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Post by andrewm on Apr 1, 2019 18:26:17 GMT 1
Will the RD’s stop appreciating In value? In particular the 350LC’s
I kind of get the feeling that the restored / decent conditioned RD’s are at their peak price wise.
I was thinking that I thought it was kind of like a generation thing either people in the 70’s-90’s burning around like a hooligans on the two strokes and for what ever reason grew out of them and changed bikes due to the evolution of bikes?
For some of us older gents it might be the fact that we can afford to have one sitting around as a toy or can have the bikes we always wanted due to financial reasons, others it’s just a trip down memory lane. The newer bike generation of today just seem to be interested in dirt bikes quads & sports bikes none of which has a over amount of caracter. Our generation will only be able to ride bikes for so long. So what’s the younger generation going to hanker after and collect when they want a toy / trip down memory lane?
When I say out generation I’m talking about 30-50 year olds ish.
So will the nostalgia of the RD’s die out with our generation electing the long term value?
It’s a bit like the Raleigh choppers stupid money at the moment due to all the trip down memory lane people that have a spare few quid. See them selling for as much at £1200.00 most people under 30 have never even heard of them.
Do you think the hybrids will gain in value like the stock LC’s just thing they also have something to offer the youngsters that want to be different, nice suspension setups wide tyres modified ect.
I only just started to think about this as I was thinking about buying a couple more RD’s not overly expecting them to appreciate but would be nice but not hopefully loosing any money.
It’s just nice idea to put the spare cash into having something I can enjoy and look after and hopefully re sell and not loose out on rather than have the money sitting it the bank.
I dunno then the guy that owns the bike mechanics told me today that my hybrid would be worth 10k in 10 years time thought that was a bit excessive.
I dunno where do you guys think the stock RD’s & hybrids will be value wise in 10 years time?
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Post by stusco on Apr 1, 2019 18:41:13 GMT 1
I personally don’t care I like building and riding two strokes it’s my hobby and I don’t care for the look of newer four strokes been there,I do like a four stroke super moto though
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Post by andrewm on Apr 1, 2019 18:51:04 GMT 1
I personally don’t care I like building and riding two strokes it’s my hobby and I don’t care for the look of newer four strokes been there,I do like a four stroke super moto though Yea same here, I used to race a husky mortard! Never forget that bike, most amount of fun I’ve ever had in s bike. |
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Post by Yogi on Apr 1, 2019 19:05:51 GMT 1
There all rising year on year,every time it looks like they’ve peaked they rise again
A couple of years ago imports were quite cheap but as the uk stock has got snaffled up
the imports have become more desirable due to price and availability
Parts are getting dearer and rarer too
I know loads of old codgers with Brit bikes that are worth loads so I think they’ve still got a way to go yet
Hybrids have sold for pots of money already
There now selling for prices we all laughed at a few years back,calling them dreamers
It’s still an hobby though and not many hobbies are free so don’t expect all your money back
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Post by 1966baz on Apr 1, 2019 19:16:02 GMT 1
Very occasionaly Ive seen a bargain, like a really well sorted N1 for £4200 the other day. Think it was a bloke on here. On the other hand I've see 2 F2 tanks rusty and dented go for around £400 each! In general I think a good LC / YPVS/ Hybrid will hold strong money for a while yet.Personally I own them because I just love them.
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Post by madmick on Apr 1, 2019 19:18:55 GMT 1
+1 on that yogi.
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 1, 2019 21:56:49 GMT 1
It used to be that a nut and bolt correct, matching numbers, Uk Lc was the version that held top spot price wise, and whilst they still command high prices, a quality hybrid with desirable mods can match those standard Lc prices. Hybrids vary hugely though, so for one to fetch the biggest bucks, it has to be absolutely right for the right buyer. Parts sellers cottoned on to the hybrid scene a few years back, hence the prices of the staple parts like Rgv forks/wheels etc going stratospheric  . A decent hybrid is not a cheap build like it used to be. For me, it's all about the building of them now. Don't think I've ever owned any bike that I've not modified in some way, and the Lc's and Pv's were made to be modded weren't they ? I think the prices have slowed right down in the last year/18 months - they don't seem to make quite the same money they did, and high priced bikes tend to sit around longer than they used to. It actually doesn't do any of us any favours having a model of bike that far exceeds it's true value - finding the next project can be too expensive for most now, and fresh, potential owners could easily be put off by the high starting prices. These bikes were aimed young hooligans that could (just about) afford them, modify them, crash them and blow them up and then rebuild them and start all over again !! You couldn't easily do that nowadays  My thoughts are that they will eventually tumble - price wise. They appeal to a certain generation - us - and mean nothing to peeps who didn't grow up with them, so I think the days of high priced Lc's and Pv's are limited. Question is - how long ?? Dusty  |
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Post by bngt on Apr 1, 2019 23:02:51 GMT 1
Certainly.
There are two category's of bikes that appreciate. Those that there are very few of and which were high end exclusive ones already when they were new, like Vincents or Laverdas. Then there are those that we still want to ride and trash and modify etc. They appreciate just because of inflation and that new bikes are more expensive still.
The Vincents could cost 5-10 times as much as a new bike. An RD 350 will never cost more than a new decent middle class sports bike.
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Post by JonW on Apr 1, 2019 23:17:52 GMT 1
I agree with most of whats been said above but will add that ss the price of new bikes does up and up years on year, it drags with it the price of the nicer oldies. This is especially true in recent times when the classic look is 'in'.
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Post by donkeychomp on Apr 1, 2019 23:30:10 GMT 1
I know one 11 year old who can't wait for me to pop my clogs as he gets my LC in my will...he's bike mad (all down to me as his dad doesn't even have a licence) so one day...maybe...he'll be flying the LC flag and sticking the middle digit up at all the twerps in self drive electric boxes.
Kinda reminds me of Red Barchetta by Rush
Alex
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Post by reedpete on Apr 1, 2019 23:46:27 GMT 1
Inflation will keep the cash price moving up.
Us lot reaching retirement will push the prices up.
The supply of loads of imports drying up will push the prices up.
Us discussing the fact that the prices are bound to go up will push the prices up......
However my personal view is so what ! They remain a very cheap hobby, and even if they did the unthinkable and prices went down they would struggle to drop in price anywhere near what we all suffer in depreciation on our daily driver cars.
However , don’t treat them as an investment. Buy them because you want to enjoy them
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Post by bare on Apr 2, 2019 3:21:25 GMT 1
IMO largely a 'UK' phemomena.
Ain't No Audience... Ain't No show.
You guys are seemingly willing/eager even ? to pay thru the nose.
No idea why given the incomes disparity.
Bigger Fool theory (google it :-) as possible explanation ?
Lc's are still fairly inexpensive in Canada. Not many of us want 'em and those who do aren't likely to pay large either.
Interesting that, as it was as big a market here..as in the UK when these things were current.
US Never got them so their rarity issue creates a slightly premium price... but it's a Very small market
IMO, truth be told these bikes aren't near as desirable as an xs 650 is here.
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Post by marrcel on Apr 2, 2019 6:44:51 GMT 1
Kinda reminds me of Red Barchetta by Rush Alex Greath song! Had the album on vinyl. It is from the same period as our RDs. I will put this on today. Thx |
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Post by pdxjim on Apr 2, 2019 7:00:09 GMT 1
Thing that gets me, and this is a Stateside thing mind, is even though most of the good JDM strokers are now import legal up to 1995 model year, they have skyrocketed in price the last few years.
Example: I sold my very nice, and very rare at the time, R model 3XV in 2012 for $5500. Nowadays, even though they are legal to import and register, (and are thusly much easier to find) they are going for $9-$10k.
A good RZ350 YPVS is knocking on $8,000 now.
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Post by earthman on Apr 2, 2019 7:40:12 GMT 1
Inflation will keep the cash price moving up. Us lot reaching retirement will push the prices up. The supply of loads of imports drying up will push the prices up. Us discussing the fact that the prices are bound to go up will push the prices up...... However my personal view is so what ! They remain a very cheap hobby, and even if they did the unthinkable and prices went down they would struggle to drop in price anywhere near what we all suffer in depreciation on our daily driver cars. However , don’t treat them as an investment. Buy them because you want to enjoy them 100% agree on that last sentence. Build them, fix them, polish them but most of all, ride them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 8:10:15 GMT 1
Inflation will keep the cash price moving up. Us lot reaching retirement will push the prices up. The supply of loads of imports drying up will push the prices up. Us discussing the fact that the prices are bound to go up will push the prices up...... However my personal view is so what ! They remain a very cheap hobby, and even if they did the unthinkable and prices went down they would struggle to drop in price anywhere near what we all suffer in depreciation on our daily driver cars. However , don’t treat them as an investment. Buy them because you want to enjoy them 100% agree on that last sentence. Build them, fix them, polish them but most of all, ride them. There are a couple of types of owners, some are doing it for the love of bikes love of 2 strokes or the love of an LC. Then there are those that polish/ride/collect. Each to their own. The nostalgia trip makes them more desirable. They don't really depreciate like a new bike. If we are talking investments and your £5k turns into £6k in 2 years that's a very good return percentage but it is only £1k... Ride it Don't hide it |
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Post by sandpiper on Apr 2, 2019 9:59:50 GMT 1
The majority of rd fanatics are people who were teenagers in the 80s ie now 50 to 60 year old who have paid off their mortgages and sitting quite comfortably with some spare cash and want to relive their youth, that’s what’s driving up the prices. If you speak to a young guy now about motorbikes he probably never heard or has any intentions of buying an rd especially when he knows how much he will need to own one,my son in law who’s 26 years had never seen a Rd125lc until I invited him to see my collection. So on this basis my opinion is when our generations gone I don’t think there will be many others who will have that buzz for them like we have ( we had them when we were crazy young lads ). So the market will become non existent except for a few who were brought up with their dads owning the marque. That’s my opinion but what do I know if I could of predicted the future I would of brought all the 80s bikes when they were a couple hundred quid and now be sitting on a beach in Barbados.
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Post by reedpete on Apr 2, 2019 10:11:37 GMT 1
IMO largely a 'UK' phemomena. Ain't No Audience... Ain't No show. You guys are seemingly willing/eager even ? to pay thru the nose. No idea why given the incomes disparity. Bigger Fool theory (google it :-) as possible explanation ? Lc's are still fairly inexpensive in Canada. Not many of us want 'em and those who do aren't likely to pay large either. Interesting that, as it was as big a market here..as in the UK when these things were current. US Never got them so their rarity issue creates a slightly premium price... but it's a Very small market IMO, truth be told these bikes aren't near as desirable as an xs 650 is here. I think our small crowded island with back then mostly narrow twisty roads makes the difference . I can fully appreciate an early xs650 would be more desirable in Canada and USA. We like the LCs because they were the first of that generation of light weight sports strokers. The Aircooled strokers also well loved but still really represent the transition of the ‘70s. The LC’s set the agenda for the ‘80s. |
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Post by earthman on Apr 2, 2019 12:49:19 GMT 1
The majority of rd fanatics are people who were teenagers in the 80s ie now 50 to 60 year old who have paid off their mortgages and sitting quite comfortably with some spare cash and want to relive their youth, that’s what’s driving up the prices. If you speak to a young guy now about motorbikes he probably never heard or has any intentions of buying an rd especially when he knows how much he will need to own one,my son in law who’s 26 years had never seen a Rd125lc until I invited him to see my collection. So on this basis my opinion is when our generations gone I don’t think there will be many others who will have that buzz for them like we have ( we had them when we were crazy young lads ). So the market will become non existent except for a few who were brought up with their dads owning the marque. That’s my opinion but what do I know if I could of predicted the future I would of brought all the 80s bikes when they were a couple hundred quid and now be sitting on a beach in Barbados. I agree, when I'm on mine the folk who look/come up to speak to me are all 40+, the youngsters don't bat an eye lid, well except for the noise maybe. Lol |
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Post by steelerd on Apr 2, 2019 13:39:37 GMT 1
I think they will go up in relation to parts availability I don't think its a generation thing had my first 350lc at 16 an 29 now turn 30 in a few weeks
an now hunting for a rd 400 or 250 which are even older bikes than the 350 lc !
Ride Norton's an all sorts and got other mates who do as well who are my age.
Did 2,000 Miles in a week on my 250lc running it in a plenty more after that.
When you look at the price of Brough's all those guys are long gone. I'd love to have one outta my reach sadly though.
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Post by reedpete on Apr 2, 2019 13:48:16 GMT 1
Who knows what the medium term future will hold, when the only new bikes are electric maybe the LC will be seen by the few as the must have eco anti-christ !
Also there is emerging following of these strokers , 40 somethings in India, 30 somethings in south east Asia. Wouldn’t surprise me if we became the source of imports to those places rather than a destination.
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Post by mannanan on Apr 2, 2019 14:03:20 GMT 1
I am very happy with my standard F2 having inherited it from my Father in 1999. No idea what it would be worth now but it’s irrelevant as I won’t be selling. A few years back they were always a fair bit cheaper than the early Elsies and the cheapest of all was the Brazilian 350R. If I was looking to buy an LC now and my budget was limited, I would be seeking out a decent 350R. A bonus would be the twin round headlight which I think is far better aesthetically than the square single one on the F2. The power valve lump is superior to the earlier lumps (Tin hat on, incoming) Your bang for buck will be decent and have no doubt, they will appreciate in value. If I had room in the garage, I would be looking for one now, obviously at the right price.
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Post by Jethro5 on Apr 2, 2019 14:07:10 GMT 1
I have a 20 year old son. He owns a MT09. He laughs at he performance and reliability of my LC. I don’t think he’s a buyer in the future. I like it though.
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Post by earthman on Apr 2, 2019 15:04:06 GMT 1
I have a 20 year old son. He owns a MT09. He laughs at he performance and reliability of my LC. I don’t think he’s a buyer in the future. I like it though. I'm impressed that he's on two wheels at least, I just don't see many youngsters on bikes period. |
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Post by donkeychomp on Apr 2, 2019 22:30:09 GMT 1
Kinda reminds me of Red Barchetta by Rush Alex Greath song! Had the album on vinyl. It is from the same period as our RDs. I will put this on today. Thx Enjoy! Moving Pictures isn't it? I have it somewhere on CD. Alex |
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Post by jackjabba on Apr 4, 2019 11:51:23 GMT 1
I have a 20 year old son. He owns a MT09. He laughs at he performance and reliability of my LC. I don’t think he’s a buyer in the future. I like it though. Obviously not a resident of the UK. He would be stuck on a lot smaller bike at 20 here. |
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Post by peacey on Apr 4, 2019 12:59:28 GMT 1
There’s still a younger generation that follow them granted not many. I’ve Done a full resto at 24, not interested in new bikes rather ride an old 2 bang.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 15:06:48 GMT 1
Interesting topic and the thoughts of folks are just as interesting
Is each generation of motorcyclists only interested in their generation of bikes?
Or are we pigeon holing each generation to that generation of bikes/
We have 5 bikes in our family, the new reliable Japanese bikes, GSX1250FA for me and a Tracer GT for the missus, we both love these two bikes
Then we have the geriatric older bikes, RD350LC2 and Australian RZ350R for me and a 98 Ducati Monster for the missus, again we both love these bikes too, I couldn't afford an RZ in the early 80's I can now
It's interesting that the missus only learnt to ride about 8 years ago and never really had an interest in bikes before then, she did have a few rides on the back of her fathers Harley when she was a kid and on the back of my Honda CB250RS and VF400
Her first "bike" was a 50cc 2T scooter, she got that when she was 42, next was a VTR250, then an FZ6S and now the Tracer
She was never pigeon holed into the 80's, she also loves the look and feel of the older bikes, although kick starts aren't her cup of tea
She will equally fall in love with a BSA Bantam or a Ducati Panigale, although we probably couldn't afford either LOL
What am I implying here, you may ask, well in my view as long as there is this enthusiasm on bikes, I think the generations whether 80's or not will still buy any bike young or old
As for prices rising or falling, I don't think it really matters, I'm not in it to make money, most on here aren't either, we all know we spend a whole lot more on the upkeep or builds than we will ever get back, we do it for the enjoyment
If someone thinks the price is too high, they ain't going to buy it
I buy to ride and I buy to appreciate them, not to appreciate in monetary reasons
Like others I get the 50 year olds looking at the 2T, I'll get a text from fiends on here who have spotted my bike on facebook and outed me, but I also get younger and older people looking at the bike trying to work out what it is and that's what starts the conversation and thus the interest
I have apprentice mechanics spin around when they hear the LC2, I had a friends apprentice, who I didn't know, approach me in a small town asking me if my back was an LC as his tradesman had two and the appy loved them
So buy, ride and enjoy and keep the conversation going
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Post by earthman on Apr 4, 2019 15:40:27 GMT 1
I think that it's partly a generational thing yes,..same goes for music and fashion really.
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Post by donkeychomp on Apr 4, 2019 22:13:39 GMT 1
Pretty sure a Bantam is a cheap (ish) bike. I'm not stuck in the 80's as some modern bikes I think are totally amazing and I'd love one as a daily rider. Something fast and reliable would be great. A Panigale...yes please!
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. A decent hybrid is not a cheap build like it used to be. For me, it's all about the building of them now. Don't think I've ever owned any bike that I've not modified in some way, and the Lc's and Pv's were made to be modded weren't they ?
