E10 Petrol and the LC

[jam911]

So E10 petrol is coming like it or not.

What effect will it have on how our LC's run and how the mechanics and ancillaries like petrol taps stand up to it?

And do any the fuel additives available make any difference.

Looking forward to hear what members think

[geoffb]

gov.uk says Yamaha bikes older than 1990 are compatible so I guess the following applies to most of our older LCs.

If your vehicle or equipment is not compatible with E10 fuel, you will still be able to use E5 by purchasing the ‘Super’ grade petrol from most filling stations.

Filling stations will clearly label petrol as either E10 or E5.

[shaunthe2nd]

E0 would be much better. Ethanol seems to mess with old fuel tanks and fuel pipes. As far as I know LC engine still cope, somehow. These bikes were designed in the old leaded fuel days, as were a lot of old classic bikes and cars. They should provide a safe alternative fuel in my opinion to help maintain our old traditions and vehicles.

[Robbieben]

Jun 17, 2021 22:53:29 GMT 1 shaunthe2nd said:

E0 would be much better. Ethanol seems to mess with old fuel tanks and fuel pipes. As far as I know LC engine still cope, somehow. These bikes were designed in the old leaded fuel days, as were a lot of old classic bikes and cars. They should provide a safe alternative fuel in my opinion to help maintain our old traditions and vehicles.

It's only standard 95 unleaded becoming E10. The 97, 98, 99 octane fuels are remaining at E5 as a lot of vehicles can't use E10 and those vehicles mainly require Super Unleaded fuels.

[steve h]

They should not be growing plants to make fuel, the fermentation produces Co2!! So its really clean innit! I wonder how energy efficient (and clean) the whole process is from sowing the seed to the final fuel/hand sterilizer additive. Madness, grow food you (eating utensil)ing morons.

[JonW]

Beware of leaving a bike sit with any E in your fuel, it eats carbs.

[reedpete]

Jun 17, 2021 23:48:47 GMT 1 steve h said:

They should not be growing plants to make fuel, the fermentation produces Co2!! So its really clean innit! I wonder how energy efficient (and clean) the whole process is from sowing the seed to the final fuel/hand sterilizer additive. Madness, grow food you (eating utensil)ing morons.

If truth be known I think the topic of adding ethanol to fuel is more about energy politics , move economies to be less dependent on opec ....

As for C02 The carbon cycle will be net zero as the Co2 generated originated in the atmosphere, all the energy being derived from the sun, however the deforestation to create ‘arable’ land is the eco crime.

I enjoy a good steak but as ‘rich nations’ our diet includes way too much animal protein. Animal protein production is massively inefficient food production as the crop resources needed to feed the animals could directly be redeployed to create food directly. Reducing animal protein in our diet is probably the single most effective eco contribution we can make.

apart from that and as Fraser would say...we are all doooomed ! 

Now, where’s the keys to my Lc ! 

[bare]

I learned ~15 years ago that Ethanol fuels caused my Shindaiwa Garden Gear 2 strokes run so badly they were unusable for purpose.
In MY part of the world 94 octane is certified as Ethanol Free.
Shindaiwas run perfectly on it. As do my Yamas. Only downside is that it cost a bit more.
But then... Running badly or not at all, isn't much of an option either

[cbm]

Depending on where you live in the UK ethanol fuel always has been and still is available from Esso and they have no current plans to add it to their new Synergy Supreme +99 fuel unless forced to do so either.

Their website states:
What’s in our Synergy Supreme+ 99 premium petrol
Our Synergy Supreme+ 99 petrol has more cleaning power than our regular petrol – and includes molecules whose job it is to reduce the friction in your engine helping the moving parts work more efficiently.*

Although our pumps have E5 labels on them, our Synergy Supreme+ 99 is actually ethanol free (except, due to technical supply reasons, in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland). Legislation requires us to place these E5 labels on pumps that dispense unleaded petrol with ‘up to 5% ethanol’, including those that contain no ethanol, which is why we display them on our Synergy Supreme+ 99 pumps.

There’s currently no requirement for renewable fuel, like ethanol, to be present in super unleaded petrol although this could change in the future, in which case we would comply with any new legislation.

[scoot69]

Is it only ESSO that sell low E fuel
As I would use 1/2 a tank to fuel up at an esso garage