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Post by avb on Oct 6, 2020 17:15:57 GMT 1
I've got the triumph calipers on my hybrid. Fitted new pads which are flat at the bottom as in no curve to follow the disc. Anyone else got this set up.? Could they check the pads to see if there square or curved on the bottom edge
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Post by flames on Oct 6, 2020 18:03:51 GMT 1
I have triumph calipers, haven't changed the pads yet but the pads fitted are flat at the bottom and sit below the swept area in the middle. I have been advised ok to use like this, but I am probably going to remove some pad material so it is only touching the swept area. Mine are going on xj600 front end which is basically the same disc etc as early PV.
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Post by avb on Oct 6, 2020 18:05:57 GMT 1
Cheers Might just by some ebc pads as they seem to be curved
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Post by flames on Oct 6, 2020 18:06:17 GMT 1
Having said that your disc is different to mine. Mine has metal all the way round the inside of breaking area. Yours is open? If mine were open like that I probably wouldn't bother with removing material.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 6, 2020 21:13:24 GMT 1
I get the feeling the Triumph runs a wider swept area on the disc compared to what you are running
Steve
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Post by rich on Oct 6, 2020 21:23:45 GMT 1
I'd keep an eye on it, last thing you want is the pads meeting in the middle when they wear down!
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Post by mannanan on Oct 7, 2020 14:03:44 GMT 1
I fitted new pads (flat across the bottom) earlier this year when I changed my original callipers for those off a Triumph Daytona 955i. As you can see from the pictures, my pads don’t seem to be as low on the disk as yours. Don’t know why that is and all I can add is my discs are original.
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Post by avb on Oct 7, 2020 15:11:54 GMT 1
theyve only started wearing the disc with these new gold fren pads.the last set were the same make and didnt wear like this.lokks like the dremel is coming out
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Post by JonW on Oct 9, 2020 0:07:17 GMT 1
Just grind the bottom part of the pad material off where its not contacting the disk, wear a mask when you do it of course. If left too long the pad will eventually bottom out. Ive seen this on cars where bigger calipers have been fitted and they over hang on the outside, in that case they meet in the middle and stop the brake working properly as they pivot where they meet. scary.
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Post by avb on Oct 9, 2020 18:30:25 GMT 1
well the dremel did its job will try and buy the curved pads if goldfren dont do them anymore spotted ebc are curved
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 3, 2022 12:41:49 GMT 1
I've just dug this old thread up as i am thinking about using these Trumph calipers. Can anyone tell me if there are more models of bike that are using the same calipers?
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Post by JonW on Feb 4, 2022 4:19:58 GMT 1
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Post by freddie19 on Feb 4, 2022 6:29:25 GMT 1
FZR400 3TJ front calipers will bolt straight on.
Also FZR250 3LN I think they are, will also fit. Both have 83mm bolt spacings!
I've got both sets and still haven't gotten round to fitting them to my bikes!😩😁
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 4, 2022 10:28:36 GMT 1
Thanks for the answers Chaps.
Jon I've read your site a few times but missed that section.
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 4, 2022 11:57:41 GMT 1
Another question for those using this upgrade is how effective are they.
To be honest i've never had a problem with the original set up you just have to adjust yourself to squeeze harder on the lever, and vice versus with modern brakes.
The R6 setup on my LC is brutal and i often think about going down to one disc. With this setup it's always in the back of my mind that if i panic brake just a bit im off. I have tried tried to use one finger on the lever but this always feels wrong and uncomfortable. I use the 3rd and fourth fingers. On a standardish 4LO set up i use all four which feel more natural to me.
Peoples front braking habits might be a bit off topic but i would be very interested to hear about other peoples methods and opinions.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 4, 2022 12:24:09 GMT 1
When I've built hybrids with blue/silver spots it has been OTT but helps as my hands/wrists do get sore when riding so the lack of application force appeals to me
My 385 has 6 pots and a Fazer 1000 master and they are similar if not a little worse as initial bite is a little grabby but that may be the sintered pads and Galfer discs
I remember back in the day the front tyre on my lc2 would squeal braking so brakes seemed fine
I did however have an episode on the 3hm1 which had the bigger floating discs with the standard 2 pot calipers where I was distracted and the traffic slowed and feck I wanted more brakes
I put it down to the pads probably hadn't bedded in properly yet but certainly woke me up
I'm using xjr400 forks on my current lc hybrid which are 83mm mounts so using xj6 calipers
2 pistons on one side and slides. Will be interesting to see how they perform. If they can stop a modern xj6...
Steve
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Post by JonW on Feb 4, 2022 12:58:10 GMT 1
I always like a lot of front brakes but yes some of these 4pots can be overkill and 1 side would be more than enough in most riding.
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 4, 2022 13:02:41 GMT 1
I always like a lot of front brakes but yes some of these 4pots can be overkill and 1 side would be more than enough in most riding. What do you think about the Triumph setup?
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Post by JonW on Feb 4, 2022 13:25:42 GMT 1
Its not always easy to tell, not everyone likes the same with brakes. Some like short travel and sharp take up, some like lots of lever travel and more feel. some like me dont use the rear very much so rely on good fronts, but that also means good front tyre and forks etc.
Anyway, The bike in question hasnt travelled very far with the triumphs fitted and in that time its had the OEM 5/8 master and also a brembo 18/19 (i think) radial from an RSVR Mille R thing. I think its very different in feel between those and that you can do a lot with a master setup to get more of less feel/pull etc. I have the OEM 5/8 now and I quite like it, but feel could be improved I think.
I like messing with the feel of brakes to get something I like the feel of, but this system feels less vicious to me than the all Brembo setup from the RSVR on RGV forks on a ypvs for example. I also think it was a bit more bitey than the triumph 6 pots on my RGV forked LC, but that has a mix of hoses and a 14mm master which was much nicer to me than the 5/8 i had previously.
I think its all about balance really. I do think if you were racing you could get away with one brake caliper on an RGV fork/wheel setup with brembos to save weight, but i think with the small disks and triumphs on the ypvs that its ok for road use.
I have a mate who fitted one 6 pot tokico to his ypvs on an early R1 (i think) disk and loved it. no idea on master tho.
I have another mate with Triumphs and 5/8 master and loves them on his N1. Others have fitted them and liked them so i think its a good combo. Interested to hear what you think.
HTH Tony.
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Post by abar121 on Feb 4, 2022 13:40:25 GMT 1
I have some triumph calipers, HH pads and an FZ1 master cylinder on my F1.
A really big improvement and about perfect for the weedy stock forks. Thinking about switching it out for an FZR250 2KR front wheel with that massive single front disk. My 1KT race bike had a similar setup and worked great with loads of feel, lap after lap.
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Post by totty79 on Feb 4, 2022 13:52:16 GMT 1
When upgraded brakes feel a bit vicious and grabby check if you're using HH or GG pads, and also see how it feels after a few miles. I'm not sure if it's common, but I've noticed some pads get grabby when they haven't been used for a while. The pads on my R1-z do this and it's quite over braked with a Brembo setup off an Aprilia but I haven't really noticed it on other bikes.
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 6, 2022 9:30:28 GMT 1
Its not always easy to tell, not everyone likes the same with brakes. Some like short travel and sharp take up, some like lots of lever travel and more feel. some like me dont use the rear very much so rely on good fronts, but that also means good front tyre and forks etc. Anyway, The bike in question hasnt travelled very far with the triumphs fitted and in that time its had the OEM 5/8 master and also a brembo 18/19 (i think) radial from an RSVR Mille R thing. I think its very different in feel between those and that you can do a lot with a master setup to get more of less feel/pull etc. I have the OEM 5/8 now and I quite like it, but feel could be improved I think. I like messing with the feel of brakes to get something I like the feel of, but this system feels less vicious to me than the all Brembo setup from the RSVR on RGV forks on a ypvs for example. I also think it was a bit more bitey than the triumph 6 pots on my RGV forked LC, but that has a mix of hoses and a 14mm master which was much nicer to me than the 5/8 i had previously. I think its all about balance really. I do think if you were racing you could get away with one brake caliper on an RGV fork/wheel setup with brembos to save weight, but i think with the small disks and triumphs on the ypvs that its ok for road use. I have a mate who fitted one 6 pot tokico to his ypvs on an early R1 (i think) disk and loved it. no idea on master tho. I have another mate with Triumphs and 5/8 master and loves them on his N1. Others have fitted them and liked them so i think its a good combo. Interested to hear what you think. HTH Tony. Hi Jon ive messed around with the sizes of master cylinders before and it can make quite a difference. I like a 13mm master cylinder for the standard calipers.
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 6, 2022 9:31:05 GMT 1
I have some triumph calipers, HH pads and an FZ1 master cylinder on my F1. A really big improvement and about perfect for the weedy stock forks. Thinking about switching it out for an FZR250 2KR front wheel with that massive single front disk. My 1KT race bike had a similar setup and worked great with loads of feel, lap after lap. Yes i really like that idea.
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Post by mannanan on Feb 6, 2022 13:01:26 GMT 1
All I can add is that its two years since I fitted the Triumph callipers to my F2 and the difference for me is huge. Standard MC, soft GG pads and it suits my braking perfectly. I have the original callipers all nicely rebuilt but no intention of refitting them because the Triumph ones give so much more confidence.
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Post by Chewie01 on Feb 6, 2022 15:17:50 GMT 1
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 6, 2022 15:39:22 GMT 1
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