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Post by Norbo on Nov 9, 2016 10:09:47 GMT 1
Unfortunately over the years many people get there hand on the bikes and lots of people do stuff to the bikes, may not have been the bloke you got the bike from that did the bodge jobs. could be he did what he could and didn't know any better, and at the end of the day once its sold its sold. if it took ages to fined the problems could be the seller didn't know about them ether unless of course it was suposed to be a rebuilt bike and the build was done by the seller. Did you go and look and listen to the bike before perchance take it for a ride and were you happy at the time . A year later you cant really come back on the seller, you just have to put it down to experience if it was a bloke out the paper you wouldn't be knocking on his door a year later would you. Its a shame when bikes are not what we hoped they were thats why you should always go look at a bike listen to the bike and if possible ride the bike before any perchance if your happy with it then get it and if not then dont and move on and look at another..
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Post by Bertie Wooster on Nov 9, 2016 10:13:11 GMT 1
Guy rebuilt the bike was going to buy a another but he said mine better what better bodged the guy used e metal for Christ sake to hold a bolt in
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Nov 9, 2016 10:31:23 GMT 1
Buyer beware i'm afraid. And at the end of the day its over 30 years old and well out of warranty!
When buying an old bike, always factor in that something will go wrong or won't be 100% to your liking.
It wasn't me by the way.
Hope you get it sorted. I find these challenges as enjoyable as the riding at times. Bit wierd i know but thats me.
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Post by Bertie Wooster on Nov 9, 2016 10:49:29 GMT 1
Don't expect to find these things wrong when engine supposed to have been done put me off enjoying the bike
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Post by mags on Nov 9, 2016 12:19:43 GMT 1
Buyer beware i'm afraid. And at the end of the day its over 30 years old and well out of warranty! When buying an old bike, always factor in that something will go wrong or won't be 100% to your liking. It wasn't me by the way. Hope you get it sorted. I find these challenges as enjoyable as the riding at times. Bit wierd i know but thats me. Yes i think that may be the bottom line. I try and judge the seller as well as the product. What Norbo has said about the unknown origin of the bodges is also very important. I guess the seller was not the one to fully restore it? Did the advert make it clear what parts of the resto were done by the seller.As always the devil will be in the detail i guess |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 13:46:13 GMT 1
I understand you annoyance .. About 5 years ago i got a "set of Genuine 350lc pipes off an active member here.
Blew his trumpet how he imported 3 x German RD's and converted them into cash and a nice bike at the end of it..
Anyway after the pipes made it to Australia I knew i was Ripped off. They were German restricted 250lc pipes..
Naturally I never heard from him again. A real Fuc$ing F wit.
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Post by Norbo on Nov 9, 2016 22:03:33 GMT 1
I did see the vid on the face book page thats bad using liquid metal to fit a stud need s a helicoil really to do it right I dont know about any other things but that was a bit of a no no .
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Post by JonW on Nov 11, 2016 3:59:27 GMT 1
In the old days a Helicoil was something we only spoke of in hushed tones as only engineering shops had em and that meant exy bills... these days ebay has em for cheap.
Sadly you pay your money and take your choice, i doubt anyone is offering a warranty on a used or rebuilt LC these days.
Ive bought plenty of stuff from forumers and only come unstuck a couple of times, its the luck of the draw really, we are not all decent blokes and bessie mates, some of us are shysters and rip off merchants who see easy marks... be careful when buying (and selling) stuff. Other forums i use have a 'heros and villains' subforum where people put the user id of the person they dealt with in the title and 99.9% of the time they add the word 'hero' and in the text they say things like 'easy transaction, great seller' etc. Of course it's the .1% of the time that they are worth reading... Also... it's easy to search that kind of subforum and if you find 10+ bits of good news you get a feeling for the person you are thinking of dealing with. If you see the bad news, at least it will save you from a costly mistake.
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Post by mags on Nov 11, 2016 9:29:36 GMT 1
Yes. I was impressed on another thread how quickly the members here were able to spot the bad points on an ebay restoration. ITs a level of expertize that can only come with really knowing a subject. Smome members have already been very helpful to me so ty to all those here who are not rip off merchants and shysters!.
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Post by twostrokejoe on Nov 11, 2016 10:55:31 GMT 1
In all my years in bikes, the only one worth having is the one you rebuild yourself or buy from new. It's bad form finding hidden botch jobs. Watch out for the ones that could kill you. With the YPVS the frame cross member that supports the top of the rear shock has a pin hole for moisture drainage and when that gets blocked CAN cause the frame to rust internally. This particular flaw resulted in one of my friends spending 2 years in a wheelchair. If you are having your frame powder coated on return make sure that hole is clear or plug it before work is carried out. If you intend to act the teenager then consider bracing that part of the frame. Toonraider am sorry for your troubles but better for you to find out now and put this one in the book of life experiences. Keep your real friends close. Cheers.
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Post by mags on Nov 11, 2016 11:37:15 GMT 1
. Watch out for the ones that could kill you.
yes thats the real reality check! hope your mate is now mobile again Joe
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Post by twostrokejoe on Nov 11, 2016 12:00:35 GMT 1
Yes, he is back on bike again at 56. Not as fast. He bottomed out going over a hill at speed and the accident report indicated rust on the inside of the frame member supporting the rear shock causing it to partially bend at the drain hole and the rest is history. Something I am always conscious of when on a rebuild or buying a bike. Lift the saddle, get down on your knees, whatever it takes check it out. Can be a costly fix.
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Post by mags on Nov 11, 2016 17:28:10 GMT 1
That must have been a stomach churning moment . All power to him for riding again
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Post by Bertie Wooster on Nov 11, 2016 19:17:47 GMT 1
Update have a solicitors appointment next week to see how I stand bringing a civil case against him.have all down loads and information he said about bike who knows he could be on don't pay we take it away next year
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Post by fozzy17 on Nov 11, 2016 23:04:28 GMT 1
Update have a solicitors appointment next week to see how I stand bringing a civil case against him.have all down loads and information he said about bike who knows he could be on don't pay we take it away next year I can't see a solicitor doing anything, most are bought as seen when you buy the bike and walk away that's it, very little comeback if any, I think most of us at some stage have been burned |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 7:51:47 GMT 1
I really don't think you will get too far to be honest, your wallet will be lightened by the solicitor, and it's probably money better spent on fixing the bike
In Oz if you buy a second hand vehicle from a dealer you get some form of warranty, if you buy said vehicle via a private sale there is no comeback
I bought my LC2 privately, did all the tests we could legally do, the engine ran fine, what we didn't know and couldn't tell was that the oil pump was not set up properly insufficient oil was getting to the engine, you know the result, engine seizure
So I can sympathise with you, yes I talked to the seller without abuse but without that warranty I could get nowhere
The bike cost me $5000 and another $2000 to rebuild it was a lesson well learnt, as in I learnt so much about rebuilding a two stroke engine, yes I paid for the help as I'm no fully fledged mechanic, I know enough about mechanics to get me into trouble and out of it at the same time
The bike I rebuilt before that was a GS500, I sold it to a someone who subsequently rang me to say the engine had seized, feeling sorry for him I gave him some dollars to put towards his repair, not something I had to do legally but something that was the right thing to do he was appreciative of that, I did find out later he was trying to see how fast it would go - I wasn't happy with that however it was still the right thing for me to do
Your situation is now out in the public domain and I would say any chance of you getting some recompense from your posts will be long gone, presuming of course you haven't tried the non threatening method of asking as in not telling you want some recompence
Going down the legal way to take action may not be the best policy.as that will probably destroy any chance you had
We all sympathise with you as no doubt it's happened to a few people on here too
Could I suggest you move on repair the bike and enjoy it for what it is, I did and am still enjoying mine 3 years later, in fact I bought another in boxes and the thrill of the chase in the rebuild has begun again
We all wish you all the best either way
There are a few examples of people who have pi55ed others off on here, I have one too and a few people have been informed in private
Perhaps privately do the same for your friends on here
ATB
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Post by iwantalc on Nov 12, 2016 13:13:02 GMT 1
if it goes to court and the judge rules in other persons favour that the bike was sold as seen with no warranty offered you could end up with all court costs plus your solicitor fee's ,i would give this action a serious bit of thought, all the best with what ever you decide to do..
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Post by rigga on Nov 12, 2016 13:54:59 GMT 1
I feel sorry for the situation your in, but unless the seller spesificly stated, preferably in writing that the engine was built to original spec, with no problems, then I fear you will get nowhere, other than adding to your woes with court costs etc. It is really a case of caveat emptor.
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Post by Norbo on Nov 12, 2016 17:30:22 GMT 1
Its a shame that its not what you thought it was . Did you contact the seller soon after you got the bike home or it it like a year later after you have spent loads on it that your finely getting pissed of.
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Post by sparx on Nov 16, 2016 1:30:32 GMT 1
Sadly you pay your money and take your choice, i doubt anyone is offering a warranty on a used or rebuilt LC these days.
Ive bought plenty of stuff from forumers and only come unstuck a couple of times, its the luck of the draw really, we are not all decent blokes and bessie mates, some of us are shysters and rip off merchants who see easy marks... be careful when buying (and selling) stuff. Other forums i use have a 'heros and villains' subforum where people put the user id of the person they dealt with in the title and 99.9% of the time they add the word 'hero' and in the text they say things like 'easy transaction, great seller' etc. Of course it's the .1% of the time that they are worth reading... Also... it's easy to search that kind of subforum and if you find 10+ bits of good news you get a feeling for the person you are thinking of dealing with. If you see the bad news, at least it will save you from a costly mistake.[/quote][
Now that's an excellent idea
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Post by Bertie Wooster on Nov 16, 2016 7:42:56 GMT 1
Sadly you pay your money and take your choice, i doubt anyone is offering a warranty on a used or rebuilt LC these days. Ive bought plenty of stuff from forumers and only come unstuck a couple of times, its the luck of the draw really, we are not all decent blokes and bessie mates, some of us are shysters and rip off merchants who see easy marks... be careful when buying (and selling) stuff. Other forums i use have a 'heros and villains' subforum where people put the user id of the person they dealt with in the title and 99.9% of the time they add the word 'hero' and in the text they say things like 'easy transaction, great seller' etc. Of course it's the .1% of the time that they are worth reading... Also... it's easy to search that kind of subforum and if you find 10+ bits of good news you get a feeling for the person you are thinking of dealing with. If you see the bad news, at least it will save you from a costly mistake. [ Now that's an excellent idea [/quote] what's the forum you use with heroes and villains on I will stick his name on that |
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Post by veg on Nov 16, 2016 8:14:20 GMT 1
Word of advice when we post on forums we act as publishers and are subject to the same civil and criminal laws. If the person you are about to name can prove that they are/were innocent and in civil law it is the balance of probabilities. A lot lower burden of proof he could then sue you.
I have no idea who you are about to name and have no connection with them whoever they may be. Just thought I should point it. Defamation of character etc.
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Post by veg on Nov 16, 2016 8:17:09 GMT 1
Your evidence appears to be opinion rather than factual, unless you can prove e.g. You have hard evidence he would have known e.g. Advert stating he re built the engine etc
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Post by fozzy17 on Nov 16, 2016 8:25:22 GMT 1
anyone ever though maybe that he didn't know about the bodge with the alu weld, he may not of noticed, you mentioned you bought it last year on only now have pointed it out?
like I say I don't now who you bought it off and I don care either, he could of also known about it, as mentioned two sides to every story.
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Post by veg on Nov 16, 2016 9:41:31 GMT 1
I got shafted on the old LC site bought a rebuilt motor from a guy in West Brom did nothing with it for a year stripped it down and it was fecked contacted him he told me tough shite. I had to suck it up. I was pissed off and at the time well aware of laws and legislation around fraud, dishonesty etc and I knew I could do nowt about it.
Evidentially I could do nothing
So whether your man did or didn't it is down to you to prove he did and without evidence I'm afraid you can do very little
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Post by Bertie Wooster on Nov 16, 2016 19:18:02 GMT 1
anyone ever though maybe that he didn't know about the bodge with the alu weld, he may not of noticed, you mentioned you bought it last year on only now have pointed it out? like I say I don't now who you bought it off and I don care either, he could of also known about it, as mentioned two sides to every story. the guy rebuilt it so he knew even the clutch plates where original |
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Post by JonW on Nov 18, 2016 23:57:45 GMT 1
Sadly you pay your money and take your choice, i doubt anyone is offering a warranty on a used or rebuilt LC these days. Ive bought plenty of stuff from forumers and only come unstuck a couple of times, its the luck of the draw really, we are not all decent blokes and bessie mates, some of us are shysters and rip off merchants who see easy marks... be careful when buying (and selling) stuff. Other forums i use have a 'heros and villains' subforum where people put the user id of the person they dealt with in the title and 99.9% of the time they add the word 'hero' and in the text they say things like 'easy transaction, great seller' etc. Of course it's the .1% of the time that they are worth reading... Also... it's easy to search that kind of subforum and if you find 10+ bits of good news you get a feeling for the person you are thinking of dealing with. If you see the bad news, at least it will save you from a costly mistake. [ Now that's an excellent idea what's the forum you use with heroes and villains on I will stick his name on that It was me who said that stuff so dunno what happened with the quotes... the forum is a watch forum, not bike related. I was suggesting that it would be useful to have the same type of thing on here is all. |
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Post by Bertie Wooster on Nov 24, 2016 19:19:38 GMT 1
Yea would be a good idea wish 1 never heard of ....l.
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