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Post by 525bri on Mar 30, 2021 19:07:30 GMT 1
Hi all, I've been fancying, an Rd for a while, which, sooner or later would turn into a hybrid with updated front and rear end and possibly, eventually engine upgrades etc. I've been lurking for a bit seeing what's going but nothings caught my eye, now this one's come up on ebay www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1985-Yamaha-RD350LC-YPVS-N1-/124658533532?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286And wondered what people's thoughts are? Would it be a shame to mess with what seems to be a very original example? I've seen what look to be bitsas go for a lot more. My point is, a bitsa is not a problem to me as I plan to mod it but if this is similar money??? Cheers Bri
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Post by 3tj6 on Mar 30, 2021 20:12:04 GMT 1
Abar 121 has a fully restored black n1 for sale 7k , easier to bolt rgv front and rear end into , than a 4k money pit ๐ค
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Post by tommo on Mar 30, 2021 20:17:40 GMT 1
buy my hybrid in the for sale section and all your dreams come true
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Post by jimmyg on Mar 30, 2021 20:31:28 GMT 1
Not that long ago I was in the same boat as you, I looked at loads of uncompleat bikes at 2k and a few compleat but not roadworthy ones at about that price, I also knew I would be making a hybrid and most likely playing with the motor later on, I found a hybrid that had been done a while ago and stood for around the same sort of money knowing it was going to be a project,and the main bits I would be replacing were kind of done my advise would be to check what ever you look at very carefully and be prepared for lots of cost from the little things you didn't think about or expect,
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Post by 525bri on Mar 30, 2021 22:41:49 GMT 1
buy my hybrid in the for sale section and all your dreams come true Mate, the work in your bike is top notch but it's not my cup of tea glws. Bri
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Post by veg on Mar 31, 2021 6:13:28 GMT 1
I would always start with the best I can buy, that may be sacrilege to some of the original is best mob but it honestly works out cheaper in the end (not that these builds are cheap). Try to start with a known quantity the better the basis the more likely you are to finish it. There are few on here who have sufficient spares etc and huge knowledge who can and will start with parts but they have sufficient stock (normally on top of their wardrobes. Whatever budget you have in mind double it and time scales rarely match reality. Good luck with your search.
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Post by jackjabba on Mar 31, 2021 7:39:50 GMT 1
Unless we started using German on the VIN plates then I would suspect its not a UK bike, but could be wrong. Looks like it needs a fair wedge of cash to fix it up as well. The petrol tank looks fooked as well and we all know how hard good ones are to find
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Post by hoist1 on Mar 31, 2021 7:44:34 GMT 1
Unless we started using German on the VIN plates then I would suspect its not a UK bike, but could be wrong. Looks like it needs a fair wedge of cash to fix it up as well. The petrol tank looks fooked as well and we all know how hard good ones are to find Youโr right about the tank, looks like a โstain aliveโ.
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Post by stusco on Mar 31, 2021 7:45:37 GMT 1
Its got a euro steering lock on the headstock im not sure if that counts
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Post by jon on Mar 31, 2021 8:01:06 GMT 1
As stated it looks like a European import. You can see the steering lock in photo 2.
Itโs a U.K. speedo so obviously swapped. So unknown true โmilageโ. However if close to the 35k mentioned, with no mention of engine rebuild expect to pay another 1K+ on top before you have a reliable but tatty YPVS.
These current prices seriously make me think of moving my KR F2 on this year.
Jon
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 31, 2021 9:09:53 GMT 1
Hang on till I button up my anorak ๐ค
Only way to tell for sure if it's a UK bike is the v5 but it looks UK to me
By the condition it is in it looks like nothing has really been tarted up so if not doing that why change to UK spec
It has a UK Speedo, a UK headlight and ALL the N and F models no matter where they came from had the steering lock on the side of the headstock
I think the only difference was the UK bike had both steering locks but the ignition decal is worn so I can't see if UK or Euro
My opinion is he wants ยฃ4500 for it
I'd then expect ยฃ1000 to rebuild and repaint the engine
The tank is fecked so there's another ยฃ300 plus (If you can find one)
Then paint will be ยฃ700
That's before any other resto work or parts
Now you can see why people are saying buy a 7k restored one
However if you don't have ยฃ7k the eBay one gives the option of spending ยฃ4.5k on a running bike then splashing out as you find money and hybrid parts
But the tank scares the shit out of me ๐ฑ
Steve
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Post by brg1200 on Mar 31, 2021 9:53:33 GMT 1
The seller makes s lot of capital on โN1 specโ but it has fairing brackets on the frame, N1โs are rare enough that I canโt say for sure but I doubt theyโd have brackets for the full faiting so iโd be running that engine number through RD350LC.net to see what model it really is. Wondering if frame number is the same.
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Mar 31, 2021 9:54:17 GMT 1
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Post by brg1200 on Mar 31, 2021 9:54:17 GMT 1
And the tankโs fooked.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 31, 2021 10:02:20 GMT 1
The seller makes s lot of capital on โN1 specโ but it has fairing brackets on the frame, N1โs are rare enough that I canโt say for sure but I doubt theyโd have brackets for the full faiting so iโd be running that engine number through RD350LC.net to see what model it really is. Wondering if frame number is the same. All N models had the fairing brackets as per the F model Frame number should be 31k-077 or 078 Steve
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Mar 31, 2021 10:19:56 GMT 1
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 31, 2021 10:19:56 GMT 1
Just noticed the headlight rim is chrome rather than black so that has been changed
Steve
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Post by veg on Mar 31, 2021 11:58:23 GMT 1
Steve is the reverse thrust piston return spring seal original? ๐ง
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Post by liffy16 on Mar 31, 2021 12:36:38 GMT 1
Think it's worth restoring as an N1 uk bike or not as most of the parts are there ,would be a shame to hybrid it but that's just my opinion and it's not my money .but just to add a sorted N1 is most probably the best valve made ๐
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Mar 31, 2021 12:50:13 GMT 1
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 31, 2021 12:50:13 GMT 1
Steve is the reverse thrust piston return spring seal original? ๐ง Yes... ...but the actual spring should be olive ๐ง Steve
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Post by steve63 on Mar 31, 2021 12:50:23 GMT 1
Think it's worth restoring as an N1 uk bike or not as most of the parts are there ,would be a shame to hybrid it but that's just my opinion and it's not my money .but just to add a sorted N1 is most probably the best valve made ๐ I agree. It think it would be a shame to butcher it. The N1 and F1 had the best engines. I'm not sure what, if anything, changed between the LC2 and the N/F but despite what Yamaha claimed was increased power from the N2/F2 they strangled their revs and ruined them for tuning. An N/F fitted with the lighter N2/F2 wheels would be ideal.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 31, 2021 12:57:44 GMT 1
Think it's worth restoring as an N1 uk bike or not as most of the parts are there ,would be a shame to hybrid it but that's just my opinion and it's not my money .but just to add a sorted N1 is most probably the best valve made ๐ I agree. It think it would be a shame to butcher it.ย The N1 and F1 had the best engines. I'm not sure what, if anything, changed between the LC2 and the N/F but despite what Yamaha claimed was increased power from the N2/F2 they strangled their revs and ruined them for tuning. An N/F fitted with the lighter N2/F2 wheels would be ideal. Tend to agree on it staying an N model I'd rather pick up a sorry LC2. More around, no frame brackets and plenty of bikini bits to punt ๐ Engine on LC2 and N/F is identical Only change was cdi and pv controller (you will notice the n/F pv controller despite looking identical to F2 has a white sheathed wire instead of blue ๐ Cdi also lets it rev 500 rpm higher Lc2 peak power 9k N/F peak power 9.5k N2/F2 peak power 8.5k F2 pv controller doesn't fully open till 10200. Figure that one out ๐คจ Steve
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Post by liffy16 on Mar 31, 2021 13:37:17 GMT 1
N1 does look better with a red frame aswell, think yam missed a trick there,biased view obviously ๐
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Post by julianboolean on Mar 31, 2021 16:39:37 GMT 1
I agree. It think it would be a shame to butcher it. The N1 and F1 had the best engines. I'm not sure what, if anything, changed between the LC2 and the N/F but despite what Yamaha claimed was increased power from the N2/F2 they strangled their revs and ruined them for tuning. An N/F fitted with the lighter N2/F2 wheels would be ideal. Tend to agree on it staying an N model I'd rather pick up a sorry LC2. More around, no frame brackets and plenty of bikini bits to punt ๐ Engine on LC2 and N/F is identical Only change was cdi and pv controller (you will notice the n/F pv controller despite looking identical to F2 has a white sheathed wire instead of blue ๐ Cdi also lets it rev 500 rpm higher Lc2 peak power 9k N/F peak power 9.5k N2/F2 peak power 8.5k F2 pv controller doesn't fully open till 10200. Figure that one out ๐คจ Steve LC2 will rev well beyond 9K with a set of Lomas pipes and no other mods.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 31, 2021 16:54:15 GMT 1
The standard bike will rev to the 10k red line but it is past its peak power
The Lomas pipes will make the peak power higher up the rev range which would further improves with more advance at the top end
Steve
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Post by jackjabba on Mar 31, 2021 18:56:55 GMT 1
The seller makes s lot of capital on โN1 specโ but it has fairing brackets on the frame, N1โs are rare enough that I canโt say for sure but I doubt theyโd have brackets for the full faiting so iโd be running that engine number through RD350LC.net to see what model it really is. Wondering if frame number is the same. All N models had the fairing brackets as per the F model Frame number should be 31k-077 or 078 Steve Vin Plate looks like 31k-077883, but were they in German on a UK bike?
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 31, 2021 19:40:05 GMT 1
All N models had the fairing brackets as per the F model Frame number should be 31k-077 or 078 Steve Vin Plate looks like 31k-077883, but were they in German on a UK bike? Been through old pics of the one I restored a few years ago which was a 3 owner UK bike that had been in Glasgow all it's life Only a scrappy zoomed in picture but some of it does look like German Steve
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Mar 31, 2021 19:52:05 GMT 1
All N models had the fairing brackets as per the F model Frame number should be 31k-077 or 078 Steve Vin Plate looks like 31k-077883, but were they in German on a UK bike? It's a standard 59hp RD350N1 so could be from any country in Europe. www.rd350lc.net/page1JF85.htmYou can check VIN plates here: www.rd350lc.net/pageVINplate.htm On plates on bike in France there is German and French language. But on VIN plates in England what are the languages ? If in English, I would be interested to have some pictures to complete my website ! Steeve the plate on the UK bike you had restored is this one so French / German: Xavier
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Post by hoist1 on Mar 31, 2021 19:57:31 GMT 1
Importers probably shifted excess stock to markets that were short. In the 70s i came across variations in the exhaust internals on rd200s for example, bikes for different markets can be the only explanation, surely?
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 31, 2021 20:05:45 GMT 1
That is it Xavier so yes French/ German. I was Googling the words as you posted this lol
I always thought there wasn't a UK version, they were all the same
Hence the vin plate, steering lock etc that is not usually on a UK bike
With the small numbers sold it makes sense there was only 1 model for all countries with just local changes like headlight
Steve
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Post by arrdy350 on Mar 31, 2021 20:27:45 GMT 1
That is it Xavier so yes French/ German. I was Googling the words as you posted this lol I always thought there wasn't a UK version, they were all the same Hence the vin plate, steering lock etc that is not usually on a UK bike With the small numbers sold it makes sense there was only 1 model for all countries with just local changes like headlight Steve My F1 vin plate is in French/German as well. Every day is a school day ๐
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Mar 31, 2021 20:37:21 GMT 1
That is it Xavier so yes French/ German. I was Googling the words as you posted this lol I always thought there wasn't a UK version, they were all the same Hence the vin plate, steering lock etc that is not usually on a UK bike With the small numbers sold it makes sense there was only 1 model for all countries with just local changes like headlight Steve My F1 vin plate is in French/German as well. Every day is a school day ๐ Arrdy350 is your F1 a "UK" bike ? Xavier
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