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Post by noonster on Jun 7, 2021 20:47:24 GMT 1
I know this has been covered many times, but ive got something here that is weird.
i can run the bike in the garage,get temp gauge upto correct tempt.
change gear smooth and into neutral,no issues.
but if i go round the block and stop in 1st it will not go into neutral unless i switch ignition off and back on.
sop question.whats the difference between running the bike in the garage and being on the road.
ive did change the screw and spring on the gear selector, because i noticed a worn groove in both,did notice anything else wrong
getting fed up now,to much head scratching going on
got a new clutch cable,rear wheel is in line
any ideas please
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Jun 7, 2021 21:02:45 GMT 1
Not sure if this is rubbish, but worth checking.
Is your main chain tight?
If so, when you are riding the bike, the rear compresses and maybe puts more stress onto the primary gear shaft mkaing it difficult to find neutral.
In the garage, presumable you have the bike up on centre stand whilst running through the gears etc but the rear wheel is floating and not pulling so much onto the chain.
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Post by beardy on Jun 7, 2021 22:10:18 GMT 1
Also if the bike is up on the centre stand whilst the engine is running and your changing gear. Your back wheel is probably still turning. Maybe that’s why a few on here, myself included just snick into neutral before coming to a complete stop.
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Post by brigitte on Jun 8, 2021 17:58:26 GMT 1
Hello,
I would check the big bearing under the clutch basket. Idling on the centerstand is only litte load, on the the road the primary gear may push the shaft (to which side?). This would influence your cluth adjustment.
Brigitte
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Post by ajh on Jun 8, 2021 19:24:38 GMT 1
Also if the bike is up on the centre stand whilst the engine is running and your changing gear. Your back wheel is probably still turning. Maybe that’s why a few on here, myself included just snick into neutral before coming to a complete stop. +1 for this. I can get neutral no problem when cold but once hot going from second into neutral while blipping the throttle is the only thing that works on mine. Based on it getting worse as it gets hotter, for what its worth here's my theory - (and maybe your cylinders might be up to temp in the garage but your gearbox oil might not?) Its clutch drag one way or another which can be caused by lots of different things. It can be improved by making the selector mechanism as slick as poss (Star mod etc) but this is probably just hiding the real problem because as the oil gets hotter and thinner, less oil sort of 'coats' the clutch and therefore it drags more so need to check the clutch basket & plates for wear, warp etc. But thats too much hassle for now so I just live with it! |
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Jul 16, 2021 13:20:44 GMT 1
I know this has been covered many times, but ive got something here that is weird. i can run the bike in the garage,get temp gauge upto correct tempt. change gear smooth and into neutral,no issues. but if i go round the block and stop in 1st it will not go into neutral unless i switch ignition off and back on. sop question.whats the difference between running the bike in the garage and being on the road. ive did change the screw and spring on the gear selector, because i noticed a worn groove in both,did notice anything else wrong getting fed up now,to much head scratching going on got a new clutch cable,rear wheel is in line any ideas please Did you solve this? Got a similar problem on one of mine, can go up/down the box fairly easily whilst sat on centre stand, but on road its much harder and almost impossible to find neutral. |
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Post by 29davyt on Jul 16, 2021 18:00:28 GMT 1
When your bikes on centre stand and in gear does the back wheel spin when you pull the clutch in ? Mine never used to and first to neutral was quiet slick, I have recently fitted upgraded friction plates and springs and now the clutch drags ( back wheel spinning with clutch in on centre stand) and first to neutral a nightmare, think it something to do with the clutch stack height being slightly bigger with the uprated plates so there’s not as much movement allowed in the basket.
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Post by ajh on Jul 16, 2021 18:52:20 GMT 1
I know this has been covered many times, but ive got something here that is weird. i can run the bike in the garage,get temp gauge upto correct tempt. change gear smooth and into neutral,no issues. but if i go round the block and stop in 1st it will not go into neutral unless i switch ignition off and back on. sop question.whats the difference between running the bike in the garage and being on the road. ive did change the screw and spring on the gear selector, because i noticed a worn groove in both,did notice anything else wrong getting fed up now,to much head scratching going on got a new clutch cable,rear wheel is in line any ideas please Did you solve this? Got a similar problem on one of mine, can go up/down the box fairly easily whilst sat on centre stand, but on road its much harder and almost impossible to find neutral. Im going to try silkolene gear oil. Its spec'd for wet clutches and many people have said it helps. I'll let you know |
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Post by tacky1 on Jul 17, 2021 3:36:09 GMT 1
A lot of times it’s the steels in the clutch that are dished that can cause this.
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Post by 4l04ever on Jul 17, 2021 8:37:08 GMT 1
You can get warped friction plates too, so worth checking those.
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Jul 17, 2021 14:43:16 GMT 1
I fitted the rubbers in the clutch, will removing those help too?
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Post by tacky1 on Jul 17, 2021 14:50:20 GMT 1
I fitted the rubbers in the clutch, will removing those help too? I always remove them. Every bike, every time. I know it used to help bikes back in the day on the track, but that was to stop clutch slip. |
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Post by Gitram on Jul 17, 2021 17:52:25 GMT 1
clutch rubbers caused my clutch to slip.. i whipped them out and it was better.. try it when its all apart..
marti
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Post by ajh on Jul 17, 2021 18:46:35 GMT 1
clutch rubbers caused my clutch to slip.. i whipped them out and it was better.. try it when its all apart.. marti Can’t resist but ….it’s definitely good to whip em out when not using rubbers🙂 |
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Post by 29davyt on Jul 17, 2021 19:33:52 GMT 1
I was told they help when engine is cold, problem is there’s probably other issues causing same symptom ..
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Post by chrisg on Jul 17, 2021 22:53:48 GMT 1
You can get warped friction plates too, so worth checking those. +1 Also, even though your temp gauge is hot in the garage, this is only the water temperature. The gearbox will get a lot hotter on a run and may affect the operation. |
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