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Post by earthman on Oct 19, 2017 20:25:53 GMT 1
Since joining here, I've learnt that German LC's have their steering lock mounted on the frame, using a separate key to operate.
What was the main reason for this back in the day? Did the German government consider this style of lock to be more secure/harder to break than a conventionally placed ignition key/push down and turn lock?
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Post by skint on Oct 19, 2017 21:04:23 GMT 1
I have a German lc with its lock on the frame as you say but can also remember one of my old UK lc's with the lock there. Are they not all like that?
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Post by earthman on Oct 19, 2017 21:15:08 GMT 1
I have a German lc with its lock on the frame as you say but can also remember one of my old UK lc's with the lock there. Are they not all like that? Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, I'm pretty sure that both the LC's I owned back in the eighties had their steering lock operated via the ignition key. |
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Post by reedpete on Oct 19, 2017 21:22:32 GMT 1
It’s not really related to the ‘german spec’. All the Uk RD air-cooled bikes had the lock on the frame. It was the UK LC that had the lock,as part of the ignition...maybe seen as a bit more cosmopolitan...but turned out it made them much easier to nick! So not so smart after all.
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Post by skint on Oct 19, 2017 21:28:16 GMT 1
Must be my memory playing tricks then! I swear it was on w plate lc that I had. Maybe I'm confusing it with a 125 lc I owned??
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Post by earthman on Oct 19, 2017 21:37:15 GMT 1
It’s not really related to the ‘german spec’. All the Uk RD air-cooled bikes had the lock on the frame. It was the UK LC that had the lock,as part of the ignition...maybe seen as a bit more cosmopolitan...but turned out it made them much easier to nick! So not so smart after all. It just seems a bit odd to me and must have been a hassle for the Yamaha factory, that they had to fit a lock on some LC frames, was that mandatory for other European countries I wonder? All the UK motorcycles that I've owned over the years have had the steering lock on the ignition key. |
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Post by reedpete on Oct 19, 2017 21:58:36 GMT 1
You must have only owned bikes made from 1980 onwards then 😀
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Post by earthman on Oct 19, 2017 22:08:27 GMT 1
You must have only owned bikes made from 1980 onwards then 😀 Yes, pretty much.  |
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Post by bertiemollie on Oct 19, 2017 23:10:54 GMT 1
Must be my memory playing tricks then! I swear it was on w plate lc that I had. Maybe I'm confusing it with a 125 lc I owned?? 125lc steering lock is on the ignition too. |
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Post by JonW on Oct 20, 2017 3:11:32 GMT 1
Aussie bikes have ignition steer locks as well...
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Post by skint on Oct 20, 2017 5:58:36 GMT 1
Must be my memory playing tricks then! I swear it was on w plate lc that I had. Maybe I'm confusing it with a 125 lc I owned?? 125lc steering lock is on the ignition too. Then I'm losing it then :-) |
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Post by earthman on Oct 20, 2017 6:59:21 GMT 1
I'm guessing that the lock on the frame design may be slightly harder to pick just due to it's location but that's probably the last method a thief would try? Is either lock stronger than the other in general I'm wondering?
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Post by abar121 on Oct 20, 2017 17:19:43 GMT 1
Dunno, but it makes more sense that the poxy side stand.
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Post by reedpete on Oct 20, 2017 17:34:05 GMT 1
I'm guessing that the lock on the frame design may be slightly harder to pick just due to it's location but that's probably the last method a thief would try? Is either lock stronger than the other in general I'm wondering? It’s much stronger but much less convenient . the Uk setup just requires you to switch off and whilst your about it you can lock the steering. however unlike the frame lock which is really a deadlock into steering stem, the Uk one relies on that poxy bit on the headstock which doesn’t stand up well to the attention of a motivated thief. That along with other stupid aspects of the ignition lock make nicking a bike way to easy. |
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Post by earthman on Oct 20, 2017 17:39:18 GMT 1
Dunno, but it makes more sense that the poxy side stand. What don't you like about the side stand? |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 20, 2017 19:07:50 GMT 1
Oh the lovely flick up side stand 😠
Yes the UK steering lock on the ignition does mean you have to unlock before you can start but you'd have to be a Muppet to not realise the lock was still on before driving off
The German one is more secure than the ign locks on LC, lc2, and N/F
There is no metal shroud on the yoke and the early ignition tops were plastic so just more secure than the later alloy ones but not much.
Think you'll find that it's easier to defeat the ignition switch than break the lock on the headstock
Steve
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Post by mattybeckett on Oct 20, 2017 21:41:25 GMT 1
More secure in the day as it halted the flat blade screwdriver and hammer thieves and they could only ride away in circles  |
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Post by gsxrmarky on Oct 21, 2017 10:49:55 GMT 1
I have a German LC2 with the steering lock on the frame if that helps? lol
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 21, 2017 10:54:14 GMT 1
It must have been a UK specification as all the euro stuff had the lock on the stem
UK bikes on the switch
The other reason I think it was a UK requirement was that the n1 and F1 ypvs bikes were not supplied with a different frame to the UK so all had the lock on the headstock and were fitted with the lock on the switch
Twice the security
Steve
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