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Post by LC_BOTT on Mar 17, 2013 12:18:07 GMT 1
Got some tyres that are new but think the date is '4103' on them (can't find any other relevant markings)
Should I use or bin them, (seems a bit pointless and expensive to me) some guys say mustn't have older than three years some around five. Does it really matter?
I would assume with the mileages most bikes do after a restore, a lot of them must be ten years or older by now.
Not going to ride like a nutter and no trackdays either???
How many of you inspect dates after ordering, or fitting a new set of tyres anyway??
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Post by mentalist on Mar 17, 2013 12:36:37 GMT 1
So there week 41 2003, ten years old mate,
If recently just bought from a dealer i'd be taking them back.
Weather they where cheap or not, i'd be paying the extra for a NEW set, not NOS.
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Post by Yogi on Mar 17, 2013 13:56:25 GMT 1
Take em back, there not worth the risk,unless there just for show
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Post by LC_BOTT on Mar 17, 2013 15:10:50 GMT 1
had them ages, bought for a bike I sold a few years ago, they feel ok, might stick em on fleabay for a few ££. pity, as it's just the right size for the R1-Z front
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Post by flames on Mar 17, 2013 15:15:41 GMT 1
my tyres are over 20 yrs old.i keep killing my motor tho,so havent been able to put any serious miles on em yet.
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Post by bare on Mar 19, 2013 2:41:22 GMT 1
Un effing believable Sell them on ?? So some 'other' naive dolt can fall off his bike as result of the tires he just stupidly bought are complete timed out Crap. There are date stamps on tires for.. genuine... reason. For Shame.
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Post by ianr4863 on Mar 19, 2013 12:10:23 GMT 1
Ive bought various bikes / wheels over the past couple of years . One of my first jobs is to bin the tyres and get new ones . There is no way that I would risk my neck for less than £200 .
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Post by nitronik on Mar 19, 2013 13:53:19 GMT 1
Bin them and defiantly don't sell them or even give them to someone else... They're shot and you or someone else would find this out to what may be a great cost.
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Post by LC_BOTT on Mar 19, 2013 17:44:51 GMT 1
Some 'interesting' answers, but no ones answered the questions yet, how old are your tyres and do you send them back when you have some fitted that are a few years old (how many know about the date stamp??) would you just rip off the tyres on your own personal bike after a few years if not worn out??? doubt this very much
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Post by flames on Mar 19, 2013 18:06:07 GMT 1
i answered one q......my tyres are over 20 yrs old.well,been fitted on my rims over 20 yrs.avent checked a date stamp.didnt know they had them.
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Post by theodoric on Mar 23, 2013 1:57:31 GMT 1
I had a near fatal almost two years ago and the tyres on my other bike were fitted less than 6 months before the accident and having set my trip meter when fitting them they have covered just 971miles but as the bike has not been used in almost 2 years I will fit a new pair before I ride it again. As others have mentioned I would not take any risks with what is your only contact with the road for the sake of a few £''s
It's your call at the end of the day and I'm sure there is no legal reason you can't use them but just consider if your involved in an accident, your fault or third parties fault an insurance company "could" (not guaranteed they would) invalidate your insurance or consider you at fault because your tyres were considered "unfit for purpose"
Just a thought to ponder on. My advice would be bin them.
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Post by iainw on Mar 24, 2013 16:37:39 GMT 1
Tyres don’t just spin around, they are subject to incredible forces. If you consider a bike travelling at a constant 50mph in a straight line then the front wheel axel will also be travelling at 50mph. There is a small contact patch of rubber on the ground, this is stationary, and therefore the top of the tyre will be moving twice as fast as the bike, 100mph! So that small patch of rubber stuck to the ground will, in the distance covered by one revolution of the wheel, about 2 meters, accelerate from stationary to 100mph in 1 metre and then decelerate to a stop in the next metre. Think of the tyre being made up of many small sections, each section will be suffering different forces during one revolution and the tyre will be trying to pull itself apart. Hard braking, acceleration and cornering will make life even tougher for the tyre.
A tyre with cuts, cracks, perished rubber, or one that has been stood deflated on the same flat spot for a year or two is likely going to fail.
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Post by Splodge on Mar 24, 2013 19:22:38 GMT 1
I can see both sides of this debate, but if your tyres are actually 'out of date' why have I never heard of ...... 1. An MOT failure or an advisory note 2. An insurance company not paying out 3. Mr plod giving out a fixed penalty or warning 4. Any one actually falling off thier bike under normal road conditions ......just because thier tyres are 'too old' if any one knows of any actual cases please enlighten us all PS. that does not mean your mate using the 'old tyre' excuse because they were riding like a t**t in the pouring rain either!
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Post by twostroker on Mar 24, 2013 20:55:59 GMT 1
I'm sure when Tyre wholesalers do there special offers there Tyre's have been sitting around for a while. i brought 4x 205/55/16s for my car for £50 each (trade) 2 years ago and all 4 perished within 6-9 months and now there 2 years old id say there approaching there end even tho the tread is good. yes there well passed there best butt as i only drive like a pensioner and hardly do any miles I'm in no rush to buy 4 new ones .....
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Post by iainw on Mar 25, 2013 14:41:19 GMT 1
I can see both sides of this debate, but if your tyres are actually 'out of date' why have I never heard of ...... 1. An MOT failure or an advisory note 2. An insurance company not paying out 3. Mr plod giving out a fixed penalty or warning 4. Any one actually falling off thier bike under normal road conditions ......just because thier tyres are 'too old' if any one knows of any actual cases please enlighten us all PS. that does not mean your mate using the 'old tyre' excuse because they were riding like a t**t in the pouring rain either! Hi Splodge, just to give my opinion on your points... ;D 1. MOT on tyres only looks at... Tyres must be compatible, suitable for road use and, if fitted with a direction arrow, fitted to spin in the direction of forward wheel rotation. Tyres will be checked for tread depth and condition as well as sidewall condition.... Nothing about a date in there so no reason to fail a ten year old tyre if it meets these. 2. The date issue is not a legal requirement so why would they not pay out. There isn't a set time period when a tyre can be unsuitable for use. 'Old tyres' is a vague statement. 3. There isn't a time period after which a tyre become illegal. You'll maybe not be surprised by how many police offices do not know every motoring law. My daughter is a Special and I was having a look at her book of fixed penalty notices, there is one regarding the side stand on a motorcylce, she didn't know what it was and she later asked her seargent who also didn't know. I've sent her on a mission to find out. 4. When I was young and had little sense I had a 3Ltr Capri which I drove around as if the car and myself were indistructable. Once on a run down the motorway there was a loud bang under the body and the car started to shake, a lump of tread, about 4x2 inches across had let go, it wasn't a relatively new tyre. I wouldn't want that to happen on a bike! cheers, Iain
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Post by Splodge on Mar 25, 2013 21:42:58 GMT 1
Ian I think most people are quite aware of the legal side of things and weather a tyre is fit for highway use judging by the general condition of their tyres but the whole point of my post was to ask any one if they had actually heard of any one who have fell victim to any of my four points due to having "old tyres" fitted to their bike as I personally have not in all the years I've been riding ? In an ideal world we would all change our tyres, helmets and even some of our bikes well before we actually do but the reality is we don't!
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Post by steve h on Mar 25, 2013 23:10:18 GMT 1
If I had to, I would sooner ride on 10yr old tyres that had been kept in perfect storage conditions, rather than 1yr old ones that had been stored in the poorest conditions. Interestingly Yokohama recommend that there shouldn't be any ozone producing electric motors in the vicinity. Regarding helmets, has anyone ever done any tests on 6yr old + helmets? I doubt any manufacturers have. It may be that the lid you've looked after for 6yrs may be capable of doing its job for a site lot longer than six yrs! The 1st Arai I bought secondhand in 95 is still a snug fit.
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Post by theodoric on Mar 26, 2013 17:29:39 GMT 1
By the look of the replies it's up to you if you use them or not. What's good for one isn't necessarily good for the other. Personally I'd say bin them. Why be the first person that finds out the hard way that 10 year old tyres are not really that good? Unless of course you want to be the first? in which case crack on.
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Post by crash on Mar 26, 2013 18:53:16 GMT 1
would now be a bad time to mention i have a part worn rear tyre for sale?
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Post by flames on Mar 26, 2013 19:03:28 GMT 1
perfik timing mefinx.
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Post by Delbert on Mar 26, 2013 19:13:05 GMT 1
Its a bit like asking if you all change oe brake hoses and master seals etc every two years like the manuals state the tyres on my lc are old but in fair condition for the use it gets May be a different story on my ltr fz1 though .
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Post by kostas on Mar 26, 2013 20:57:19 GMT 1
Now tyres are what keeps you upright so I would pay attention, Storage conditions are the most important variable, away from sunlight, stored upright and away from ozone sources, as someone said before.
I got my bike and has 4 year old tyres that have done less the 300 miles, will keep those and reuse as they still look soft and flexible.
Kostas
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Post by billy on Mar 27, 2013 17:47:03 GMT 1
My 350 front tire is from 1982 LMAO.. I never push that tire to it's limits though (or.... well, I try to avoid it anyway), it even slips on the wet asphalt when braking. And bare in mind, my front brake sucks, it absolutely SUCKS. I can't even lock the front wheel on packed gravel if I try to. ;D
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Post by flames on Mar 27, 2013 18:36:37 GMT 1
sounds to me your tyres and brakes are crap.......however you are still with us.considering your tyres and brakes are bad,your riding must be spot on.
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Post by Haggler on Apr 4, 2013 19:36:13 GMT 1
Got my Kettle with what looked like brand new tyres on it, was a bit suspicious as Pirelli Phantoms had not been about for years. Being a tight wad thought they would be ok Me and the wife had a weekend in Chatham and on way back reversed the kettle into the central reservation at 70 mph. Luckily walked away and the cause was Hence will only use known tyres, it's a personal choice mind
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Post by flames on Apr 4, 2013 19:43:44 GMT 1
jesus wept!!!!! glad you came out unscathed dude.
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Post by Haggler on Apr 4, 2013 19:48:39 GMT 1
Twas a little exciting and mrs bust her wrist but we counted ourselves a bit fortunate. That's why the kettle now tuns bandit wheels with radials coz punctures are a bit more managable lol
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Post by billy on Apr 6, 2013 5:13:46 GMT 1
Hence will only use known tyres, it's a personal choice mind Dayamn! That's crazy, how can rubber just crack all unexpectedly like that? Are you sure you didn't hit something sharp?
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Post by Haggler on Apr 6, 2013 9:25:51 GMT 1
I thought the same but could not see anything at scene but also would that destroy the cords, I think was dodgey tyre
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Post by mervin on Apr 6, 2013 16:28:02 GMT 1
TBH on the trucks we retread the shells once maybe even twice, and they sit around , i have used tyres that are a few years old and never had a problem, i would rather a few years old decent tyre than an new Diyung ditchfinder chinese tyre
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