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Post by dusty350 on Jun 14, 2021 7:05:32 GMT 1
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Post by oldbritguy on Jun 14, 2021 7:22:35 GMT 1
I think that will fetch a decent price. I don't know Hag or the quality of his work but that is a marketable bike in todays world.
Watching with interest
John
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Post by stusco on Jun 14, 2021 7:40:40 GMT 1
Much better bikes on here ,how do you prove its been dry stored for 30 years? Mine was stored for much longer than that (not dry though)☹️
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Post by headcoats on Jun 14, 2021 7:49:38 GMT 1
Always liked the black and white paint job
Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard LOL
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Post by JonW on Jun 14, 2021 7:56:02 GMT 1
No side stand available that was long enough? No lift handle? Hmm... I know its modded, but these are simple things.
I like it, but the wheels will be a devil to keep clean and lets face it as with all modded bikes, its perfect for the modder but the next guy will need to do his own thing with it to make it his.
Im sure it wont sell cheap tho, but maybe the bubble is deflating... we'll see...
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Post by veg on Jun 14, 2021 9:26:38 GMT 1
It’s an iconic bike that informed a generation it’ll sell I reckon for big money.
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Post by rigga on Jun 14, 2021 10:10:13 GMT 1
I'm not sure its the original Hag bike, I think its another restored by him to look like his original.
If so what's the value in that?
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Post by paulsx on Jun 14, 2021 10:15:54 GMT 1
Was going to ask the same, not sure its his bike think its just a replica of it built by him
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Post by Robbieben on Jun 14, 2021 10:17:43 GMT 1
As I see it and as a person who over the last 20 years has resurrected many bikes, a bike is only ever worth what someone is prepared to pay but... and here is the crux of bike prices today.
Original bikes in perfectly good useable condition, unrestored and desirable usually bring the highest base prices, restored versions of these same bikes again usually bring the highest prices overall to reflect the cost of restoration. As in restored I mean restored to original condition with OE parts where possible. I'm currently restoring a GT750B Suzuki back to original condition, it isn't finished yet but I've already been offered £18.5k for it when it is completed. I'm not selling it but that is where the value is to many collecters or enthusiasts, an original bike, rebuilt to OE standard.
There are then the Hybrids, again desireable models attract higher prices but a Hybrid is the builders take on how and what they want the bike to be. As to its worth, that ultimately is down to what someone is prepared to pay.
The bike for sale here is a Hybrid bitsa, its not a genuine LC but a restored bike using LC parts from across the years. For me personally its a Hybrid and in my eyes and if it were my money its worth £6k or thereabouts. Its not worth the same as an original bike and again for me its not worth top hybrid money as it does not have parts that make it stand out or seriously desirable and it has faults.
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Post by rigga on Jun 14, 2021 10:20:43 GMT 1
Just quickly skimmed the magazine article, its not the original, its a homage, replica ...... f**k all extra value in that bike over any other well presented rebuild in my eyes.
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Post by tonyd123 on Jun 14, 2021 10:21:04 GMT 1
..... a Hybrid is the builders take on how and what they want the bike to be... Correct and that is why specials will never be worth as much as a standard bike. It's a very subjective and personal thing, so limited market. |
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Post by Robbieben on Jun 14, 2021 10:27:51 GMT 1
..... a Hybrid is the builders take on how and what they want the bike to be... Correct and that is why specials will never be worth as much as a standard bike. It's a very subjective and personal thing, so limited market. I'd argue with you on the hybrids and value, I've rebuilt early Bandits and GSXR's as Hybrids and they have sold for very good returns, more than the sum of all the parts etc and more than many new bikes today. |
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Post by veg on Jun 14, 2021 11:09:16 GMT 1
Just quickly skimmed the magazine article, its not the original, its a homage, replica ...... f**k all extra value in that bike over any other well presented rebuild in my eyes. In that case it’s an Lc special however the seller seems to think it has some intrinsic value because of the hag connections. |
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Post by rigga on Jun 14, 2021 11:14:07 GMT 1
Just quickly skimmed the magazine article, its not the original, its a homage, replica ...... f**k all extra value in that bike over any other well presented rebuild in my eyes. In that case it’s an Lc special however the seller seems to think it has some intrinsic value because of the hag connections. Well he would .... he's selling it, maximize potential profit and all that, definitely one for the eBay chancers thread this one |
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Post by tonyd123 on Jun 14, 2021 17:22:45 GMT 1
Correct and that is why specials will never be worth as much as a standard bike. It's a very subjective and personal thing, so limited market. I'd argue with you on the hybrids and value, I've rebuilt early Bandits and GSXR's as Hybrids and they have sold for very good returns, more than the sum of all the parts etc and more than many new bikes today. Argue as much as you want, I don't mind  If you find someone who has your taste and wants it, everyone's happy. But there is no argument that you are limiting the market for potential buyers. If I am building a special, I prefer to to start with something fairly standard and build it the way I want it. Plus, you may be a decent engineer, but I have seen some right horror shows. At least if you build it yourself you know it's been done right. |
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Post by Robbieben on Jun 14, 2021 17:55:01 GMT 1
I'd argue with you on the hybrids and value, I've rebuilt early Bandits and GSXR's as Hybrids and they have sold for very good returns, more than the sum of all the parts etc and more than many new bikes today. At least if you build it yourself you know it's been done right. Thats my general take on things too. I like tastefully buit hybrids, not dogs dinners.  Hopefully you can follow my 31K hybrid build once I get started. |
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Post by jon on Jun 14, 2021 17:56:24 GMT 1
I'd argue with you on the hybrids and value, I've rebuilt early Bandits and GSXR's as Hybrids and they have sold for very good returns, more than the sum of all the parts etc and more than many new bikes today. Argue as much as you want, I don't mind If you find someone who has your taste and wants it, everyone's happy. But there is no argument that you are limiting the market for potential buyers. If I am building a special, I prefer to to start with something fairly standard and build it the way I want it. Plus, you may be a decent engineer, but I have seen some right horror shows. At least if you build it yourself you know it's been done right. I’m on the fence on this one. What’s the percentage of people on here that have standard or hybrid bikes? I personally would never buy a standard bike as while I can see the appeal of the looks, standard LC’s are lacking IMO. I’d end up junking a lot of stuff to create what I want. I might end up junking less on a hybrid, so it’s more cost effective. I could understand a totally original rare bike as a museum piece, but if were honest these things were, and to an extent still are 10 a penny compared to some other models. Why do you think there is so much aftermarket stuff available? Because there are so many out there it’s a relatively lucrative market. Perhaps I’m in the minority and wrong? Jon |
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Post by 29davyt on Jun 14, 2021 17:59:05 GMT 1
Matching numbers, 1 previous owner UK bike ! Think the big money would of been in a standard concours rebuild not a replica of something created in the 80’s,, and as JW says, sort the bloody side stand out 🙈
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Post by andydbexley on Jun 14, 2021 19:08:05 GMT 1
I'd always say an original restoration would be likley to attract a higher value (particularly on an auction site) as the base line for any prospective buyer is easily established ie it's potentially easier to identify perceived short comings etc Hybrids or specials reflect the choices/prefernces of the builder and (potentially at least) doesn't or can't identify or quantify the quality of some of the "work" that has been done although of course ANY BIKE has the potential to divide opinion
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Post by andydbexley on Jun 14, 2021 19:10:54 GMT 1
An after thought; does anyone know who made the pipes on it? If I could make those I'd have a crack at making replica original ones
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Post by dusty350 on Jun 14, 2021 20:43:18 GMT 1
The last few years have seen well built hybrids match, and even surpass standard builds for price, but, as said, a hybrid has to tick the right boxes for the purchaser to get top dollar. I sold 2 of my hybrids for 5 figure sums, 3 years ago and 2 years ago so it does happen. Hag has made frame alterations to this Lc, so the matching numbers "thing" isn't such a big deal unless you want to convert it back, but that will mean £££. My mate Jamie did the powdercoat and Cerakote finishes, so the quality of finish will be very good regards that. Someone may well pay top money just because it's Hag's, albeit not his original one. Having seen the car in the "Inbetweeners" thread a couple of weeks back on the forum, go for a ridiculous amount of money, if the same mentality is evident for this Lc, it will make a fortune !!  Dusty |
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Post by stusco on Jun 14, 2021 20:46:31 GMT 1
Weren’t the original bikes not seriously tuned?
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Post by dusty350 on Jun 14, 2021 21:14:36 GMT 1
Yeah, Hags was F2 spec and blew up a lot ! |
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Post by bertiemollie on Jun 14, 2021 21:32:38 GMT 1
I remember the original pair at Box Hill and drooling over them. I think one or both may have been Lindemere tuned. They were / are very well known bikes a bit like the 7 up lc.
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Post by dusty350 on Jun 14, 2021 21:49:07 GMT 1
Yea, Pete Lindemere did the tuning. He lived in Twickenham, so fairly local for Hag and Jay. I was at college for a year with Jay, and met Hag a few times, but it was before they had the 350 Lc's. |
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Post by skydemon on Jun 14, 2021 22:00:32 GMT 1
Those two were the bikes that got me into LC’s. I think it’s gorgeous and if anybody can build me one for 6000 -7000 the job is yours LOL
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Post by rigga on Jun 14, 2021 22:02:18 GMT 1
The inbetweeners car, was the real deal though, the actual car, so had some added value to those who wanted to buy it.
I fail to see how a replica, will ever attain that much value compared to the original its modelled on.
Its a nice bike, and that alone will attract bids, but its not made clear its not THE bike that everyone knew about.
I think its a bit underhand they way its advertised.
First line
Unique opportunity to buy a slice of history .
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Post by steve h on Jun 14, 2021 22:10:19 GMT 1
It’s an iconic bike that informed a generation it’ll sell I reckon for big money. Iconic? I have a 250cc production racer owned by a Macau GP winner. Its not a copy or a triggers broom. and a whole lot better looking sans battle scares where its previous owner was scuttled at a snetters clubmans round. It's not iconic. I'm glad I'm not enthralled by the bikes of a 17yr olds dreams. There is a con in every icon...with good reason. |
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Post by dusty350 on Jun 14, 2021 22:10:48 GMT 1
Dont think the "Inbetweeners" car was the real deal. Certainly had a different number plate to the one on screen ?
The magazine article on Hag's Lc in the latest Practical Sportsbike doesn't give any idea of what happened to the original Lc that Hag owned. He bought this one in Ireland as a matching numbers Lc that had sat in a barn for 30 years apparently.
Dusty
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Post by rigga on Jun 14, 2021 22:30:33 GMT 1
Dont think the "Inbetweeners" car was the real deal. Certainly had a different number plate to the one on screen ? The magazine article on Hag's Lc in the latest Practical Sportsbike doesn't give any idea of what happened to the original Lc that Hag owned. He bought this one in Ireland as a matching numbers Lc that had sat in a barn for 30 years apparently. Dusty You're right, just checked and the car's not the original, but sold as a replica, bit more honest advert than this LC. |
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