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Post by JonW on Oct 20, 2020 12:56:16 GMT 1
EDITED: Lets leave this thread to talk about cars, I'll start a new one.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 20, 2020 20:02:07 GMT 1
If they are not grooved, scored or looking like sh1t I'd use them anyway
Got wound up at A Ford garage today about discs on my Mondeo
Booked a while you wait MOT at 8.30
At 9.30 they come over and say the lease company have not authorised them to do the test. Now I've got the email from the lease company telling me to get it done, they are approved to do it and they've known about it for a week but didn't ask till I'd arrived
They still wouldn't start so I had To make the calls to hurry them up
I sit for a further 2 hours before going back to the desk and asking for an update. They say they have looked at the car and the discs are below the service limit so need replaced front and back. There is also an overdue gearbox service (apparently) that the last dealer didn't do it 8k miles ago in Feb.
Until that's authorised we can't carry on and then it's lunch blah, blah, blah.
I sit back down fuming for another 15 mins till I suddenly hit my limit.
I think to myself unless any fail is dangerous I can just take the car away and come back when they are ready to go ahead. I also never remembered ever seeing a fail on disc thickness
I go on the MOT history website and put my reg in
The fecking thing actually passed but 4 advisories on discs
Fukc that I thought I'm going home with it
Goes to the desk and says I'm not waiting any longer
He proceeds to tell me I can't as the car failed it's MOT and as it's a safety issue I can't take it
You should have saw his face when I called him a liar and that I knew it had passed
A bit of flaffing and 5 mins later I get the car brought round
Cheeky b4st4rds
Oh and for 4 discs/pads and a gearbox service they want over £1100 😱
Steve
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Post by donkeychomp on Oct 20, 2020 21:18:25 GMT 1
4 discs is £1100?? On a fcuking Mondeo?? Dealers are the biggest sharks out there and yours seems to have a larger dorsal fin than most!
Alex
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Post by veg on Oct 20, 2020 21:36:39 GMT 1
Dealers make their money out of parts and service not on car sales they are all trained to up sell and will tell you things like your discs are rusty! They won’t say that’s because they are cast steel and it’s on the leading edge not on the disc surface area etc so of course people go oh shite best get them changed that could be dangerous.
Just had the wife’s car serviced and it cost £3200 including new discs and pads. It’s a joke.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 20, 2020 21:42:18 GMT 1
4 discs is £1100?? On a fcuking Mondeo?? Dealers are the biggest sharks out there and yours seems to have a larger dorsal fin than most! Alex You forgot that includes a gearbox service, Bargaroonie 😂 The brakes are only £700 It's £439 for the gearbox service which when I googled it is an oil and filter change 🙄 They said it should have been done on the last service but they got the age/mileage bit mixed up They did a 4 year/76k mile service It was 3 years and 99k It's now 4 years with 107k as Covid had me off work for 6 months It's already on its 4th set of rear discs and 3rd set of fronts Oh and the gearbox service which is 3 years or 38k has been done twice and was knocked back when they asked at the last service Now over the years I've had it between furlough and long term sick it's been off the road 12 months In fact it was off the road for 2 months when it lunched it's clutch at 20k and the gearbox was serviced then as well I'm scared to think what the total bill has been since new Steve |
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Post by veg on Oct 20, 2020 21:45:11 GMT 1
Quality motor then Steve 👍
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 20, 2020 21:45:13 GMT 1
Dealers make their money out of parts and service not on car sales they are all trained to up sell and will tell you things like your discs are rusty! They won’t say that’s because they are cast steel and it’s on the leading edge not on the disc surface area etc so of course people go oh shite best get them changed that could be dangerous. Just had the wife’s car serviced and it cost £3200 including new discs and pads. It’s a joke. That's exactly what's happened Barely used for 6 months so the outer edge has rusted I reckon a few thousand miles and they would have worn clean Steve |
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Post by veg on Oct 20, 2020 21:46:27 GMT 1
Anchors and they know it.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 20, 2020 21:50:15 GMT 1
Quality motor then Steve 👍 To be honest it's been reliable but it's just the dealers ripping off It were mine I'd have cleaned the disc edges up with a flap wheel. It does take a hammering The clutch issue was one of the actuator solenoids failing You can't repair them, it a whole clutch pack and a new flywheel too Still not as nice as my Skoda Superb though 🤔 Steve |
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Post by looey on Oct 20, 2020 21:51:05 GMT 1
That's exactly why I do my own servicing when I can.
Just serviced my 2.0 BMW diesel engined car for less than £80 and that included 10L of semi-synthetic engine oil, oil filter, sump washer, air filter and PCV filter.
And new Eicher front discs and pads from Euro's was £51.95 incl. Vat. 30 mins a side to clean, and fit.
Dealers are rip-off merchants
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Post by donkeychomp on Oct 20, 2020 22:36:39 GMT 1
My truck. 2 new front discs (gen parts) £150. Gearbox and tbox oil, pfft, a tenner? DIY lads, we do it on our bikes...
Alex
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Post by earthman on Oct 20, 2020 22:43:28 GMT 1
He proceeds to tell me I can't as the car failed it's MOT and as it's a safety issue I can't take it I spoke to an 'MOT only' outfit about this aspect some time ago, they told me that they can't legally prevent you from driving away in your vehicle, they can only advise you not to do so. They didn't have any space to store failed vehicles anyway and they don't stock any parts or repair them anyhow. |
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Post by veg on Oct 20, 2020 22:44:20 GMT 1
And we’re they as simple I would however our cars aren’t as basic as an Lc
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Post by shell2tx on Oct 20, 2020 23:21:02 GMT 1
Same here , had my car in an independent garage in Stornoway last week for a sensor in the rear diff the guy phoned me raging that he could.nt :code: the sensor to the car because the software wouldnt let him in, he had already done it with another Audi so it has to go to Inverness to the main dealer to get coded and a new battery that also needs coded to the car !! Beware if you own a big Audi and it starts playing funny buggers like just turning over and not starting or worse still cutting out for no reason anywhere it fancys its the battery, thinking of changing to an old quattro at least i can sort that myself to go with the lc,s
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Post by JonW on Oct 20, 2020 23:25:56 GMT 1
Ok, I'm going to start a new thread with my question, you guys can chat car garage issues in this one. Ive plenty of car stories and of terrible dealers.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 21, 2020 8:53:26 GMT 1
Ok, I'm going to start a new thread with my question, you guys can chat car garage issues in this one. Ive plenty of car stories and of terrible dealers. Sorry Jon, I ruined your thread. I was a bit ranty after sitting freezing for 3.5 hours Personally I'd use all the discs down to 4mm without worrying If the disc surface is good and no cracks I don't see the problem Steve |
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Post by JonW on Oct 21, 2020 9:01:17 GMT 1
Ok, I'm going to start a new thread with my question, you guys can chat car garage issues in this one. Ive plenty of car stories and of terrible dealers. Sorry Jon, I ruined your thread. I was a bit ranty after sitting freezing for 3.5 hours Personally I'd use all the discs down to 4mm without worrying If the disc surface is good and no cracks I don't see the problem Steve Its all good mate.  |
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Post by allspeeds on Oct 21, 2020 21:11:47 GMT 1
Same here , had my car in an independent garage in Stornoway last week for a sensor in the rear diff the guy phoned me raging that he could.nt :code: the sensor to the car because the software wouldnt let him in, he had already done it with another Audi so it has to go to Inverness to the main dealer to get coded and a new battery that also needs coded to the car !! Beware if you own a big Audi and it starts playing funny buggers like just turning over and not starting or worse still cutting out for no reason anywhere it fancys its the battery, thinking of changing to an old quattro at least i can sort that myself to go with the lc,s Dont even go there with sensors on Audi what a pile of crap they have become ,I always had Audis for years until they put sensors made of jelly everywhere they could, they fail regularly ,throw up a management light when there is actually no fault at all apart from the actual sensor itself and it makes Audi £500 every time that happens. I only buy jap now. |
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Post by stusco on Oct 21, 2020 21:23:35 GMT 1
Same here , had my car in an independent garage in Stornoway last week for a sensor in the rear diff the guy phoned me raging that he could.nt :code: the sensor to the car because the software wouldnt let him in, he had already done it with another Audi so it has to go to Inverness to the main dealer to get coded and a new battery that also needs coded to the car !! Beware if you own a big Audi and it starts playing funny buggers like just turning over and not starting or worse still cutting out for no reason anywhere it fancys its the battery, thinking of changing to an old quattro at least i can sort that myself to go with the lc,s I changed the battery on my 2012 s4 didn’t have to code it i got a better battery cheaper so it wasn’t even a straight swap |
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Post by JonW on Oct 21, 2020 22:58:43 GMT 1
Same here , had my car in an independent garage in Stornoway last week for a sensor in the rear diff the guy phoned me raging that he could.nt :code: the sensor to the car because the software wouldnt let him in, he had already done it with another Audi so it has to go to Inverness to the main dealer to get coded and a new battery that also needs coded to the car !! Beware if you own a big Audi and it starts playing funny buggers like just turning over and not starting or worse still cutting out for no reason anywhere it fancys its the battery, thinking of changing to an old quattro at least i can sort that myself to go with the lc,s Dont even go there with sensors on Audi what a pile of crap they have become ,I always had Audis for years until they put sensors made of jelly everywhere they could, they fail regularly ,throw up a management light when there is actually no fault at all apart from the actual sensor itself and it makes Audi £500 every time that happens. I only buy jap now. Its all German cars now sadly. That great reputation for reliability and quality is long gone. I also only buy Japanese and only those actually made in Japan. At least their culture is one of quality. More recently here the Korean brands like Kia and Hyundai have come up a lot and I'd consider those now. I left the Germans behind after my Polo Gti had a new engine and two sets of clutches plus lots of other trim failures all under 20k miles and 3 years. Never again. |
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Post by bare on Oct 22, 2020 18:00:04 GMT 1
Haww Bosch has Ably replaced Lucas in the effed electricals area. Also in their Kitchen appliances.. grrr but that's another Digression.
Have owned several Honda (Acuras actually) since '88. Only major failure experienced has been a Headlight bulb.. true.
Current Acura still has it's OEM battery .. 10 years and counting . It Still tests 'fine'.
Curiously German car dealers 'here' pacific northwest are slumping.
The Pilot fish types who used to buy Mercs Bmw's Audis etc are Now lining up for Teslas.
Seriously.. as delivery wait list time is currently past 8 weeks.
And why not ? the things are quicker than most All German sporty cars have more electronic 'features' than an I phone yet sell for Less coin.
And they are proving reliable as a Rock .. which I find surprising TBH.
IMO the 4th Reich will continue to falter.
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Post by bare on Oct 22, 2020 18:02:09 GMT 1
double post.. sorry.
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Post by arrow on Oct 22, 2020 18:29:11 GMT 1
Wow!
I've got a 2016 Mk 3 Fabia on lease. £71 a month. Fortunately I like small cars, the so called super mini type. I had it remapped a week after I had it (was always the plan) with the main dealers knowledge.
Last month it had an issue with an injector seal. Pissed fuel everywhere when ignition turned on (the map does not increase the fuel pressure). Dealer did all the work free with no quibble what so ever and gave the car a wash too.
I think my dealer has long since realised that looking after people is important to them.
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Post by earthman on Oct 22, 2020 20:12:58 GMT 1
Same here , had my car in an independent garage in Stornoway last week for a sensor in the rear diff the guy phoned me raging that he could.nt :code: the sensor to the car because the software wouldnt let him in, he had already done it with another Audi so it has to go to Inverness to the main dealer to get coded and a new battery that also needs coded to the car !! Beware if you own a big Audi and it starts playing funny buggers like just turning over and not starting or worse still cutting out for no reason anywhere it fancys its the battery, thinking of changing to an old quattro at least i can sort that myself to go with the lc,s I changed the battery on my 2012 s4 didn’t have to code it i got a better battery cheaper so it wasn’t even a straight swap I think that having to code the battery came in after 2012, not 100% sure what the year were. It's a stupid idea if you ask me, I'll certainly not buy anything newer. |
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Post by donkeychomp on Oct 22, 2020 21:16:35 GMT 1
First I ever heard of a coded battery was when a neighbour's Mini needed one. Total cost including installing it cost more than my Toyota Yaris.
Alex
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Post by Delbert on Oct 22, 2020 21:16:44 GMT 1
Talk of main stealers over pricing, we changed some suspension bushes on a q5 last week using genuine parts, cost the guy about £350 he had been quoted £760 from the stealer!!! Go figure 🤷♂️
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Post by steve63 on Oct 22, 2020 22:26:49 GMT 1
Taking your car to a dealer isn't a guarantee of having a decent job done either. My lad had a wheel bearing changed on his Corsa and a new handbrake cable fitted by a different dealer. The ABS sensor started coming on shortly after the last bit of work so he took it back. The dealer said he had fixed it. Shortly after it came back on. Anyway the lad bought a new car, the Corsa was left abandoned at the back of our garage and eventually I took on the task of getting it through it's MOT and selling it. I took the back wheel off and the hub to investigate the ABS and the sensor was obviously damaged. there was a small spring just lying in the bottom of the drum and another spring was fitted incorrectly. I found that out by watching a Youtube video of someone changing back brake shoes on a Corsa. One of the people who worked on the car had damaged the ABS sensor, it was like a magnetic washer stuck to a cap that goes over the bearing I think. The ring was in pieces. It looked like it had been removed, stood on and then badly straightened out and re-fitted. Whoever did it must have known it was never going to work and just re-set the fault code. A new sensor was only about £5. Fitted one, put the brakes back together properly with both springs fitted in the right place and problem goes away. My Insignia's in for MOT and service tomorrow so I'm looking forward to having my pants pulled down and my arris spanked |
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Post by JonW on Oct 22, 2020 23:36:09 GMT 1
Find a small non main dealer and just keep using them for all your cars, most services are simple oil n filter and anyone can do it, even you. But use the garage and OEM parts and get a receipt and a book stamp. The main dealer rip off is not required for warranty.
Main dealers use a lot of apprentice labour, so its not surprising that broken parts are hammered on, you folk wont like to admit they made mistakes and can ill afford things to come out of their wages etc.
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Post by arrow on Oct 23, 2020 0:07:39 GMT 1
Agree Jon.
I once read in a magazine about a guy that had an old Volvo coming up to Moon miles.
He listed 10 things that make all the difference.
I can't remember them all, but;
1, find a good mechanic/garage that you trust, and stick with them/him.
2, always use genuine parts. He said; "I like to keep my Volvo a genuine Volvo".
3, have the engine oil changed regularly.
4, never put your foot down hard, before the engine is fully warmed up.
5, warm the engine down for a minute or so before switching off, especially after high a speed run.
Can't remember the rest!
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Post by steve63 on Oct 24, 2020 21:37:56 GMT 1
Well, the Insignia MOT went well, straight through, no issues. Service done. £220. No complaints. The garage is near my works, I drop it off, walk the rest of the way to work and pick it up on the way home. Works for me.
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