Metmachex tz 350 for sale

[Trubrit]

Check it out ....


www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-RD-TZ-350-Cafe-Racer-/171106357223?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item27d6bbcfe7

[Ragger rd]

That is sweet

[Yogi]

Totally agree

[skydemon]

A lot of money though :-(

[rigga]

Now there's some thinking to do ...some say a 5k rebuilt lc is too much money, considering the amount of bespoke parts on these bikes, and we know the quality from the build thread .....would there be any questioning the price for these?

Too rich for me I have to say.

[kennyroberts]

I could buy an rc30 for that sort of cash......not sure why im worrying about it though. I dont have that sort of cash !

[copper99]

I like it but its not £15,000 worth of like...Ive seen far more interesting bikes , to me, on this forum.

[marsbar350]

ive seen some other 15k cost LCs in the flesh and they cant hold a torch to this bike
metmachex are a well respected engineering company.parts made by them 30 odd years ago.still fetch silly money
have a look at the rebuild thread of the bike on this forum
add all the costs up and ya aint making a killing at 15k

[Deleted]

There's a lot of work gone into that little beauty.

[icarus001]

Aug 28, 2013 23:05:57 GMT 1 marsbar350 said:

ive seen some other 15k cost LCs in the flesh and they cant hold a torch to this bike
metmachex are a well respected engineering company.parts made by them 30 odd years ago.still fetch silly money
have a look at the rebuild thread of the bike on this forum
add all the costs up and ya aint making a killing at 15k

Well its not my cup of tea at 15k but if others like it then fair play and good luck to him.

I'd be interested in any links to those 15k LC's you've seen, thats a hell of a lot of money to put into a 350LC (unless loads of it was labour costs).

[Norbo]

I thought it was up for sale for moment there . But he he id offering to build 2 more bikes the same and his bike is up as an example of what it will look like .

[Trubrit]

Aug 29, 2013 7:31:30 GMT 1 Norbo said:

Holly crap I cant believe Dean is selling this bike. I don't think he's even had time to do any riding on it . Its a hell of a bike but its going to need a very special person to pay that kind of money for it. Its right up my street thou I love it.

Its not his he is selling he is building two more to order ... Go on norbo your the only one i know with that sort of spare change lying about .......

[Norbo]

As usual I just looked at the pictures and didn't read a thing, but then I looked back and had a read so edited my reply. as I of may be but as 1 of 3 NO

[moveitdriver]

Hi ALL

Yep i'm doing 2 more bikes to sell on as we have had some interest in my bike (these 2 bikes mite not sell for 1 or 5 years but who knows).

Can i just fine line some of your comments?

The price for the bike is all the parts i have purchased and made, there is no labour times for dry building
Stripping back down then final build let alone all the thinking time in the bath, pub and asleep as this is a hobby for me.

You see a lot of second hand Metmachex arms on ebay for sale as I do watch them myself and it’s nice
To see that a lot still want them even more, sales in Swinging arms this year has been really good thanks to
Every one who has purchased, the price for parts are down to man hours, cost of CNC Machines, wages, bills,
Overheads…………

Back to the RDTZ 350

I seen a comment on another site that said it’s only got LC clocks, tank, plastics and frame, why is it a Classic RDLC?
Well that’s very true and well spotted.

Before I got the standard bike I had in my head how I wanted this bike to look, I’m glad to say its turned out exactly how I wanted it,
I didn’t need to go for the brembo’s all round at a cost of £2750.00 or R6 forks at £350 or TZ350 crank at £350 or TZ350 Primary gears at £250.00 a set, split Rims at £450.00, tyre’s at £130.00 a set or standing at a CNC miller for hour’s programming and machining the list goes on ……. But that’s how I wanted my bike to look.

You will be surprised how many are asking about the Dry clutch but same again you pay for what you get; I’ve sold 2 covers all ready.

The bike rides really well and its fun to ride and sound ace.

I’m so sorry if you don’t like my bike but I tried and life is an each to your own option.

Dean
Metmachex Eng

[icarus001]

Aug 29, 2013 9:19:51 GMT 1 moveitdriver said:

I’m so sorry if you don’t like my bike but I tried and life is an each to your own option.

Well like I said fair play to you, its not my cup of tea but as an engineer I like seeing anyone make something different so good luck with it.

Personally if I had an unlimited budget I'd like to make a superlight RD350LC, using carbon fibre, magnesium and titanium.
No doubt that would cost an arm and a leg and people would say it was too expensive, but like you said each to their own.

[Deleted]

You can't please everybody, Dean... Looks pretty damned good to me.

[moveitdriver]

My bike has Ti spindles and engine bolts all made here, carbon side panels also carbon rear end; the other 2 bikes will have all this also.

[muttsnuts]

its a nice bike and some superb engineering has gone into it, the problem is that a lot of people haven't a clue what goes into doing something like that. I know from personal experience that trying to charge for standing hours at a lathe making soemthing for someone is really hard, the cost of materials, cutting tools, electric, cutting fluid and the actual lathe generally add up to more than what people want to pay, let alone the labour cost.

Its the same with welding, bead blasting, spraying, metal fabrication etc etc, people so easily forget that without the right tools the job isn't going to get done right, but they baulk at the cost of paying towards the purchase cost and upkeep of these tools. My mate owns an engineering company and one of his CNC machines cost 1/2 million quid, on average he makes about £20 an hour profit from it, at that rate the machine will have to be working 25000 hours (1041 days, or 2.85yrs continuosly) before it turns a profit.

[moveitdriver]

Nice words Muttsnuts. :-)

[icarus001]

Aug 29, 2013 10:38:13 GMT 1 muttsnuts said:

its a nice bike and some superb engineering has gone into it, the problem is that a lot of people haven't a clue what goes into doing something like that. I know from personal experience that trying to charge for standing hours at a lathe making soemthing for someone is really hard, the cost of materials, cutting tools, electric, cutting fluid and the actual lathe generally add up to more than what people want to pay, let alone the labour cost.

Its the same with welding, bead blasting, spraying, metal fabrication etc etc, people so easily forget that without the right tools the job isn't going to get done right, but they baulk at the cost of paying towards the purchase cost and upkeep of these tools. My mate owns an engineering company and one of his CNC machines cost 1/2 million quid, on average he makes about £20 an hour profit from it, at that rate the machine will have to be working 25000 hours (1041 days, or 2.85yrs continuosly) before it turns a profit.

Agreed, and thats why I don't have my workshop guys making bolts or small parts, its cheaper to buy them in from someone who mass produces them.

If I made a single Range Rover and charged for parts and labour it would cost about a million quid, but LandRover make them for much less than a 10th of that because of volume.
Is a hand made Range Rover made by me worth a million quid to anyone? Probably not, so whilst the argument stacks up on paper and I agree with the philosophy of your above post a lot of engineering projects simply won't sell in reality.
In a nutshell thats my job, balancing commercial value against engineering cost, as well as considering risk, legal compliance, etc.

A idea I think might be interesting is a kit form exotic two stroke.
If you could get enough frames (titanium alloy anyone?) and engines and sell it as a kit to cut out labour costs then you might have a profitable venture. It seems to work for cars.

[kevsypvs]

hmm I can see loads of work has gone into it but 15 grand is a hoor of a lot of money in a recession , I paid 8 grand for a one owner rc30 a yr ago as it can only make money ive had offers of 12 grand but I wont sell at any price , not sure even with all the extras that the bike advertised above will hold its value at 15 grand to begin with, no offence it looks ace but not for me just my opinion

[moveitdriver]

if i was to of added 25% to all parts i got like we all do in business and labour cost the bike would be over 20K that’s why I’m not adding labour costs or 25% on. i run Metmachex now with my dad in the side line still but i still make these parts in my own time as these are my own projects.

[muttsnuts]

totally agree with all of the above, mass production keeps costs down, one off engineering exercises cost a fortune and very rarely make money. Personally I do most of what I do for the personal satisfaction of accompolishing it, in respect of making money, I'd be a very poor man if I relied purely on my motorbike work for a wage

its like anything, its worth what some one is prepared to pay for it, I have my MV, its worth, well what ever its worth, it cost me £16k new 11 years ago, but its 1 of 300, so what's it worth now, no idea, I bought it purely because I liked it and at the time I could afford it, it certainly wasn't bought as an investment, its done 12000 miles and I've enjoyed everyone of them, so even at a £1 a mile, it still owes me £4k !!, if you smoke or drink beer (I only do the latter), then sit down and work out how much you have spent on that over the years, its quiet frightening to be honest !

[icarus001]

Aug 29, 2013 11:35:15 GMT 1 moveitdriver said:

if i was to of added 25% to all parts i got like we all do in business and labour cost the bike would be over 20K that’s why I’m not adding labour costs or 25% on. i run Metmachex now with my dad in the side line still but i still make these parts in my own time as these are my own projects.

Same for anything mate, if I sold my LC based on labour costs (+ margin) then I'd want 10k for it, in reality I'd be lucky to get 3k for it.

The biggest cost for any business is labour, it costs the corner of the business I run a few hundred grand a month just for the boots on the ground before they've turned a screw. The rest is everything else on the deductions sheet and we're lucky if we turn around about 10% profit on a £5m+ business.

Obviously you're the man building the thing so you're best placed to give indicative costs but thats a lot of money in a bike and you should probably include more information in the advert, because what you've typed doesn't reflect 15k in parts at cost price with no labour. If I was pushed to make a snap judgement after a quick read I'd estimate a 40% margin (which FWIW is what we would probably put on parts at cost to us).

[moveitdriver]

Yeah I could add more for defo, it's hard to add every thing, I seen a comment about parts, you may see the rear sets are not made by me as this better to buy them from them who make them day and day out, I'd want around £600 for a set of one off rear sets, them on my bike was £240 ish and there just as nice as what I would make.

[copper99]

Thanks for coming on and explaining some more about the bike and its conception anyway Dean, hats off to you for doing that.

[Norbo]

I think most people love the bike, I do. Its just my kind of thing. For the time and effort and parts that go's in to this kind of a build its most likely going to get your money back. Its just 15K is still a lot of money I think for most people me included. most builds like this loos money when completed and sell for far less then the parts needed to build them but of course you are in Business and have to make something and that's were the price comes from you cant take the time and build the bike just for the love of it and loos money on it can you.

[paul8899]

Judging from the price and the amount of work that's gone into the bike Dean is doing it for the love of it , if he's making a grand over trade price on each bike I'd be surprised.

If you take the calipers ( if they are the proper racing calipers ), the retail on those are around £4k so he's £1250 down straight away, like he said if he was to charge the proper price it would be well over £20k so he's looking at a minimum loss of £5k over retail. God knows how much those wheels would cost to get made but I'd be surprised if you saw much change out of £5k , the yokes around a grand , the side cover about the same. So if you were paying retail price your up to £11-12k for a set of wheels, calipers , yokes and a side cover.

Just as an example the rear mount I made for my tzr took around 35hrs to produce and the material cost was just under £100 , so the cost (retail) to make that would be around £1500. If you had a batch of 5 made you'd still be looking at around a grand each ( 15hrs design/programming time , 85hrs machine time , 10hrs setting up plus material ). That is if you could find somewhere that would do the job as there's easier ways to make money with a cnc mill.

If you compare these to that rd500 abe replica that sold on ebay the other month for £13600 this is an absolute bargain.

Don't forget that these bikes are a rolling showcase for Metmachex's work and jolly nice they are

[icarus001]

Aug 30, 2013 14:47:43 GMT 1 paul8899 said:

Judging from the price and the amount of work that's gone into the bike Dean is doing it for the love of it , if he's making a grand over trade price on each bike I'd be surprised.

If you take the calipers ( if they are the proper racing calipers ), the retail on those are around £4k so he's £1250 down straight away, like he said if he was to charge the proper price it would be well over £20k so he's looking at a minimum loss of £5k over retail. God knows how much those wheels would cost to get made but I'd be surprised if you saw much change out of £5k , the yokes around a grand , the side cover about the same. So if you were paying retail price your up to £11-12k for a set of wheels, calipers , yokes and a side cover.

Just as an example the rear mount I made for my tzr took around 35hrs to produce and the material cost was just under £100 , so the cost (retail) to make that would be around £1500. If you had a batch of 5 made you'd still be looking at around a grand each ( 15hrs design/programming time , 85hrs machine time , 10hrs setting up plus material ). That is if you could find somewhere that would do the job as there's easier ways to make money with a cnc mill.

If you compare these to that rd500 abe replica that sold on ebay the other month for £13600 this is an absolute bargain.

Don't forget that these bikes are a rolling showcase for Metmachex's work and jolly nice they are

5K for the wheels?
You could have them made in carbon fibre and polished by virgins while they feed you grapes for that!!

[moveitdriver]

A set of wheels we charge are 2 1/2 £1500 rear £1000 front but my rear wheel as loads more time in it so that would be £2000, I make wheels, yokes all the time for customers, yokes start at 700 up to 1000. Times money in any company