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Post by lc350pete on Feb 11, 2021 18:51:50 GMT 1
My 31K had the petrol tap fixed to the tank wth wood screws 😳
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Post by motolli on Feb 11, 2021 21:57:48 GMT 1
Ha ! Have been disassembled the rear swinger linkages of my RD 500 this winter. To install new bearings. Believe it or not, the inner steel tube of the swing arm , which is in one piece the inner ring for the needle bearings and the distance for the axle ... was missing. The former owner forgot it ? So the swing arm was held in line only by 2 washers and the dust caps. The needle bearings were definitely disangaged. Nevertheless the bike ran well and stable. Luckily this part was still available from Yamaha. Let’s see how the bike behaves now. Must be 200% better .
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Post by dougw on Feb 11, 2021 22:47:22 GMT 1
First lc had no tubes in the tyres. Someone had put a tubeless valve into a tube only rim. Loads of pads down to the metal these days on Deliveroo bikes. One only had one rear pad fitted and was bearing on the opposing piston. Swarf all over the back wheel, ffs. Sainsbury’s bags for mitts. This is present day, delivery a***holes in Edinburgh. No tubes, this was the norm when racing in the 80s.
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Post by kirkhd on Feb 13, 2021 16:29:12 GMT 1
Not a bodge as such but what not to do with a crank, Leave it in a shed when the shed couldn't have let more rain in if it didn't have a roof. I've actually found the receipt for it Suppose it will make a good paperweight if I pop it in my sandblaster.
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Post by steve h on Feb 13, 2021 18:25:13 GMT 1
Not a bodge as such but what not to do with a crank, Leave it in a shed when the shed couldn't have let more rain in if it didn't have a roof. I've actually found the receipt for it Suppose it will make a good paperweight if I pop it in my sandblaster. Be careful you dont damage that with the sand blaster.....
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Post by kirkhd on Feb 13, 2021 19:54:33 GMT 1
Not a bodge as such but what not to do with a crank, Leave it in a shed when the shed couldn't have let more rain in if it didn't have a roof. I've actually found the receipt for it Suppose it will make a good paperweight if I pop it in my sandblaster. Be careful you dont damage that with the sand blaster..... Think i could blast it with House Bricks and not make it any worse.
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Post by steve63 on Feb 21, 2021 14:44:03 GMT 1
First lc had no tubes in the tyres. Someone had put a tubeless valve into a tube only rim. Loads of pads down to the metal these days on Deliveroo bikes. One only had one rear pad fitted and was bearing on the opposing piston. Swarf all over the back wheel, ffs. Sainsbury’s bags for mitts. This is present day, delivery a***holes in Edinburgh. No tubes, this was the norm when racing in the 80s. Really? I heard you could run without tubes but the rims don't really have deep enough ridges for the tyre beads on tubeless tyres. So there is a risk of the tyre coming away from the wheel rim. I hate fitting tyres with tubes but I wouldn't risk not using one.
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Post by steve63 on Feb 21, 2021 14:47:37 GMT 1
Rode to MOT station. Parked up around the corner and pulled the dust seals up to wipe away fork oil. Wrapped toilet roll around the forks beforere putting the dust seals back down and getting an MOT.
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Post by chrisg on Feb 21, 2021 20:40:27 GMT 1
Rode to MOT station. Parked up around the corner and pulled the dust seals up to wipe away fork oil. Wrapped toilet roll around the forks beforere putting the dust seals back down and getting an MOT. Never done it, but There is a little trick of filling pitted forks with araldite and sanding down, works for a bit.
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Post by 29davyt on Feb 21, 2021 22:25:54 GMT 1
Some f**ker had wrapped shim round my last 250LC front wheel bearing ! Got the wheel machined with a insert bonded in for not a lot of money, bike felt 100% safer ..
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Post by dougw on Feb 22, 2021 18:33:56 GMT 1
Really? I heard you could run without tubes but the rims don't really have deep enough ridges for the tyre beads on tubeless tyres. So there is a risk of the tyre coming away from the wheel rim. I hate fitting tyres with tubes but I wouldn't risk not using one.
I wouldn`t recommend it, but not aware of any problems while racing.
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Post by st66 on Feb 22, 2021 19:12:14 GMT 1
My mate at the nice age of 16 snapped the rear can of his lc125 micron doing wheelies and ditching it so he got an hairspray can cut both ends of it and stick welded it onto his pipe,, for an mot next day polished it up with wire wool and it passed🤯🤯🤯 was as noisy as hell but passed mot I was in awe,,
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Post by earthman on Feb 22, 2021 21:42:33 GMT 1
Really? I heard you could run without tubes but the rims don't really have deep enough ridges for the tyre beads on tubeless tyres. So there is a risk of the tyre coming away from the wheel rim. I hate fitting tyres with tubes but I wouldn't risk not using one. I wouldn`t recommend it, but not aware of any problems while racing. Back in the eighties one of the LC's I bought didn't actually have an inner tube in the rear wheel, I run this bike for months without a problem/clue, only after getting a puncture did I discover this. Yamaha and Haynes manual states tubes so I'd stick with using them to be honest.
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Post by steve63 on Feb 23, 2021 14:05:35 GMT 1
Kinda loosing track of this thread, it's going from 'bodges you found' to 'bodges you did' I had a 400 Four with a Yoshi pipe that was just cut off behind the front pegs, no baffle at all. Sounded ace at 11,000rpm. Rather than risk the MOT man not agreeing though I made a special MOT baffle. I'd pop it in, ride to the MOT, bike wouldn't rev over 6k and ride it home. The baffle would just sit on a shelf in the shed for a year. The MOT man even said once how nice and quiet it was. The welded on kickstart is one I have found a couple of times and the odd gear lever the same. Bought a GT125 once for £15, rode it once and the wires under the seat started smoking, took it home and sold it for £15. Never bothered to find out what bodge had caused that. Horrible bike. I think the wires were just protesting.
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Post by dougw on Feb 23, 2021 14:42:18 GMT 1
"Kinda loosing track of this thread, it's going from 'bodges you found' to 'bodges you did' " Found Clutch nut lock washer had BOTH sides carefully locked onto nut, which was falling off. That count ?
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Post by cati357 on Feb 23, 2021 15:23:43 GMT 1
just the usual lc fusebox bodge all wires wired to one fuse and few wired with no fuse....
my favourite bodge that worked well for 40,000 miles was replacing the fibre washer under the speedo tang in the wheel with a peice cut out from an old umbro liverpool FC european cup winners bag
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Post by cati357 on Feb 23, 2021 15:37:11 GMT 1
my least favourite bodge was the smokey 500lc and the advise it just needs a good dicking down the motorway..... anyway one hold piston and an expensive and ultimately disappointing trip to Ormskirk later a rebuilt engine..
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Post by dougw on Feb 23, 2021 22:41:44 GMT 1
my least favourite bodge was the smokey 500lc and the advise it just needs a good dicking down the motorway..... anyway one hold piston and an expensive and ultimately disappointing trip to Ormskirk later a rebuilt engine.. Ormskirk , disappointing? Not that surprising, its my home town. Moved away years ago and apart from a few good mates don't miss the place.
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Post by JonW on Feb 23, 2021 22:57:23 GMT 1
Kinda loosing track of this thread, it's going from 'bodges you found' to 'bodges you did' I had a 400 Four with a Yoshi pipe that was just cut off behind the front pegs, no baffle at all. Sounded ace at 11,000rpm. Rather than risk the MOT man not agreeing though I made a special MOT baffle. I'd pop it in, ride to the MOT, bike wouldn't rev over 6k and ride it home. The baffle would just sit on a shelf in the shed for a year. The MOT man even said once how nice and quiet it was. The welded on kickstart is one I have found a couple of times and the odd gear lever the same.
Bought a GT125 once for £15, rode it once and the wires under the seat started smoking, took it home and sold it for £15. Never bothered to find out what bodge had caused that. Horrible bike. I think the wires were just protesting. Ive found plenty of these over the years. (
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Post by steve63 on Feb 24, 2021 8:40:51 GMT 1
"Kinda loosing track of this thread, it's going from 'bodges you found' to 'bodges you did' " Found Clutch nut lock washer had BOTH sides carefully locked onto nut, which was falling off. That count ? The clutch on my 350LC that I'd had from new stopped working, or rather was on and off. I'd never had the clutch side cover off. When I removed the cover and took the front off the clutch I could see the lock washer was only half-arsed bent up. The nut could undo and then turn back the other way past the washer. Basically it was a bodge done by Mr. Yamaha himself and corrected by me A guy I know has stripped a few TZ2/350's from new and never run to check over the engines. He has measured cranks that are out of true by double the supposed limit. I remember he set my YPVS crank to 1/2 a thou and him telling me this about the TZ's.
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Post by justyr on Feb 24, 2021 13:24:10 GMT 1
Really? I heard you could run without tubes but the rims don't really have deep enough ridges for the tyre beads on tubeless tyres. So there is a risk of the tyre coming away from the wheel rim. I hate fitting tyres with tubes but I wouldn't risk not using one. I wouldn`t recommend it, but not aware of any problems while racing. Back in the eighties one of the LC's I bought didn't actually have an inner tube in the rear wheel, I run this bike for months without a problem/clue, only after getting a puncture did I discover this. Yamaha and Haynes manual states tubes so I'd stick with using them to be honest.  Lc wheels are not tubeless rims. In other words there isn’t a lip into which the tyre seats. If it lets go, it’ll deflate instantaneously. You gents can make the appropriate call of whether to fit tubes or not!
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Post by earthman on Feb 24, 2021 21:45:16 GMT 1
Back in the eighties one of the LC's I bought didn't actually have an inner tube in the rear wheel, I run this bike for months without a problem/clue, only after getting a puncture did I discover this. Yamaha and Haynes manual states tubes so I'd stick with using them to be honest. Lc wheels are not tubeless rims. In other words there isn’t a lip into which the tyre seats. If it lets go, it’ll deflate instantaneously. You gents can make the appropriate call of whether to fit tubes or not! Yes, that's what I've heard too, it's the lack of a lip on the rims as to why inner tubes should be used, only learnt about this like 30+ years later. It's amazing that I never experienced that tyre popping off all those years ago, that could have been fatal.
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Post by JonW on Feb 25, 2021 3:09:11 GMT 1
I never understand this. It's pretty simple with the LC: Fit tubes. End of.
Whats an LC worth these days? What will it cost to fix and how hard is it to find those parts...? and then ask the same about yourself.
What you got away with isnt a prediction on the future.
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Post by steve63 on Feb 25, 2021 9:31:49 GMT 1
I never understand this. It's pretty simple with the LC: Fit tubes. End of. Whats an LC worth these days? What will it cost to fix and how hard is it to find those parts...? and then ask the same about yourself. What you got away with isnt a prediction on the future. Ah, but you would be saving £5 on a tube and 0.5kg in weight so it's got to be worth the risk eh? The big plus for me would be no more nipped tubes during fitting. In case anyone is in doubt, I am joking One of my favourite ones is using/not using a torque wrench. It brings out the "I've never used one in (insert large number, somewhere between 25 and 105) years and never had a problem" answers. My mate joined a forum once and asked what the torque setting for RD400 crank case joining nuts was. It started such a heated exchange he deleted his account and probably never joined another forum. Like if you use a torque wrench you're not a real man and you have no place in the bike tinkering world. Anyway, not using a torque wrench saves at least 30 seconds per tightening sequence so it's a no brainer. Joking again
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Post by earthman on Feb 25, 2021 22:47:01 GMT 1
I never understand this. It's pretty simple with the LC: Fit tubes. End of. Whats an LC worth these days? What will it cost to fix and how hard is it to find those parts...? and then ask the same about yourself. What you got away with isnt a prediction on the future. Back in the day, other mates/motorcylists I knew wanted to get away from bikes with wire spoke wheels that had to run tubes, seeing a cast/solid wheel on the LC automatically gave the impression that tubeless tyres were fitted,....that's part of the problem I think.
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Post by paulsx on Feb 26, 2021 10:19:46 GMT 1
Probably guilty of a few bodge crimes me sen back in my youth, so I shouldn't grumble. As a lad I bought a Honda70 for a fiver. Riding it home over the fields I noticed it had slightly squishy tyres...so when I got it home i tried to pump them up, but couldn't find the valves. Turns out the tyres were stuffed with newspaper! Yep my DT175 came like that but had the valves, tyres were stuffed full of rags, tee shirts etc and the remains of the old tube
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Post by dougw on Feb 26, 2021 18:12:14 GMT 1
Back in the eighties one of the LC's I bought didn't actually have an inner tube in the rear wheel, I run this bike for months without a problem/clue, only after getting a puncture did I discover this. Yamaha and Haynes manual states tubes so I'd stick with using them to be honest. Lc wheels are not tubeless rims. In other words there isn’t a lip into which the tyre seats. If it lets go, it’ll deflate instantaneously. You gents can make the appropriate call of whether to fit tubes or not! You are very probably correct about this. But as one of the many hundreds of survivors of running LC`s with no tubes, has anyone ever had an experience of an LC tubeless tyre letting go and deflating instantaneously ? ( I have experienced this on a tube front tyre on a GSXR11 at 130 , heading into an 80 mph bend , so from experience know how unpleasant this can be ) Tyre places fitted them with no tubes with no qualms in the 80`s. Race bike preparers recommended it. Yes I know its not right , but where we really all running such a high risk ? ( full proddy race grids doing this, I would imagine Gerrards would have placed some strain Michelin race tyre ) My current LC came with no rear tube , but I will be fitting one. I have a collection of torque wrenches though, and do use them, if that helps diffuse any arguments.
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Post by brigitte on Feb 27, 2021 9:26:29 GMT 1
I never understand this. It's pretty simple with the LC: Fit tubes. End of. Whats an LC worth these days? What will it cost to fix and how hard is it to find those parts...? and then ask the same about yourself. What you got away with isnt a prediction on the future. Back in the day, other mates/motorcylists I knew wanted to get away from bikes with wire spoke wheels that had to run tubes, seeing a cast/solid wheel on the LC automatically gave the impression that tubeless tyres were fitted,....that's part of the problem I think. At this time Honda already had tubeless tires on the CX 500. I remember that it war difficult to get new tubeless tires, when these bikes where new.
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Post by steve63 on Feb 27, 2021 18:23:03 GMT 1
Lc wheels are not tubeless rims. In other words there isn’t a lip into which the tyre seats. If it lets go, it’ll deflate instantaneously. You gents can make the appropriate call of whether to fit tubes or not! You are very probably correct about this. But as one of the many hundreds of survivors of running LC`s with no tubes, has anyone ever had an experience of an LC tubeless tyre letting go and deflating instantaneously ? ( I have experienced this on a tube front tyre on a GSXR11 at 130 , heading into an 80 mph bend , so from experience know how unpleasant this can be ) Tyre places fitted them with no tubes with no qualms in the 80`s. Race bike preparers recommended it. Yes I know its not right , but where we really all running such a high risk ? ( full proddy race grids doing this, I would imagine Gerrards would have placed some strain Michelin race tyre ) My current LC came with no rear tube , but I will be fitting one. I have a collection of torque wrenches though, and do use them, if that helps diffuse any arguments. I raced a 4L0 with Auto 66, Formula 5, Retford and District and maybe others in 1984. At least 6 mates of mine raced 250/350LC's and not one of them ran without tubes. It can't have been that common then. Going into Devils elbow flat out with the barrier waiting a couple of feet to the outside is scary enough at the best of times.
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Post by dougw on Feb 27, 2021 23:34:46 GMT 1
[quote author=" steve63" source="/post/519543/thread" timestamp="1614446583"] You are very probably correct about this. But as one of the many hundreds of survivors of running LC`s with no tubes, has anyone ever had an experience of an LC tubeless tyre letting go and deflating instantaneously ? ( I have experienced this on a tube front tyre on a GSXR11 at 130 , heading into an 80 mph bend , so from experience know how unpleasant this can be )Â Â Tyre places fitted them with no tubes with no qualms in the 80`s. Race bike preparers recommended it. Yes I know its not right , but where we really all running such a high risk ? ( full proddy race grids doing this, I would imagine Gerrards would have placed some strain Michelin race tyre )Â My current LC came with no rear tube , but I will be fitting one. I have a collection of torque wrenches though, and do use them, if that helps diffuse any arguments. Â Â I raced a 4L0 with Auto 66, Formula 5, Retford and District and maybe others in 1984. At least 6 mates of mine raced 250/350LC's and not one of them ran without tubes. It can't have been that common then. Going into Devils elbow flat out with the barrier waiting a couple of feet to the outside is scary enough at the best of times.[/quote] Only started racing LCs in 85. That one got nicked, it was its replacement that came race prepped in 87 with no tubes, and a mate bought a similar proddy bike at the same time with no tubes, raced them on and off til mid 90s. Funnily enough , loved devils elbow, always made up ground there, and through esses. Seem to have a preference for left handers.
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