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Aug 2, 2021 22:48:45 GMT 1
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Post by fozzy17 on Aug 2, 2021 22:48:45 GMT 1
Complete motors, I had a search on eBay earlier and two 350 motors one 2k the other 2-5k what are ypvs motors fetching now?
The world's gone mad
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 3, 2021 7:22:34 GMT 1
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Post by muttsnuts on Aug 3, 2021 7:42:44 GMT 1
yeah, and I was after £1200 for a motor I have only a few months back, but no takers, so I've decided to keep it and use it in a future project, as Dusty says, the way things are going its getting very hard to build half decent strokers now with a sensible budget
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Post by JonW on Aug 3, 2021 9:07:46 GMT 1
The UK has gone RD mad... :/ Its getting that way here tho... has to be said. The days of these being cheap fun are long over sadly
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Aug 3, 2021 10:56:11 GMT 1
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Post by veg on Aug 3, 2021 10:56:11 GMT 1
Bloody hell, I’m just glad I bought my latest project main bits couple of years ago, and it was only 2016 when I bought my last complete bike a 20000 mile import std 4L0 and thought that was expensive at £2500, yep days of cheap fun long gone sadly. It doesn’t make me feel better that they are now worth so much more because what will I replace them with if I decided to sell? I’m guessing the next big rises will be late 80’s early 90’s ujm?
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Post by steve h on Aug 3, 2021 11:03:51 GMT 1
Hurry and buy that GPZ900 folks... peanuts compared with a knacked smelly old 2t. Dont think my very clean cbr1000 will ever be worth anything, I maybe should of swopped it for a CB200 with a brown seat, from an "investment" point of view....
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Post by cb250g5 on Aug 3, 2021 13:42:18 GMT 1
I'm guessing I won't ever get another valve, tatty but MOT'd & running for £400. He even delivered it to my door for free. Still riding it today, but with a few alterations....
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Aug 3, 2021 16:27:51 GMT 1
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Aug 3, 2021 16:27:51 GMT 1
Hurry and buy that GPZ900 folks... peanuts compared with a knacked smelly old 2t. Dont think my very clean cbr1000 will ever be worth anything, I maybe should of swopped it for a CB200 with a brown seat, from an "investment" point of view.... I'm tempted by a GPZ. Had a turbo years ago but they are daft money now so may go for an 1100 The 900 would be an option too 🤔 I have one more ypvs to build but that is way off. Only gathered parts as I could see the way in was going Steve
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Post by Tobyjugs on Aug 4, 2021 17:07:48 GMT 1
Hurry and buy that GPZ900 folks... peanuts compared with a knacked smelly old 2t. Dont think my very clean cbr1000 will ever be worth anything, I maybe should of swopped it for a CB200 with a brown seat, from an "investment" point of view.... I'm tempted by a GPZ. Had a turbo years ago but they are daft money now so may go for an 1100 The 900 would be an option too 🤔 I have one more ypvs to build but that is way off. Only gathered parts as I could see the way in was going Steve GPZ 900's are very cheap in Holland.
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Aug 5, 2021 1:09:34 GMT 1
Post by JonW on Aug 5, 2021 1:09:34 GMT 1
I do think we need to consider what projects to do next, I know im always looking and planning... the days of RD builds does seem to be almost over.
Id quite like a 900 Ninja, but am thinking leapfrogging another 10 years might be more sensible for parts supply and 'project longevity'. hmm... we are back to the ZX9R we were talking about 18months back. hmm...
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Post by reedpete on Aug 5, 2021 3:12:43 GMT 1
I’m always looking and planning too...oh and buying....just seem always short on the doing ! My head tells me I already have way to many to see me out...my heart tells me there’s no such thing as way too many 🙈
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Aug 5, 2021 3:25:26 GMT 1
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Post by brg1200 on Aug 5, 2021 3:25:26 GMT 1
I was going to say something similar Jon, the 2 strokes have become unaffordable. Have had the opportunity to collect liads of them for relative peanuts over the years, but married with kids snd a mortgage made it too hard to gain understanding/approval from wife. Seems like folly NOT to have done so now.
SO, what do we all pick up for “cheap” fun now? The good stuff presumably has an equivalent fan club.
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Aug 5, 2021 4:35:44 GMT 1
Post by JonW on Aug 5, 2021 4:35:44 GMT 1
The good stuff presumably has an equivalent fan club. So long as we all get the same new machine to work on, we'll just get norbo to find some parts to sell and add that bike in here Agreed on your assessment that you did right buying when you did.
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 5, 2021 8:02:17 GMT 1
I feel you really need to have a connection with any bike you intend to restore. Whether it's a bike from your youth that you once owned, or an icon that was always out of reach, whatever you buy needs to "click" with you. I've done a few big diesels over the years = slabbie Gixxers were a favourite, but I made a big mistake with an Exup Fzr1000. Looked great, but as soon as I started tearing it down I realised I didn't love it enough to see it through. I was going on other peeps love for these bikes rather than my own, and great as they are, they dont hold the attraction for me that I thought I would find I sold it on, half done and never regretted doing so. Whilst I had it I had picked up a spare engine, complete, for £70 !! I started stripping it down to learn from it, and quickly realised just how complicated these motors are compared to a 2 stroke twin, and the realisation of service costs, parts etc helped make the decision that the bike wasn't for me, as I simply couldn't afford the running costs at the time. All my bikes/rebuilds are funded by selling the bike before it, so the aircooled project that is just about done was funded by the sale of my orange Lc hybrid, the Cafe racer bike was funded by the sale of the red/white Lc hybrid etc. When the sale funds run out, the building stops. It sets a budget that I have to stick to. But, I feel now that if I were to sell the 400 - and I have no idea of it's worth as there aren't too many hybrid aircooleds to reference, I'm pretty sure I couldn't find a project Lc/Pv/Rd and have enough left for parts and services. Any decent stroker build is going to be 10k plus now, but with rough donors starting at 5 and 6k rather than 3 or 4k there just isn't enough in the pot left over. I often look at ebay and search random bikes that resonate with me, but I still come back to Lc's and Pv's and Rd's. They landed at just the right time in my life to leave an indelible mark that just cant be matched. The sad part is these bikes were meant to be cheap bikes for the masses. Now they have become very expensive bikes for the few. It does non of us any favours to see the prices going stratospheric, and will ultimately kill the scene for a lot of enthusiasts Dusty
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Post by cb250g5 on Aug 5, 2021 8:48:46 GMT 1
I'm doing an early 80's KE 125. £600 as a tatty runner, plenty of parts available and prices seem reasonable still.
Going to take years at the current rate of progress though.
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Aug 5, 2021 11:17:03 GMT 1
Post by Chewie01 on Aug 5, 2021 11:17:03 GMT 1
I can't help but think that everything is relative. In the past tatty bikes and parts were cheap, but the completed bikes were also not worth that much. Whereas today tatty bikes and parts are expensive, but a finished bike sells for nose bleeding values. I think the main issue we are seeing is the shock to the system because of the speed in which the market has changed.
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Aug 5, 2021 11:52:06 GMT 1
Post by Robbieben on Aug 5, 2021 11:52:06 GMT 1
I've rebuilt quite a few bikes over the last 10 years, mostly early 80's 4 strokes which even now can be picked up for very little money and leave a handsome profit once you sell them on. The 2 stroke market is very attractive to those of us that owned them in our youth, most of us now have more disposable income which drives up the prices, these bikes in my eyes are keepers as they really are a money pit in comparison to the early 4 strokes. I recently rebuilt a 1977 GT750B which cost me a fair chunk to buy in comparison to buying a CB750 or GS750. it also cost an awful lot more to rebuild. My GT750 stands me at £12k although I have been offered £18.5k to part with it. My next project is the 31K bitsa that will become a Hybrid. This bike I managed to get at a sensible price but the intention is to make a nice Special how I want it so it will be an expensive build but again I intend to keep it. I have other projects that are comparitively cheap investments for reasonable return which will pay for it.
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Post by steve63 on Aug 5, 2021 13:03:38 GMT 1
I was going to say something similar Jon, the 2 strokes have become unaffordable. Have had the opportunity to collect liads of them for relative peanuts over the years, but married with kids snd a mortgage made it too hard to gain understanding/approval from wife. Seems like folly NOT to have done so now. SO, what do we all pick up for “cheap” fun now? The good stuff presumably has an equivalent fan club. 600's are about the best value I would say, GSXR SRAD's, ZXR's, CBR's etc. but they're on the up. A mate of mine got a 600 SRAD for £400 recently but they guy originally wanted £1600. He also picked up an FZR600 fox eye for £1000. Both were MOT'd within days. The FZR was in lovely condition. The 400's used to be quite cheap but they've moved up a lot. I went to a guys house to buy a metal detector of all things. In his garden through the patio doors was a CBR400RR. Unfortunately he knew exactly what it was and how much it was worth now. 3 or 4 years ago it would have been an under a £1000 bike but not now. He turned out to have a few nice bikes
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Post by jon on Aug 5, 2021 18:17:15 GMT 1
I do think we need to consider what projects to do next, I know im always looking and planning... the days of RD builds does seem to be almost over. Id quite like a 900 Ninja, but am thinking leapfrogging another 10 years might be more sensible for parts supply and 'project longevity'. hmm... we are back to the ZX9R we were talking about 18months back. hmm... I said this a little while back. Parts have dried up over the last few years, and what’s left has increased in price dramatically. rdlccrazy.proboards.com/post/518542/threadThis may lead to most of us not selling what they have like the past, which in turn will inflate prices even more as scarcity of parts/bikes increases. This is probably what been slowly happening the last few years? Jon
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Post by donkeychomp on Aug 5, 2021 21:34:28 GMT 1
Every evening I look at project bikes on eBay. Most are either overpriced or beyond any economical repair. I did see a slabby GSXR750 and was contemplating a bid. This was complete and a runner and sold for just over a grand. Really wished I'd had a punt on that. So there are some diesels out there at a good price, but not many. Like Dusty said, they are very complicated compared to a two stroke, and unless you love them, a resto is a pointless. You'll soon get bored with it. I'm just happy to have my LC to finish. And the little RD60. But when they are done...then what?
Alex
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Post by JonW on Aug 6, 2021 5:34:43 GMT 1
I agree that you need to really love a bike you are restoring. Its not like you can just nip down the dealer for parts for the stuff that we do, assuming you could afford their prices. The work we do demands a lot more time and effort to get the parts and then do the work to fit them, often restoring other parts in the process. You will not be able to do that for a project you dont love as you wont be 'all in'.
The rising price of used parts is a factor not only of the sales prices of done bikes, but also those buying the bottom of the barrel bikes to strip. When those bikes are cheap, parts remain cheap. But when the cost of those is no longer cheap the people who strip them to feed the used spares market need to up prices to get their money back. That 'vehicle price' has always been a problem for used spares here in Aus as even when well used our vehicles hold their value so parts from stripped vehicles are very pricey. Eg. About 10 years back I needed an Alfa gearbox, here they were about 900 quid from a breakers as a used and broken car started at £2.5k, in the uk those cars were <£200. So, in the UK the same gearbox, but with less miles and in better nick was £150. Even with another £150 of post i was quids in buying from the uk. Tho the guy sent the wrong 'box but thats another story for another day... lol
Of course all markets are subtly different. A few years ago the UK was awash with parts and they were much cheaper and more readily available than almost anywhere else in the world. The USA and Canada were super cheap for bikes and parts (Canada especially!) but with low numbers of bikes sold and very few parts online Aus was always expensive. We lost a lot of bike wreckers the past 15 years as well, that didnt help. That changed a bit when the uk prices went mad, for a while Aus was cheap, our currency tanked and we even had parts online. More recently, while some stuff has remained good value most of its gone up again now to catch up with the UK. I guess the big name ebay sellers realised where most of their buyers were coming from. lol
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Post by JonW on Aug 6, 2021 5:50:52 GMT 1
One thing i have found recently is that as has been said before, people with parts are holding onto them.
I had a guy come and buy some bits off me a month or so back. We chatted when he was picking up about his bike and he was after a few bits and pieces for his build. I said 'tell me what you need and maybe i know someone with them' as is usually do. This has been known to help newbies find parts and also help established guys sell things on without ebay/gumtree hassle etc. Of course he wanted the hard to find stuff like a fuel tank, clocks, 350 cyls...
Once my laughter subsided and we got past that stuff I got a small list of bits from him that seemed 'doable' from some of my contacts. I asked a few guys about these parts for him, yet while some of them said that they had those parts, no one wanted to sell anything at all. Zilch. Nix. Nada. Even when some of those parts were something I felt it was very unlikely that anyone would want to use and this was a good opportunity to get some cash for them.
That whole experience says to me that people with parts are holding onto everything they have. They might let a mate have something, but not a stranger etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 6:54:26 GMT 1
I think I just don't get round to selling stuff, or keep it just in case I need it, or to sell it with the bike should I ever let it go. I sometimes also panic buy things I think I need, just to find I don't really need them at all. For the LC I have standard pipes, an original if slightly dinked and repaired tank, side panels, clocks waiting to be rebuilt with Alans needles and cases, and a mint pair of 250lc engine cases I bought because mine had the usual chain damage but in the end repaired to keep the matching numbers. And don't get me started on the DT200 bits... No doubt I'll have a clear out if the shed gets too full, or I end up skint!
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Post by icarus001 on Aug 6, 2021 7:11:36 GMT 1
That whole experience says to me that people with parts are holding onto everything they have. They might let a mate have something, but not a stranger etc. A lot of parts for old bikes don't make much money, even if they're difficult to get, so it's too much hassle to sell. I had a garage full of parts that I had no use for (e.g. ZXR750H1 parts from a refurb) and I tried to sell some, but the hassle of dealing with buyers/ebay/postage/etc and idiots messing me around meant I put them all in the skip, I just couldn't be bothered with the hassle for not a lot of money. The last time I had a clear out I put parts on here and another forum for free, but stated that you'd have to collect whatever you wanted and fit in with my schedule because I wasn't hanging around or doing trips back and forth to the post office. Like most people I've collected parts and NOS for stuff like TDR/RD/etc and I even have a YPVS motor on my bench that I bought off Mutts a few years ago, I don't do projects anymore so I have no need for a lot of it now but I'm also not bothered about selling it because I don't need the money and I know I'll have to run the gauntlet of messers. I'd rather hang on to it, maybe I'll need it in the future, it's also probably better than having the money in an ISA.
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Post by brg1200 on Sept 18, 2021 7:42:51 GMT 1
One thing i have found recently is that as has been said before, people with parts are holding onto them….. That whole experience says to me that people with parts are holding onto everything they have. They might let a mate have something, but not a stranger etc. Thing is a lot of people play on the enthusiast and his altruistic instincts and are just after a bargain either to hoard or to flog on at a profit, and are quite ruthless about it.
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Sept 18, 2021 8:49:04 GMT 1
Post by jackjabba on Sept 18, 2021 8:49:04 GMT 1
If you need it you will pay it, if that's all that's on the market. FFS I just paid £148 for a NOS petrol cap for my KE125. I only paid £300 for the whole bike but to finish the complete restoration it needed a petrol cap. No supply of genuine ones so prices are high when they do appear.
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Post by geoffers997 on Sept 18, 2021 16:42:33 GMT 1
I reckon our hobby is mutating from a ‘buy and restore / make a hybrid’ into a ‘hold and maintain’ type of thing.
As cheapish supply dries up we all hold what we’ve got (steady now) and maintain it with our stash of parts until either we sell or our kids do it for us.
It’s a bit like some of the classic car makes out there - beetles, vw busses and stuff like that.
The ‘buy and restore’ market I reckon and as previously mentioned is next headed to the 600 super sport class. Not my thing personally but I’d put a fair bet on it.
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Post by Gunny on Sept 18, 2021 17:27:54 GMT 1
Complete motors, I had a search on eBay earlier and two 350 motors one 2k the other 2-5k what are ypvs motors fetching now? The world's gone mad Crazy money, I bought a running lc from a good guy on here last January for £1300
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Post by puddy on Sept 19, 2021 16:15:25 GMT 1
Did a brakfast run down to bognor today on my lc , got rained on a bit here and there , bike got dirty. Just had a nice time cleaning and greasing it back up. What I'm trying to say is use them , and get over that 'whats it worth ' bollox....lol Puddy
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Post by steve63 on Sept 22, 2021 13:02:27 GMT 1
The way I see it there are a lot of similarities between house price rises and motorbike price rises.
There are people who stand to gain from the price rising; estate agents and solicitors (mainly) work on percentages, the higher the house prices the more money they make for essentially the same amount of work the mortgage lenders lend you £150,000 now for the same house they would have lent you £120,000 for a couple of years ago. More money for the same amount of work. Any the government make more money in stamp duty. these people who stand to make more money will tell everyone as often and as loudly as they can that rising house prices are a good thing. Well they would wouldn't they?
If you have two houses and the prices are rising you also stand to gain.
I never understood why people who have one house they live in and thought it was good. Unless you sell it to then go live in a shed or house boat how do you get your hands on the money? You could sell it to one of those companies who'll give you 100k for your 150k house and let you rent it off them I suppose. If you have an LC and you sell it for thousands in profit you have money in the bank but you no longer have an LC so can't have wanted it badly to start with?
I had a heated discussion with someone about this decades ago. He said that rising house prices was a great thing. He had a house and was selling it to buy another bigger more expensive house nearby. he said that if the price of his hadn't gone up so much since he bought it he wouldn't have been able to buy his new one. when I pointed out the fact that his new house had gone up in price more in that same time period than his had and that he had to borrow more money to buy it he got a bit irate.
If you want an LC and you don't have one then it's a bad thing I suppose. You'd have to want one a lot now! I've had mine for decades. Never once did I think I'd rather have the money even though I have been "on the bones of my @rse" at times as my Mam would say.
If you have one or more then I suppose it is a good thing. Maybe these people are talking it up a bit but you can't MAKE people put their hands in their pockets and hand over 6, 7, 8+ thousand pounds can you?
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