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Post by muttsnuts on Jun 21, 2013 9:18:09 GMT 1
your point about making a list of parts to avoid when doing repairs/resto's etc is something I was thinking about too.
As regards its the customers responsibility, actually its not, under trsding laws you can't sell something that isn't "fit for purpose", so if something fails within what is considered an unacceptable period of time then the onus is on the trader, not the customer, however, that then relies on the customers going back and complaining etc, what it doesn't allow for, or compensate is the additional costs incurred, e.g. engine removal, strip and rebuild, refit, so the trader could be made to refund the cost of the seals, but not the costs of having to replace their sh*te with a proper part.
I simply posted this up originally as "buyer beware" type thing, I know others who have used Yambits seals quiet successfully, however, if you compare a Yambits seal against a genuine Yamaha one there is a country mile difference, the stiffness in the lips on a Gen Yam seal is about 10 times that of Yambits seals, once you've done the comparison, you'd never use a Yambits seal again - if you have both to hand, check them, you will see what I mean
There are other parts like throttle cables (had lots of issues with them), fuel line (goes hard, cracks, leaks, decaying etc), and many others, however, if you take the bad ones against the amount of stuff they stock/sell, then to be fair its not a bad hit ratio and lets face it, it would be a helluva lot deaer to repair etc without them.
I always check wtih Norbo and Granbys first for parts, if no luck then I go to Yambits and ebay as a last resort, the snag is that people don't like to pay for the better parts, they see the cost of Yambits stuff and expect to get stuff for that price, so telling them that agenuine throttle cable is £75/£80 and Yambits are £12 or the likes, then you can se the problem, its a hard sell to be honest
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Post by garry1366 on Jun 21, 2013 21:42:47 GMT 1
Err anyone want to buy an unused set of yambits seals? ?
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taffyhall
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Post by taffyhall on Jul 6, 2013 8:48:07 GMT 1
Finished a year long re-build, 3 miles later crank oil seal gone (white smoke on right side etc)...yes yambits again. Will be starting engine strip down today, which is going to be one of the hottest days of the year sofar! to say I'm p*ssed off is a bit of an under statement...Lesson learnt- use gen parts for major engine rebuild.
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Post by muttsnuts on Jul 6, 2013 17:27:01 GMT 1
Finished a year long re-build, 3 miles later crank oil seal gone (white smoke on right side etc)...yes yambits again. Will be starting engine strip down today, which is going to be one of the hottest days of the year sofar! to say I'm p*ssed off is a bit of an under statement...Lesson learnt- use gen parts for major engine rebuild. oh man, I feel for you, that's a right pisser, get your seals from Norbo, that way you know they are right, or Mr Yamaha of course as well, but don't use pattern parts, its not worth it, hope you get it all sorted
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Post by Denzil on Jul 6, 2013 19:47:09 GMT 1
Oh dear taffyhall I feel for you fella. Same problem as me, spent a great deal amount of time and money putting It together less them a mile in white smoke and no gearbox oil left in it. After engine out again crank seal was split on the lips. I emailed Yambits and they sent me a Gen Yam one in Yambits bag? ? Did tell them I won't be ever using them again. But they weren't bothered as said its your decision. I'm with Mutts on this one as after buying Genuine seals from Norbo the difference is massive. A bit like Lidl's extra extra value toilet paper compared to Andrex stuff same product but miles apart in quality and as Mutts as said the amount of time cost effort to replace it, it just is not worth it. genuine all the way.
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Post by taffyhall on Jul 6, 2013 20:44:18 GMT 1
Thanks Lads, stripped engine- oil seal split the inner wire snapped and laying in the side case! will sort out an order with norbo this weekend,should be one the road for next weekend. lets hope the weather stays good....yes its a lesson learnt- done skimp on the quality.. Like your comparrison with the toilet paper- you ain't going to catch me again with shitty fingers!!!.
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Post by alext on Jul 6, 2013 20:48:59 GMT 1
I have a set of unused 4l0 crank seals I got off Norbo earlier this year - my problem thankfully wasnt the seals.
£18 incl post to any uk destination.
was going to keep them, but this thread seems to imply thats a bad idea.
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Post by molegripper on Jul 28, 2013 16:55:47 GMT 1
I asked a question about oil getting pushed out of the breather yesterday. After someone pointed me at this thread I spent today stripping my engine. Guess what I found... Needless to say I will be now after the genuine items...and am now unlikely to use Yambits again. This seal lasted 150 miles...
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Post by kevsypvs on Jul 28, 2013 17:12:28 GMT 1
had the same problems on a fizzy engine I rebuilt using yambits stuff hard and cracked seals after 6 months , I wouldent touch them again , genuine bits from norbos a must
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Post by muttsnuts on Jul 28, 2013 17:21:50 GMT 1
yup totally agree, all the failures look identical as well, thing is, you let Yambits know and they aren't interested, only way to hit it home to them is tell as many people as possible to either not buy them or be aware that they are likely to fail
wonder how many bikes have suffered the same fate in the past 12 mths, must be loads at a guess and the cost to repair is not small beer either
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Post by wallcraft on Jul 28, 2013 18:05:12 GMT 1
Glad you researched the thread and found your ansewer.
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Post by arrow on Jul 28, 2013 18:32:57 GMT 1
Those seals should be withdrawn from the market,it's really taking the piss now Strongly agree.
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Post by oldelsieboy on Jul 28, 2013 18:48:22 GMT 1
Those seals should be withdrawn from the market,it's really taking the piss now Strongly agree. Surely if you can all prove that the seals were supplied by the same retailer there would be a good case for some sort of compensation for engine rebuild costs. OEB
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Post by Delbert on Jul 28, 2013 19:41:21 GMT 1
Surely if you can all prove that the seals were supplied by the same retailer there would be a good case for some sort of compensation for engine rebuild costs. OEB[/quote} Agree ,, but as in most cases the retailer sends them back to the manufacture who then after weeks and weeks of c**king you about then come to the conclusion they were fitted wrong , case closed .. they get round it like this all the time
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Post by justyr on Jul 29, 2013 11:56:13 GMT 1
Yeah I sent stuff back to Yambits - black hole. They never contacted me again and ignored my emails. Seal fiasco cost me around £600. Best just to stick with what Norbo supplies as it's based on enthusiast experience. IMO.
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Post by oldelsieboy on Jul 29, 2013 12:54:10 GMT 1
Yeah I sent stuff back to Yambits - black hole. They never contacted me again and ignored my emails. Seal fiasco cost me around £600. Then maybe a call to trading standards would be in order. OEB
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Post by taffyhall on Aug 10, 2013 17:19:35 GMT 1
Contacted Yambits with a snotty e-mail after my crank oil-seal decided to shred itself after 3 miles, they sent one back saying that they have changed there supplyer of pattened oil-seal kits to ARS Japan (who?) and they sent me 2 oil-seal kits and a gasket set as some form of compo!, still got new seals from Norbo though. Maybe up for swapping a oil seal kit for a cadbury's cream egg....or am I asking to much...
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Post by tygertung on Aug 12, 2013 9:30:33 GMT 1
There should be a 'Macro' button on your camera, if you push that it will give you a good sharp close up image. Often it looks like a flower with a magnefying glass.
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Post by stanlc7189 on Aug 13, 2013 23:13:47 GMT 1
Christ! I'm seriously worried now. I'm sure I fitted seals from Yambits when I re-built my engine 2 years and 1500 miles ago. No problems so far but is it a ticking time bomb? To be fair to Yambits, their service is unbelievably quick. A few months ago I ordered a float valve kit due to a serious MOT failing fuel leak. The parts arrived the following morning. Yesterday I discovered broken baffles in some original pipes I'm refurbishing and ordered some new ones at around 11am. Got them this morning. Their oil lines are crap though. Totally hard at the union end and impossible to refit cold. I had to use a hot air gun to get the lines soft so I could re-fit them. Yambits do have some plus points, but maybe should be avoided for seals and other critical parts. I notice they are selling 'brand new' cranks, not reconditioned ones. Anyone had one off them?
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