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Post by morgy on Oct 31, 2017 16:30:19 GMT 1
What are the main ways to tell Reproduction side panels and tanks, Are there any Yamaha stamps date codes, or other sure fire way to spot cheap Indian Chinese parts...
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 31, 2017 16:38:28 GMT 1
Easy to spot an Indian tank
It doesn't fit 😂😂😂
Easy to spot a genuine tank
It's full of holes 🤣🤣🤣
No seriously if your buying repro just go to norbo
Quality tank and side panels
Steve
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Post by morgy on Oct 31, 2017 17:07:04 GMT 1
not buying just yet.. just looking for info if an when i find a bike....
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Post by steve h on Oct 31, 2017 18:19:16 GMT 1
Panels.....
Original......cracked or cracked and repaired or crack imminent.
New repro.....no cracks.
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Post by doohanno1 on Oct 31, 2017 18:42:44 GMT 1
What are the main ways to tell Reproduction side panels and tanks, Are there any Yamaha stamps date codes, or other sure fire way to spot cheap Indian Chinese parts... Model code embossed on the inside of originals.. |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 31, 2017 18:42:56 GMT 1
Put it this way
I'm about to start an LC hybrid build and although I don't even have the donor bike yet I've bought a repro tank and about to buy repro panels
If I'm doing a 10k build it won't have 35 year old bodywork on it
Steve
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Post by wallcraft on Oct 31, 2017 19:43:04 GMT 1
Wow 10 bags, brave man. That was half the value of my first house!!
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 31, 2017 21:14:03 GMT 1
Wow 10 bags, brave man. That was half the value of my first house!! Luckily I ain't footing the bill for this one Building it for a mate of a mate Steve |
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Post by lolly on Oct 31, 2017 21:41:43 GMT 1
I've got a full set on my 4lo , fit and look perfect
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Post by wallcraft on Oct 31, 2017 21:48:27 GMT 1
Sadly that's the sums involved now especially if you go the Athena etc route.
I've used repro side panels and tail unit and was very happy with the end results, certainly the way to go now we have the option, better than the plastic welding carry on that aventually fails.
Mark
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Oct 31, 2017 21:51:26 GMT 1
I'm still not convinced with the UK repro tanks, curves are still not 100% for me, generally too sharp, but the alternatives not brilliant either and definitely avoid the Indian ones. Find a good old tank and clean, de-rust and line it is my approach but not endorsed by all. Panels can be repaired, as long as the outside looks good i don't mind some visible repairs on the inside. Not everyone's cup of tea though.
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Post by 4l04ever on Oct 31, 2017 22:30:08 GMT 1
What are the main ways to tell Reproduction side panels and tanks, Are there any Yamaha stamps date codes, or other sure fire way to spot cheap Indian Chinese parts... Model code embossed on the inside of originals.. ...and on the inside of good reproduction ones too :-) |
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Post by doohanno1 on Oct 31, 2017 22:46:32 GMT 1
Model code embossed on the inside of originals.. ...and on the inside of good reproduction ones too :-) Never knew that.. |
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Post by 0h5h1t on Nov 1, 2017 8:09:04 GMT 1
I can vouch for Norbo"s repro plastics, side panels and tail unit as I used them when spraying my mates bike. No issues, perfect fit and will hopefully last years without cracks appearing. His tanks get good reports but I haven't actually used one myself so cannot comment on them. But if I needed a tank I'd buy one without hesitation.
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 1, 2017 8:29:59 GMT 1
I agree about the lines on the repro tanks - they seem slightly sharper over a standard tank, but you need to put new against old to see it. Certainly doesn't bother me, and it took me a bit of time to see it. They are really good quality though, fit perfectly, and will definitely see another 30 odd years on the bike if you look after them. Same with the panels - I replaced all of mine on both bikes, and they are perfect, both in look and fit. The availability of these parts make owning and restoring an Lc so much easier nowadays  Dusty |
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Post by plumma on Nov 1, 2017 9:27:00 GMT 1
It's Ok for you lc guys, but what about us blokes who want a ypvs tank??
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Nov 1, 2017 9:30:30 GMT 1
Don't care if the tank is not 100% as the original
It's going to be a hybrid so hopefully the rest will distract them lol
Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Nov 1, 2017 9:33:19 GMT 1
It's Ok for you lc guys, but what about us blokes who want a ypvs tank?? Ypvs tanks are about, just whether you want to pay the 200-300 that really good ones command I've replaced them on my last 3 31k builds 31k or 1ua? Steve |
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Post by plumma on Nov 1, 2017 10:03:59 GMT 1
31k, but it doesn't help when I'm in Australia.
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Post by Norbo on Nov 1, 2017 10:33:13 GMT 1
It's Ok for you lc guys, but what about us blokes who want a ypvs tank?? well the tooling is 20K then you need to get 200 tanks any takers and i dont think they will sell as well as the lc ones its just to much at this time |
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Post by nelly on Nov 1, 2017 12:50:13 GMT 1
It’s great that stuff is slowly getting remanufactured anything to keep bikes on the road is a big thumbs up from me👍🏻😎
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 1, 2017 13:37:52 GMT 1
The other issue with Ypvs tanks is they differ between 31k and 1UA, fitment wise, whereas all Lc years were the same. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if you get great repros like the Lc tanks, but probably harder to shift the amount necessary for the different models. Dusty |
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Post by JonW on Nov 2, 2017 22:32:07 GMT 1
While thats true Dusty, the LC was a 3 year bike, so was the early ypvs... so while the LC is being restored at a greater rate for many reasons, the older ypvs has the same year span as the LC and while it may not have sold quite the same number of bikes there are not many good tanks left, the time is getting ripe for a brand new option.
IMHO they would sell, and while not quite fly out the door like the LC tanks did, I reckon the brave person who made them would get their money back and make a packet in the end. I know its a big investment, but if no one makes it then we may as well give up on restoring the ypvs models, in Aus its like that. I have 5 of those tanks in my garage, only 2 hold fuel and both need liners. luckily i have 2 bikes, so im ok (for now) but for how long? The other thing is that here paint is silly money. repairing a tank and painting it will be 700+quid plus the liner, and if it leaks then its all ruined. Id much rather buy a tank I know will work as the paint is cheaper due to less repair etc. I also have an F2... with no tank...
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 3, 2017 9:09:46 GMT 1
I absolutely agree with you Jon The Lc2 is my favourite Pv, and a bike I would love to own again one day. The big issue with restoring one is, for me, the probable issue with the condition of the tank - just like the Lc's used to be. I had a tank with a liner already in it that peeled off in great strips and floated around inside. I know some of these liners are good, but it's still a liner in a 30 year old plus tank, and never as good as a new tank would be. I don't know what the margins are regards the new Lc tanks - I hope it's been worth the effort for those involved getting them reproduced coz we were crying out for them. If it has been a successful endeavour, then we are more likely to see Pv tanks being introduced in the future hopefully, but it will be more involved, and more of a financial risk, due to the two different types of fixing underneath. Pv's aren't in the same league as the Lc's when it comes to values, and the amount of people wanting them and restoring them - yet ! I suppose it's like a lot of things - the new model that breaks the mould and sets a new bar is the one that everyone remembers most, and although you can argue the Pv models are better bikes for performance and handling, the Lc's still seem to be more desirable, hence the ridiculous prices they seem to fetch. I think the Lc2 is a lovely bike - the credible link between the Lc and later model Pv's, and I think it will be the next bike to really gain in value and popularity, and that may, hopefully, encourage the manufacture of new tanks. Fingers crossed  Dusty |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Nov 3, 2017 10:12:13 GMT 1
repairing a tank and painting it will be 700+quid plus the liner, and if it leaks then its all ruined. Id much rather buy a tank I know will work as the paint is cheaper due to less repair etc. I also have an F2... with no tank... Yes paint is a major cost now on a rebuild I just did a budget set. I had a spare tank painted when I built my hybrid years ago. Was a bit of a mare as it was a guy from a very well known paint co doing them as a homer and he had probs at work so ended up taking 5 months As an apology he only charged £75 a tank On my latest build I am trying to build a nice lightly modified lc2 keeping the budget below the bikes value so the spare tank is going on it. I bought a decal set to match the tank then took the sides, tail, bikini and belly to a nice local car sprayer who has a bike. He preps ( I did a couple of plastic repairs first ) then primes/basecoat and call me to pick them up I take them home and fit the decals that night and drop off the next morning He clear coats then leaves them overnight for me to pick up the next day. Now ignoring the tank the total cost for the plastics was £55 for the decals (Would be cheaper but I got a spare set of tank decals) and the painter charged £140 Yep that's right £140 for 5 panels Yes the paint is not perfect, it has the odd spec or dimple in it but it's for a usable bike and it looks bloody good. On another note I got mark Cordwell to paint my last new pearl white lc2 tank to match panels I already had and he only charged £200. Thought that was good Steve |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Nov 3, 2017 10:20:22 GMT 1
I absolutely agree with you Jon The Lc2 is my favourite Pv, and a bike I would love to own again one day. The big issue with restoring one is, for me, the probable issue with the condition of the tank - just like the Lc's used to be. I had a tank with a liner already in it that peeled off in great strips and floated around inside. I know some of these liners are good, but it's still a liner in a 30 year old plus tank, and never as good as a new tank would be. I don't know what the margins are regards the new Lc tanks - I hope it's been worth the effort for those involved getting them reproduced coz we were crying out for them. If it has been a successful endeavour, then we are more likely to see Pv tanks being introduced in the future hopefully, but it will be more involved, and more of a financial risk, due to the two different types of fixing underneath. Pv's aren't in the same league as the Lc's when it comes to values, and the amount of people wanting them and restoring them - yet ! I suppose it's like a lot of things - the new model that breaks the mould and sets a new bar is the one that everyone remembers most, and although you can argue the Pv models are better bikes for performance and handling, the Lc's still seem to be more desirable, hence the ridiculous prices they seem to fetch. I think the Lc2 is a lovely bike - the credible link between the Lc and later model Pv's, and I think it will be the next bike to really gain in value and popularity, and that may, hopefully, encourage the manufacture of new tanks. Fingers crossed Dusty Hi Dusty Don't let the tank put you off getting another 31k Good tanks are out there, you just need to be patient and know where to look Oh and be willing to pay up to £250 for one. That's for like new inside. I've sourced 7 over the last few years and although I've maybe had to wait a couple of months for one but they turn up in the end. Steve |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 10:54:56 GMT 1
Hi Steve
The issue we have down under is the postage cost not just the cost of the tank
It more than doubles the price of a tank and you have the worry of it being damaged in transit
That said I bought one from Japan and it seems ok, I haven’t had it painted yet, I put in a strong premix in it and swilled it astound the drained it, I hope that does the job
We have to buy unseen too 99% of the time as most are overseas, if they aren’t they may as well be, as from one side of Aus to the other is 4500kms, we have to be real lucky to find one in our own neck of the woods
I bought some bits a while back and the guy gave me a tank, the lower half of the fuel cap is rattling around inside the tank and it has a few dings, so I will investigate a repair on it, either way the thing has to be opened to get the fuel cap out
It would be great to be able to get a repro tank here for the ypvs, as Norbo says to do so costs a packet and good on him for being able to get the LC’s done
Howard
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Post by plumma on Nov 4, 2017 3:13:26 GMT 1
There is no doubt the reproduction tank and panels are a god send for the lc bikes and I for one would love the same for the ypvs.
On another note who and how did the new reproduction tanks for the lc come about.
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