F*":n bas*" & # mutha

[st66]

Excuse the language but on a raging scale of 1 to 10 I'm at 20000000.,,,, so as I'm sat in my ass waiting for interviews wich never arrive and job hunting, I thought ile go in garage and do a bit on the hybrid,, new engine studs for head and casings sat so oh il need to take the old ones out, they look like nails in the ark,, and as I removed the first one old two nut trick,, I was correct so I soaked them all for a good hr in penetrateing oil,, bit tight at first but crack and all came out except one,,, so sat a bit longer more spray shite,,, and I have another go,, the long one for the right barrel on the back in centre of the casing sure you all know,, I first tighten it then slacken it back and forwards ever so slightly and nope ain't moving,, 🤔🤔so I'm like ile heat it up a tad but oh I've no gas, feck,,, so I try again and you can see its twisting the stud itself. Now my mind says leave the f**k alone till you heat it,, nah that gets coming out,,, and yep you guessed it the sod snaps just below the dowel hieght,,, so after a second I'm not so bad drill and tap it 😁😁so punched the top of the broke stud a little 3/8drill as a pilot hole and we're rockin here like,, 😁 ran a 5mm mm down it OK so far,, I put the last drill down it and it's of centre??? Punches a tiny hole in the case at the rear I just caught it but wasn't happy, yes I did it by hand and I know better but the damage gets worse,,, I decide that wots left of the stud ain't coming out feck it I run a to mm down it being carefully not to go though,, so now I've got half a stud stuck in a mess of a hole much bigger than it should be by atleast half again,,, grrrrr left it had a bath and know I'm thinking do I fill the hole with weld and just tap it,, I need to make a jig for the hole to drill or do I bolt on the barrel and go through from the top as its the angle of the dangle that the issue,, does anyone know the torque of this stud as I'm thinking if it's massive will rhe weld hold in the caseing,,, so all in all a two min job ended up as four hrs in the garage,, and to top it off I've to make tea,?? Eh wtf it's your turn, babe, oh but I've been busy tiding the house you've done nowt just been in the garage,,,, 🙄🙄🙄🙄. Count to ten the voice said,,,

[dusty350]

Welcome to our world !

[midlifecrisisrd]

Ah the joys of near 40 year old bikes 🙄

Steve

[4l04ever]

Less haste, more speed!

[tony2stroke]

Its always the 10 min jobs that turn into days 

[shaunthe2nd]

Feel your pain. You didn't said what you had for tea!

[headcoats]

I did this on the first bike and got all the old studs out until the last one that snapped !

Drilled it and used the Devil tool, an easy out extractor LOL and that snapped in the drilled stud !!!

Had to find a local firm that "spark eroded " it out

[damiensk]

its always the last one, barsteward!!!

[Deleted]

I made steak and chips for tea and didn't break anything in the workshop. Ying and yang. I'll probably be on the other side of it tomorrow :-)

[headcoats]

Get a local engineering shop to fit a timesert as it needs an enlarged hole to fit one

[st66]

Cheers guys. L,, tomato soup for tea with half a loaf of uncut bread quick easy lush lol,,, the holes big enough to get the piston in it lol. No pics coz I'm ashamed lol,, well maybe later, so I take it there not huge torque the barrell studs it's the one for the head tho I think so wots that guys,, debateing whether to weld it with tig or just lumirod it,,,

[flames]

Aug 18, 2020 18:57:11 GMT 1 damiensk said:

its always the last one, barsteward!!!

Heard this one before so I have a plan.....when I remove mine j shall only remove 7. Then I will put 1 back but only finger tight. Then I will remove the 8th one which is no longer the last one....the last one is now the finger tight one.


Wish I knew a trick to help you out bud, but you would have far more knowledge than me anyways. Hope you get sorted soon.

[st66]

Headcoats mate ile just fill the hole to the top of the case mate and re tap,,, there's a little bit of the stud still left in about 6mm high by say 1/4 of the original width the pig justwon't budge,,if I fill the entire hole with all I've some supper sharp drill bits that will eat it no bother,,, 👍

[st66]

I wouldn't say that flames mate lol but it's a sound way of thinking your plan mate wish I'd done it lol,,, ile go take some pics so you can all have a wtf moment lol

[flames]

Aug 18, 2020 19:13:51 GMT 1 st66 said:

Cheers guys. L,, tomato soup for tea with half a loaf of uncut bread quick easy lush lol,,, the holes big enough to get the piston in it lol. No pics coz I'm ashamed lol,, well maybe later, so I take it there not huge torque the barrell studs it's the one for the head tho I think so wots that guys,, debateing whether to weld it with tig or just lumirod it,,,

If you are going to weld it I would tig it. Lumiweld looks good for certain stuff, but having watched u tube videos that have tested the welds, I wouldn't want to use on something so critical.

[Deleted]

I apologise if this is a bit sucking eggs. Head studs can be a pain and the solution is heat, brake fluid as a penetrating fluid, patience, and even more heat and even more patience. Brake fluid can take 24hrs to do it's corrosive best. The problem with the 2 nuts trick is it puts all the stress on the end of threaded part where as a stud extractor grips the none threaded part. You can use some quality mole (vice) grips on the none threaded bit if a stud extractor is not available.

[flames]

Aug 18, 2020 19:21:16 GMT 1 st66 said:

I wouldn't say that flames mate lol but it's a sound way of thinking your plan mate wish I'd done it lol,,, ile go take some pics so you can all have a wtf moment lol

Mate I once struggled to start a cb125 and after attacking it with a lot of rage and a sledgehammer I invented the banana frame. That was a 'no coming back' moment.

Pics as embarrassing as they may seem, may give someone an idea to try.

[st66]

Mellor mate no it's cool mate I should know better and was going to heat it but I've not got half the equipment I had at work in my garage as I'm not working it was a needs must kind of thing mate but it's cool 👍

[st66]

Well just washed the tea dishes and popped into the garage for few pics, so wish I hadn't,, wtf was I thinking,, but its fixable just glad it didn't go the other way into the water gallery,,,,

[flames]

Is it not still possible to drill it if it is jigged up in a pillar drill?

[st66]

Yeah would think so flames mate a pillar would be 100%better,, next investment I think lol 👍 but I had it by hand up till the last go them popped through, the rest is damage by trying to drill around the stud to get it out,, I could just pillar it with a big drill then fill the hole,, be easy to just lumirod it but I see wot you mean about it being a key part,, just not sure on the stresses involved in the torque down I mean if its only 40 to 80 newton meters. I could just helicoil it or tap it when it's filled,,, ile have to look up the specs,,, it looks bad tho eh lol🤔

[flames]

Not as bad as I was expecting it to be. Still looks salvageable. Could have been a lot worse.

[st66]

Yeah mate it could have been but ile do something to the point of no return coz after that it's feckd lol so I was approaching wot I thought was the oh no its feckd point so I stopped pmsl.,, head bolt, /nut,, torque only 17nm like around 25lbft,, That's hand tight jesus lol can't be right,,, but its cool can happen to the best of us mate,,,

[flames]

Torque sounds about right for head bolts. Think it's about 20 or 22 lb on LC off top of me head. Not sure how tight studs are in cases tho.

[tony2stroke]

Its not that bad, I have seen worse, I would go with a timesert as mentioned earlier by someone, patients grasshopper, you need lots of it with these old bits and plenty of ACF50 or the like, at least a 24 hr period for it to work correctly or more and keep applying it every couple of hours, though I am sure you already know the error of your ways here mate.

[st66]

Cheers Tony,, yep I do re the error, lol., you've seen worse,??, it's maybe just me it's just very rarely fck owt up as I'm a bit of a fan I guess,, but when I do it's a good one lol,, if someone had brought me that to fix I'd be wtf pal lol.,, it goes against the grain to know I did it 😂

[muttsnuts]

I have a jig for holding the top case as I widen and trench them, the jig fixes to my milling machine so that the casing is square to the quill, which means that could be machined out using an end mill.

The best fix would be to remove the old broken stud and then weld the case up and remake the hole etc, but that starts getting expensive

[st66]

How much would you charge to fix that mutts mate,?

[tony2stroke]

Aug 18, 2020 21:09:04 GMT 1 st66 said:

Cheers Tony,, yep I do re the error, lol., you've seen worse,??, it's maybe just me it's just very rarely fck owt up as I'm a bit of a fan I guess,, but when I do it's a good one lol,, if someone had brought me that to fix I'd be wtf pal lol.,, it goes against the grain to know I did it 😂

We are a bit alike, want it done yesterday at all and any cost, I said I was going to do it and do it I shall or cluck it up entirely 

Yup, I have done worse myself, I wont give up until its done or done in completely, I am getting more patient as the years go by though, patience is the best tool in your arsenal.

I have a pair of adjustable plumbers pliers with sharp teeth, they have teeth on an angle, the more pressure you put on them the tighter they grip, like stillsons do, I find they do the job on stubborn items, you just have to use them the right way round or they just spin, again same as stillsons do, or stillsons do the same job, but as someone said you need to grip the unthreaded part, but even then the stud can snap at the start of the threaded part leaving you in the same mess, typically done on exhaust studs, my guess there is the heating up and cooling down constantly softens the stud, don't know if that is the case or not but that's my theory, I have a lot of crazy theories with no evidence to back it up 

[muttsnuts]

Aug 18, 2020 21:39:09 GMT 1 st66 said:

How much would you charge to fix that mutts mate,?

to just machine it out I reckon around £35, to weld it all up, dress and make it look like new I reckon £75 to £85 depending upon how much welding and dressing up is required

Belive it or not, the longest job is setting it all up on the milling machine, getting it perfectly true and set is the part that takes the time, clocking it all up can take ages sometimes, old adage, measure twice, cut once !