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Post by Gord on Feb 14, 2021 17:55:51 GMT 1
When I tighten the front spindle to spec the castellated nut goes in beyond the hole for the cotter pin. I haven’t modified anything with respect to the internal spacer and have installed the washer and collar. Additionally at this torque setting there is definite resistance when spinning the wheel. I can make it less tight than the 84NM spec’d and fit the pin (scares me) or leave it as is knowing the nut could potentially back off a bit until the nut catches (scares me too). Any thoughts would be appreciated. This is what it looks like when torqued.  |
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Post by chrisg on Feb 14, 2021 19:55:36 GMT 1
Add another washer.?
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Post by Gord on Feb 14, 2021 20:46:51 GMT 1
Thanks Chris, that would be an easy fix. I guess I was overthinking it (or not thinking at all) |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 14, 2021 21:57:08 GMT 1
If the front wheel gets stiffer when Torqued I'd be checking the spacer between the bearings
Steve
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Post by Gord on Feb 14, 2021 23:12:23 GMT 1
If the front wheel gets stiffer when Torqued I'd be checking the spacer between the bearings Steve Do you think it could wear down that much! |
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Post by Gord on Feb 14, 2021 23:12:37 GMT 1
If the front wheel gets stiffer when Torqued I'd be checking the spacer between the bearings Steve Do you think it could wear down that much! ? |
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Post by JonW on Feb 15, 2021 3:08:21 GMT 1
Id also worry about that center wheel spacer looking at that. make sure its in there.
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Post by beardy on Feb 15, 2021 8:25:06 GMT 1
If the front wheel gets stiffer when Torqued I'd be checking the spacer between the bearings Steve Do you think it could wear down that much! As Steve said maybe check the spacer between the bearings for length. The spacers don’t wear or shouldn’t IMO. Try having the callipers removed when fully tightened to see if resistance is still felt. This should help to determine if the wheel is central. |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 15, 2021 9:53:45 GMT 1
If the front wheel gets stiffer when Torqued I'd be checking the spacer between the bearings Steve Do you think it could wear down that much! It doesn't wear but can get damaged knocking bearings out Also an old mot trick if your bearings were worn. File a little off the centre spacer and the play is gone 🙄 As said take the calipers off and try it Steve |
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Post by LC_BOTT on Feb 15, 2021 10:06:37 GMT 1
That doesn't look like the original washer to me? The ones I've got are nearly double thickness in comparison.
If you're taking the wheel out, check the bearings are seated fully as well.
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Post by beardy on Feb 15, 2021 10:36:09 GMT 1
Do you think it could wear down that much! It doesn't wear but can get damaged knocking bearings out Also an old mot trick if your bearings were worn. File a little off the centre spacer and the play is gone 🙄 As said take the calipers off and try it Steve People actually do that? Knock a bearing out then file a bit of the spacer then put back the knackered bearing. Sounds like the people that pick dog poo up and stick it in a bag then hang it on a tree 🤷♂️ |
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Post by Gord on Feb 15, 2021 15:26:37 GMT 1
I haven’t put the calipers back on yet. I’ve just ordered a new spacer for between the bearings, a new collar and washer as well just in case one of them is the culprit.
I’d replaced the bearings with sealed ones and wondering if maybe that’s it. I had a local bike shop get them for me (they installed them too). I didn’t measure them with a micrometer before they were put in but did a side by side check and they looked the same.
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Post by brigitte on Feb 15, 2021 16:36:17 GMT 1
I don't like the cotter pin too. I ordered some self-locking nuts for the rear spindle, so I don't need to overtighten the thread. But the new nuts are 24mm and Yamaha has 22mm, so I have to add another wrench to my toolbag. I didn't have a puncture for 30 years, but when you don't have the tools, you will need them.
Brigitte
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Post by JonW on Feb 16, 2021 3:17:20 GMT 1
Gord, the bearings are standard units (see the parts book, they even list the codes), I doubt the place got the wrong ones really.
I use R clips... reusable.
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Post by chrisg on Feb 16, 2021 11:19:49 GMT 1
Just looked at my spindle/nut set up. I have a similar gap, having replaced the wheel bearings. The nut and washer is one that I bought from mr megapacks and is dimensionally the same as the nut that came off. Never noticed this before my strip down, however I take any pics of the nut.
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Post by Gord on Feb 16, 2021 13:34:59 GMT 1
Just looked at my spindle/nut set up. I have a similar gap, having replaced the wheel bearings. The nut and washer is one that I bought from mr megapacks and is dimensionally the same as the nut that came off. Never noticed this before my strip down, however I take any pics of the nut. Thanks Chris, because everything else fits together so well it’s weird that the nuts would miss the hole like that. |
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Post by Gord on Feb 16, 2021 13:36:41 GMT 1
Gord, the bearings are standard units (see the parts book, they even list the codes), I doubt the place got the wrong ones really. I use R clips... reusable. Thanks Jon, they’ve been fixing bikes for years so agree it’s probably not the bearings. I’m not familiar with R clips, what are they? |
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Post by veg on Feb 16, 2021 14:24:45 GMT 1
Do a search on google they look like an R they clip in and out I far prefer them to split pins
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Post by Gord on Feb 16, 2021 15:34:27 GMT 1
Do a search on google they look like an R they clip in and out I far prefer them to split pins Oh ok, got it. |
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Post by jay on Feb 16, 2021 17:00:00 GMT 1
If the front wheel gets stiffer when Torqued I'd be checking the spacer between the bearings Steve That is how i discovered my rear wheel inner spacer was missing  |
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Post by 29davyt on Feb 16, 2021 21:12:08 GMT 1
I reckon you’ve got 2 problems here, possibly your spacer as suggested causing the resistance when torquing,, but also looks like you’ve a none standard castellated nut, mines like the one in photo slightly deeper than yours ,  34DB0EEC-E7BB-43F9-A9C0-B27DEE9DEA1D by
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Post by Gord on Feb 17, 2021 14:41:45 GMT 1
I reckon you’ve got 2 problems here, possibly your spacer as suggested causing the resistance when torquing,, but also looks like you’ve a none standard castellated nut, mines like the one in photo slightly deeper than yours , 34DB0EEC-E7BB-43F9-A9C0-B27DEE9DEA1D by
Thank you for this - seeing the photo of yours I think you are right. Mine almost looks like a standard size nut and doesn’t have the shoulder on it.  |
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Post by 29davyt on Feb 17, 2021 15:55:31 GMT 1
Gord. Just measured mine , it’s 13mm .
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Post by Gord on Feb 17, 2021 16:01:01 GMT 1
Gord. Just measured mine , it’s 13mm . Very much appreciate you doing that. That explains why it won’t line up with the hole on the spindle. I’m going to order a new one along with the spacer. Maybe someone changed the inner spindle at some point too and that’s what causing the binding. Fingers crossed the new one solves that part of the issue. |
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Post by 29davyt on Feb 17, 2021 16:05:59 GMT 1
No probs Gord, and it just goes to prove that size does matter 😂( hope I’m still allowed to say that , lol )
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Post by Gord on Feb 17, 2021 16:28:33 GMT 1
No probs Gord, and it just goes to prove that size does matter 😂( hope I’m still allowed to say that , lol ) Thanks Dave, yes it’s true...and in this case a least one of my nuts is too small! 🤪 |
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Post by JonW on Feb 18, 2021 0:11:31 GMT 1
That went down hill fast lol This is an R clip Gord, buy stainless ones so they dont rust:  |
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Post by Gord on Feb 18, 2021 2:04:13 GMT 1
That went down hill fast lol This is an R clip Gord, buy stainless ones so they dont rust: Thanks Jon - I’m familiar with them but never heard them called “R” clips before. We just call them cotter pins here in Canada, no idea why that is because in the photo you shared it totally looks like a R |
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Post by JonW on Feb 18, 2021 2:12:28 GMT 1
When I grew up (In the UK) a cotter pin was something else entirely...  ...tho these days i see split pins and flanged pins also called 'cotter pins', maybe more 'simplified language' creeping in? I never understand why if there are a bunch of things with different names that anyone would want to just use one for all of them, its not hard to learn each one. Imagine if we ordered food like that 'I'll have a cheeseburger please... er, this has fish in it?!'... |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 18, 2021 9:53:49 GMT 1
When I grew up (In the UK) a cotter pin was something else entirely... ...tho these days i see split pins and flanged pins also called 'cotter pins', maybe more 'simplified language' creeping in? I never understand why if there are a bunch of things with different names that anyone would want to just use one for all of them, its not hard to learn each one. Imagine if we ordered food like that 'I'll have a cheeseburger please... er, this has fish in it?!'... Oof 😖 Spent many a time trying to get those little feckers out after somebody had hammered the crap out of them trying to get the crank slop out 😫 Steve |
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