. There were a lot of "not quite right" prototypes before he ended up with the right tanks. The other issue is that there are 2 types of Pv tank, whereas an Lc tank will fit all models of Lc. I don't know the volumes involved, but if 50% were 31k and 50% were 1ua/4ce, you've just halved your potential market. Pv owners are crying out for a decent repro tank, and I would imagine a Jap made item would/should be as good as it gets, but Vat/import duty/shipping costs + anything else involved would add significantly to the cost on an item no one has yet seen or tried up close. There are firms in the Uk that make aluminium tanks for race bikes and specials. I wonder what the cost would be for a batch made by them, either in ally or steel if they would do it ? Dusty  |
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Post by jon on Jun 4, 2019 7:51:36 GMT 1
It’s all about timing as well.
Because of the increasing rarity of good tanks, people have been buying them when they come up for future use.
If I’d have known that repro LC tanks were in the pipeline, I’d have waited for one. As it is I’ve managed to pick up 3 good original tanks before the repro’s were made; so can’t justify buying a new one now.
Jon
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Post by JonW on Jun 4, 2019 8:04:29 GMT 1
Dont worry Jon, the repro LC tanks will dry up soon, you'll be able to sell on your used ones then...  I would agree with you Dusty, but remember that the USA only had the early YPVS tanks, that market would net a good few sales I would think if a person wanted those. Over the past few years the price of bikes in the USA and Canada have come up to the level where spending real money on a tank is now an option there. |
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Post by allspeeds on Jun 4, 2019 10:40:44 GMT 1
Is there any figures for the amount of 31k type bikes sold in the uk compared to the original Lc ?
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Post by JonW on Jun 6, 2019 1:36:49 GMT 1
In sheer numbers I suspect that the 31k style tank has a bigger market worldwide than the LC as there is the USA market to consider, and the fact that the LC2 model stretched into 85 with the F/N1 models as well. That only matters if as a seller you can tap into those markets and supply via a local seller with taxes and still be at the right price point. Ive never seen Indonesia, Japan or USA sales figures for our bikes... makes you wonder... Ok, to lighten the mood... This thread is absolutely not about the Indian tanks, we all know not to buy one of these now I am sure, but yesterday I was surfing Aussie Gumtree and happened across a seller hoping to cut their losses and get rid of this sad excuse for an Indian tank. Not only was the shape wrong (obvious in the other pics), but check out the pic below... can you spot the problem?  I dont for one minute think the Japanese will encounter any such a problem with theirs, they not only care a bit more about what theyre doing, but they also at least have an old tank or two rather than (what must be quite blurry) photos to copy! |
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Post by lb on Jun 6, 2019 7:29:53 GMT 1
All good points,im all for trying to get this to work for everyone. Why i have been chatting to these folks on n off about it,ive even asked them to join the forum to come talk about it all as it will benefit everyone.
I could even ask Norbo if he wanted to make contact with them,maybe even talk to them about where lc tanks were made? As that could really be beneficial to all of us....
Anyway just a though...
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Post by Norbo on Jun 6, 2019 7:59:04 GMT 1
All ready in talks with them .
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