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Post by shaunthe2nd on Jan 8, 2021 11:19:22 GMT 1
Twice in the last few days I've clicked 'buy it now' for purchases, normally I just then click on pay by Paypal, but on these 2 occasions I noticed that the purchase price had gone up.
It appears that VAT was added after the transaction although the advert made no mention of this.
I cancelled both transactions.
Not sure if this is a new trend by either eBay or some sharp sellers, but keep an eye out for it.
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Post by veg on Jan 8, 2021 11:28:28 GMT 1
Foreign sellers, prior to 2021 they within the eu didn’t pay vat on items sold within the trading area, post they have to charge it. Whilst in the eu I didn’t charge vat to my European customers, now I will. Goes both ways. A consequence of leaving one of the largest worldwide trading areas.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 8, 2021 11:49:32 GMT 1
Yep
They may say we have a tarrif free trade deal they don't tell you that vat from the destination country will be added
I was watching some panels from Germany and it stated plus 20%
Some countries are up to 27%
Everybody was jumping up and down about how much the UK Gov paid the EU. Well now they don't but it's the individual that's paying now
Big business doesn't care as it offsets their tax bill.
Saw an EU bike for sale and it stated UK purchaser would add 5%
This will kill the whole EU to UK bike and parts business
Had the nightmare this week of posting a parcel to Dublin. Forgot it was EU and there would be customs
Luckily when booking through Interparcel as well as the pdf downloads for address labels and barcodes you also get a customs form or commercial invoice (whatever you want to call it)
You need a commodity code as this decides what vat is due on it
When on the .gov site I couldn't find one but luckily on Interparcel motorcycle parts were listed so it found the code for me
Then the usual what each item is, what it's worth and weight
Even at that when I dropped it off at the post office the woman was telling me the paperwork was wrong
She said I needed the appropriate customs form or she can't accept it
I tell he that's what the commercial invoice taped on it is.
No it's not she says, it needs codes for vat
Eh, that's the Commodity code number on the invoice
A lot of debating and checking with other people she accepted the parcel
This is the cost of leaving the EU ☹
Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 8, 2021 11:56:16 GMT 1
Oh and forgot to say
Jonw will know this as if he buys something from Yambits they will remove the UK vat but he will pay Aus vat when it lands
Up till now if we have been buying from EU private sellers or non vat registered sellers there has been no vat
Now if a private seller sells you something for £100 he will post it with a customs form on it
It will land in the UK and attract vat
That will be £20 to the UK Gov and £8+ to parcelforce or whoever
Now can you see why the Gov thinks it's good?
They don't pay the EU and we pay them if we bring anything in 😖
Steve
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Post by beardy on Jan 8, 2021 12:44:59 GMT 1
Foreign sellers, prior to 2021 they within the eu didn’t pay vat on items sold within the trading area, post they have to charge it. Whilst in the eu I didn’t charge vat to my European customers, now I will. Goes both ways. A consequence of leaving one of the largest worldwide trading areas. As a 13 year old when we joined the common market that’s what I thought it was supposed to be. But it’s morphed into a federal Europe type thing which some people don’t want IMHO |
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Post by veg on Jan 8, 2021 12:45:19 GMT 1
Yes but what did the EU ever do for us?
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Post by earthman on Jan 8, 2021 13:11:45 GMT 1
Foreign sellers, prior to 2021 they within the eu didn’t pay vat on items sold within the trading area, post they have to charge it. Whilst in the eu I didn’t charge vat to my European customers, now I will. Goes both ways. A consequence of leaving one of the largest worldwide trading areas. As a 13 year old when we joined the common market that’s what I thought it was supposed to be. But it’s morphed into a federal Europe type thing which some people don’t want IMHO I agree, now it's going to morph into this 'Great Reset'/'One World Government' thing.  No matter how you want to look at it, there's no doubt that governments are corrupt, all they are interested in is getting money from it's citizens. |
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Post by JonW on Jan 8, 2021 13:31:18 GMT 1
Yes Steve is right Im all too aware of vat free buying abroad and then being taxed on entry to Aus. In fact you will also find that some countries still tax you locally and then again when it arrives in your own country. The USA often seems to do this with their new 'other states' tax collection, which before was free if out of state.
(im sure Americans understand all this better than me, but they also know that a 99c item in a shop will really cost $1.08 at the till. Gets me every time tho)
Ebay (and others, including Amazon and bizarrely Wemoto!) also dutifully collects vat for the Aussie Govt on all over seas sales. including the post. And... they collect vat on the fees of the sales I make with the platform as well.
Lots of companies abroad will start collecting money for HMRC I think you will find. the software is already in place for them to do so as they do it for 'us' (hmm) in Aus.
FWIW ebay will not remove local vat and then charge your vat either. ebay prices are not seen as having a vat element, even with a biz that is big enough to charge it - even if they send a vat invoice! So you pay local and your vat. Ebay should give you a full price, if not now they will in the future, its just teething problems i suspect.
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Post by Chewie01 on Jan 8, 2021 14:24:08 GMT 1
I would assume if the item is listed from a UK location the extra VAT would not come in to play. Can someone confirm if this is the situation?
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Jan 8, 2021 14:27:08 GMT 1
Both the transactions I nearly got stung for VAT on were both UK listings, but they are probably UK distributors for overseas goods, so very mis-leading.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 8, 2021 14:27:58 GMT 1
Yep USA at it too
I bought a pingel fuel tap from the USA simply as it was £96 delivered
Now I know it will probably get caught at customs (it's sitting at Heathrow right now 🙄) but even with vat and handling fee it will be a total of £124.
The cheapest I can get it in the UK is £177 so over £50 saved
Well untill now
I've kept the tap in my watch list (kept a few on watch just in case 1 went awol) and with exchange rates changing every day over the last month it goes anywhere from £94 to £102
Then I looked through my watch list and the tap is now showing at £127
I may be bein cynical but looks like they have just added their VAT on
Now if bought now I'll pay vat in the USA AND the UK when it arrives here
B4st4rds
Steve
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Post by Chewie01 on Jan 8, 2021 14:46:31 GMT 1
Both the transactions I nearly got stung for VAT on were both UK listings, but they are probably UK distributors for overseas goods, so very mis-leading. As the ebay listing says the item location is in the UK, I would expect the item to be located in the UK. If they are just a UK distributor and the item is not in fact in the UK, then I would call that false advertising. |
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Post by veg on Jan 8, 2021 14:53:06 GMT 1
Lots of UK listings are just a front for overseas sellers hence the VAT added, can't blame the sellers if they are up front about it, its a direct consequence of our present situation, in the same way that trade is being hit by overseas export paperwork etc, it'll be the same when foreign travel/holidays restart etc you're going to need health insurance, pass through passport/immigration control etc (the government has decided to minimise/withdraw advice/assistance from locally based consuls as they know what's coming) and you cannot blame anyone else, overseas sellers, local authorities or governments.
An end of free movement and taking back control means just that.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 8, 2021 15:01:46 GMT 1
Don't know about non UK sellers being up front 🙄
Bought loads of stuff that I deliberately bought from a particular seller as stated UK stock and Royal Mail delivery
You know it ain't turning up in a few days when you check the PayPal payment and it's all just Chinese symbols
Eventually turns up 7 - 10 day later with a Royal Mail label stuck over an international one
P1sses me right off
Steve
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Post by chrisg on Jan 8, 2021 15:39:48 GMT 1
Don't know about non UK sellers being up front 🙄 Bought loads of stuff that I deliberately bought from a particular seller as stated UK stock and Royal Mail delivery You know it ain't turning up in a few days when you check the PayPal payment and it's all just Chinese symbols Eventually turns up 7 - 10 day later with a Royal Mail label stuck over an international one P1sses me right off Steve I purposely edit for UK sellers and still the Chinese sellers get through, apparently based in London. 🤬 |
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Post by chrisg on Jan 8, 2021 15:41:50 GMT 1
Foreign sellers, prior to 2021 they within the eu didn’t pay vat on items sold within the trading area, post they have to charge it. Whilst in the eu I didn’t charge vat to my European customers, now I will. Goes both ways. A consequence of leaving one of the largest worldwide trading areas. As a 13 year old when we joined the common market that’s what I thought it was supposed to be. But it’s morphed into a federal Europe type thing which some people don’t want IMHO Do you mean the United States of Europe? They tried in in 1939 with force but that didn't work, so they tried the back door with some success. |
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Post by Chewie01 on Jan 8, 2021 15:56:29 GMT 1
Don't know about non UK sellers being up front 🙄 Bought loads of stuff that I deliberately bought from a particular seller as stated UK stock and Royal Mail delivery You know it ain't turning up in a few days when you check the PayPal payment and it's all just Chinese symbols Eventually turns up 7 - 10 day later with a Royal Mail label stuck over an international one P1sses me right off Steve I have been done like this a bunch of times as well, and it p1sses me off no end. The only thing I can think of doing is giving them a negative 1 star review. |
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Post by JonW on Jan 9, 2021 1:35:01 GMT 1
Overseas sellers claiming stock is in country annoys me too. you pay more and yet it still takes ages to come if at all. I only ever buy something like that locally and pay more if i need it quickly so its false advertising. 1-2 day post becomes a month and equals bad feedback but they are 20,000 fbs so dont care about the odd back one, in fact if you look they probably have 20+ each month etc. Water off a ducks back.
Anyway, the old double VAT is nothing new. Paid for a lot of local vats, including in the uk, for stuff sent to Aus. I now black list sellers who do this. Some claim they dont and yet they include an invoice with the parcel with the VAT element clearly shown.
You used to be able to talk to HMRC about this stuff but what do they care now really? the govt needs every penny/cent it can get so they ignore you.
Just have to be careful and do your research. Dont buy or pay (and instead cancel) if the deal isnt working for you.
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Post by 4l04ever on Jan 9, 2021 9:23:27 GMT 1
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Post by madmick on Jan 9, 2021 13:44:46 GMT 1
When you are looking at an item on the bay and it claims uk seller, just scroll down to near the bottom of the page, where you’ll find sellers true information.
You’ll see the real name and address of the seller.... normally Chinese.😡
M.M.
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Post by steve h on Jan 9, 2021 14:45:13 GMT 1
When you are looking at an item on the bay and it claims uk seller, just scroll down to near the bottom of the page, where you’ll find sellers true information. You’ll see the real name and address of the seller.... normally Chinese.😡 M.M. And if it aint there, find someone else to buy from. I even check the address out with google earth...if the address is given. |
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Post by jh002 on Jan 9, 2021 22:50:49 GMT 1
Update from Ireland. DPD suspended UK parcel movements for the short term. Few others as well. Take care if you buy or sell they are returning packages to sender. An Post are handling parcels but usually if they handle the customs charge they lump on a handling fee.
EBay also adding on fees to uk purchases via global shipping programme. Approx £10 on top of 45.
It may all settle in a few weeks when the final t&c's are sorted
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Post by ERic350 on Jan 10, 2021 10:49:28 GMT 1
Single seat cowl by Barney Racing. Last year £42. Now £60. And probably also have to pay about £10 to the postal for doing the administration. Someone is trying to make good use of Brexit  And probably not the only one. No more Barney for me... |
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Post by copper99 on Jan 10, 2021 15:55:29 GMT 1
Just to add to this, I had a problem with a part I ordered and had delivered from Calmari in the states last month, they emailed me this week to say they couldnt do anything about replacing it due to Brexit, they are not taking/dispatching any UK orders due to "excess paperwork"...they have agreed to refund it thou.
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Post by Chewie01 on Jan 11, 2021 15:46:44 GMT 1
I just received this message from the last Chinese seller who masqueraded as a UK seller. Negative reviews do seem to have some impact.
Dear ,
So sorry to distyrb you ,
Could you please help us change the feedback to positive ？
We are just young working people who have just entered the society and really need this job. We don’t want to be fired. If the bad reviews are not resolved, the boss will deduct our wages or even fire us. We are really urgent to solve your problem. I hope you can help me.
If you have any question , you can tell us .
Best regards
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 11, 2021 16:16:21 GMT 1
My Pingel fuel tap from USA has made it to my local Royal Mail office and as expected there is a custom fee to pay
Strangely they only want 10% 🤔
Steve
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No matter how you want to look at it, there's no doubt that governments are corrupt, all they are interested in is getting money from it's citizens. 
And probably not the only one. No more Barney for me...