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Post by 29davyt on Mar 10, 2021 22:41:58 GMT 1
Was going to ask the knowledgable the other week but the bike disappeared off eBay, it’s back on there now sooo I will ask . I know the EU import LC’s have a VIN plate on the front of the headstock but never seen one like this, any clues to country of origin ?
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Post by JonW on Mar 10, 2021 23:14:39 GMT 1
never seen one of those, have you asked Xavier?
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Mar 10, 2021 23:33:46 GMT 1
New one on me.
Is he claiming its an original UK bike or an import?
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Mar 11, 2021 9:51:13 GMT 1
I'm here  I would say Italy ! why ?: On this plate it's written DGM: direzione generale motorizzazione On this page of my site www.rd350lc.net/pageVINplate.htm you have a "declaration of conformity" done by Yamaha Belgarda the Italian importer for 31K: www.rd350lc.net/31KcertificationFileItaly.pdf with on page 5 similar plate 31K - DGM - 51155 - OM. So very similar to the plate on this 4L0: 4L0 - DGM - 50650? - OM On Italian 2UA, there is those plates / sticker too:  On 57V/1JF, you have this 31K DGM number:  But on 4L0 plates I've never seen it:  So it's why I think, for Italy they add this specific plate ! Few weeks ago, I asked on the Italian RD facebook page some picture of those plates and get only one answer to this Anorak question and it's the same than the plate you show but on a 31K. Tonight I will upload this picture here. Xavier |
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Post by blaine on Mar 11, 2021 13:29:13 GMT 1
Hello, don't know if the below link will show up but does anyone know the reason for the number stamped into my frame adjacent to the VIN number? photos.app.goo.gl/iWCgkAxhC6VWhsPv7P.S. If the link does not work please let me know and I'll try again.... |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 11, 2021 13:32:35 GMT 1
The link says I don't have permission
Steve
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Post by blaine on Mar 11, 2021 13:34:01 GMT 1
Thanks Steve, thought it was to simple...
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Post by reedpete on Mar 11, 2021 13:34:12 GMT 1
Need access to google drive to view..
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Post by oldelsieboy on Mar 11, 2021 13:43:41 GMT 1
Hello, don't know if the below link will show up but does anyone know the reason for the number stamped into my frame adjacent to the VIN number? photos.app.goo.gl/iWCgkAxhC6VWhsPv7P.S. If the link does not work please let me know and I'll try again.... OEB  |
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Post by blaine on Mar 11, 2021 13:46:43 GMT 1
Thanks OEB, Sorry that the image has gone so big!
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Post by 29davyt on Mar 11, 2021 13:48:32 GMT 1
I'm here I would say Italy ! why ?: On this plate it's written DGM: direzione generale motorizzazione On this page of my site www.rd350lc.net/pageVINplate.htm you have a "declaration of conformity" done by Yamaha Belgarda the Italian importer for 31K: www.rd350lc.net/31KcertificationFileItaly.pdf with on page 5 similar plate 31K - DGM - 51155 - OM. So very similar to the plate on this 4L0: 4L0 - DGM - 50650? - OM On Italian 2UA, there is those plates / sticker too: On 57V/1JF, you have this 31K DGM number: But on 4L0 plates I've never seen it: So it's why I think, for Italy they add this specific plate ! Few weeks ago, I asked on the Italian RD facebook page some picture of those plates and get only one answer to this Anorak question and it's the same than the plate you show but on a 31K. Tonight I will upload this picture here. Xavier Thanks Xavier, so most probably Italy , never seen anything similar before and the chaps advert is like most these days “ lacking” |
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Post by 29davyt on Mar 11, 2021 13:51:32 GMT 1
Hold the press !!! Sellers updated his advert and added this, bit confusing but  ? I need to clarify one thing. This was a UK bike, but was first registered in Italy. I have been informed that late 1980 demand in Italy was higher than in the UK, so a batch of UK bikes were sent there. UK clocks, UK ignition etc, only the headlight was changed. I have installed a new Yamaha headlight for the mot. |
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Post by steve63 on Mar 11, 2021 14:03:15 GMT 1
Thanks OEB, Sorry that the image has gone so big! It looks like a proper, i.e. not a home stamped, job but sorry I have no idea what it's about. One of my frames has a VIB (Vehicle Inspection Branch) number on it but it doesn't look very professional. It was done after being stolen recovered and is on the seat catch bracket. |
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Post by reedpete on Mar 11, 2021 17:01:53 GMT 1
Blane, FYI ..... the original 4L0 number is not correct though....
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Post by blaine on Mar 11, 2021 17:18:53 GMT 1
Blane, FYI ..... the original 4L0 number is not correct though.... Hello Pete, in what respect please? FYI I've had the bike approx 16 years, the prior owner for 12 years before that, the frame was modified at taymar prior to my ownership. |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 11, 2021 17:22:42 GMT 1
Too many digits 🙈
Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 11, 2021 17:25:13 GMT 1
The 6 is also the wrong font
Steve
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Mar 11, 2021 17:27:14 GMT 1
All that effort and then made a schoolboy error..... |
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Post by blaine on Mar 11, 2021 17:27:39 GMT 1
LOL! I guess that's one way of hiding it's true identity! |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 11, 2021 17:34:16 GMT 1
The whole UK bikes in Italy is a thing I've heard before
Although you can't say it's a UK bike as was never registered here so it's still an import
Steve
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Mar 11, 2021 17:37:15 GMT 1
I agree, Blaine, homemade restamp and should not have any number below. For the VIN; the "0" are more rectangular than oval as they should be. And the stars should have a point on each side of the horizontal branch and the most obvious schoolboy mistake as said by Steve, the 7 digit number !!!!:  |
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Post by blaine on Mar 11, 2021 17:37:51 GMT 1
Oh well, ignorance was bliss 😔
The oddity is if it is a restamp why the extra I.D?
I'll dig it out at some point and strip it down then take the frame to GMP to see if they want to take it off me. If they are OK with it then I'm ok🙃
*some point could be a couple of years it's at the back.
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Post by jon on Mar 11, 2021 17:41:38 GMT 1
blaineThe stamping of the stars/asterisks is also not right. There are no dimples at the end of the stars. Jon
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 11, 2021 17:46:05 GMT 1
I would also add that unlike the engines the frame numbers are usually straight and evenly spaced
Steve
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Post by dc on Mar 11, 2021 17:50:44 GMT 1
Thanks Xavier, so most probably Italy , never seen anything similar before and the chaps advert is like most these days “ lacking” Having been looking for a good while, I can fully agree with lacking. Plus it's "advertised elsewhere", it happens so often I believe people think it is acceptable. It's not just being advertised, it's in an auction, period. |
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Post by blaine on Mar 11, 2021 18:03:13 GMT 1
Thank you to everyone for their inpu t and knowledge, Xaviers picture makes clear all that is wrong with the stamping and your comments support this.
As said I'll take the frame to the police at some point and await their verdict.
It is probable that the frame may be hookey, however until they look for prior numbers/ regrind etc there is always the slim chance that its a blank frame stamped up.
Many moons ago (30 plus years ago). I bought a new MTX125 frame from Honda that had to be restamped after being rebuilt and inspected by DVLA.
P.S. Did yamaha do the same with regards to new frames(no VIN?)
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Mar 11, 2021 18:09:33 GMT 1
You are welcome blaine , it's why I'm doing my website and this page: rd350lc.net/pageVINplate.htm to help people and avoid them to buy a motorcycle with some wrong VIN ! Xavier |
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Mar 11, 2021 18:12:12 GMT 1
blaine The stamping of the stars/asterisks is also not right. There are no dimples at the end of the stars. Jon It's what I have tried to say with my poor English: And the stars should have a point on each side of the horizontal branch  Xavier |
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Mar 11, 2021 18:17:04 GMT 1
So if this 4L0 is coming from UK it should not have the following plate, nor the 2 holes for the rivet...  Xavier |
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Post by reedpete on Mar 11, 2021 20:12:25 GMT 1
Thank you to everyone for their inpu t and knowledge, Xaviers picture makes clear all that is wrong with the stamping and your comments support this. As said I'll take the frame to the police at some point and await their verdict. It is probable that the frame may be hookey, however until they look for prior numbers/ regrind etc there is always the slim chance that its a blank frame stamped up. Many moons ago (30 plus years ago). I bought a new MTX125 frame from Honda that had to be restamped after being rebuilt and inspected by DVLA. P.S. Did yamaha do the same with regards to new frames(no VIN?) I think the key to this will be the relevance of the additional number. the comments above merely support that the 4L0 number wasn’t stamped in the factory. It may well have come from a reframed bike...and that second number is a DVLA reference. personally I think that’s probable since the second number is so obvious. |
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