Flames TFI Build

[flames]

Hello All

Figured it was time to start a new thread for my TFI Build. Why TFI i hear you ask....

Well it is for 2 reasons....

Firstly it's the 'Thanks For (the) Inspiration' build. This is because of all the wonderful builds on here that have made me determined to get mine done and done properly. No more overlooking details that make a special 'special'. My previous build thread lost its way somewhat, mainly down to seizures (bike, not me) and detonation problems.
Again this was mostly due to me being in a rush and having a 'that will do' attitude to get the thing on the road.As i say, this time will be different and is going to get done properly and methodically. I am not saying this will be a no expense spared build because unfortunately the boss has other idea's and we are not made of money. So there will be things i would like to buy, or have made etc that wont be done to start with as things will need to be prioritized. One of these being a metmachex swingarm. I would love to have one and plan to do so but I will have to sell my SRAD to fund this and as it is my only ride it will need to wait
until this build is finished.

The 2nd reason is when i do finally get this thing built , it will be moved to the finished builds section and title doubled up to be'Thank F@ck (its) Finished ' build. .

Please bear with me on this, i have a lot of pics to go through so will post this in a few sections.....

Anyhow I am going to start this thread a little differently than normal and post some garage pics up because my garage was rammed with stuff and i couldn't move / do anything in there because i am a hopeless hoarder of tat!!! We hired a skip the other week and got rid of loads but still not enough but i have finally made a little room and a couple of benches to boot. Not sure if i have mentioned being a tight arse before? but i am also quite handy at re cycling so here are some pictures of the work benches i have made.

1st one is made from a dining table which we replaced earlier in the year, An old circular wooden garden table and some re cycled worktop. The section on the right with the vice is solid with 4 x 2 filling the void between dining table and wooden top which is made from an old potting table. The section on the left with old worktop has been left empty underneath for bonus storage space.

DSC_0158 by Flames34, on Flickr

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Note wooden stool to rest my weary legs.

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I then decided i need a welding bench. I am not a welder BTW but i can make 2 pieces of metal stick together but i do enjoy it and is something i have practiced for a few years and would like to get back into it and hopefully improve. Anyway this was joined on to the workbench and was made with more of the wooden circular garden bench for the legs, and old swing seat for the frame of the top and some free off cut metal from work. i was given 3 sheets 5mm thick 1500 by 500. All 3 are just layed on top at the moment. I intend welding one on, then using one of the other sheets to make a 'shield' kind of thing so i can weld in winter without having to empty bikes etc outside.

DSC_0154 by Flames34, on Flickr

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Garage still has plenty of junk in to keep me happy, but i do have some space to work in.

DSC_0173 by Flames34, on Flickr

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All in all the 2 benches cost me nothing. I know they are not the best but they are solid and will certainly be good enough for what i need.

Anyhow. That is enough of the garage.
So now the starting point of my build....this is not the original starting point more the 'where i got to point' with my slap together so i can ride point

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They were taken not long after the garage was put up . Long before i filled it with tat.

I recently got the bug again after not going near lc for a few years and sized up KR1 wheels which i posted on my Heath Robinson Mock up thread. I wont bore you with all of them but here is one with them in

DSC_0106 by Flames34, on Flickr

I since decided i was going to keep standard wheels but have now had a change of heart. I currently have fz600 forks and yokes fitted which need no work done to fit. I also have an XJ600 front wheel and discs which bolts in and is in the same style as early PV wheels so i am now planning on getting a PV rear and this will be fitted into the LC swingarm. I toyed with the idea of fitting PV swingarm and converting to full floater suspension but after messaging Dusty decided against this idea partly due to the extra weight but mostly because i would have to lose the airbox and run filters which is not something i wish to do at this point.

The bike has been stripped down and now sits with lc rear wheel and XJ600 front in the XJ forks and yokes. Like an idiot , a while back i decided it was a good idea to cut off the rear of the main frame and the seat catch tabs so i could fit a tz single seat unit. This plan has been knocked on the head also.....if only i took the time to think things through instead of going at it like a bull in a china shop. Luckily the hoarder in me means all the tabs, tangs and bits of frame are still in my possession and can be re fitted.

Here is the unfortunate rear end with 'bits missing'....

DSC_0188 by Flames34, on Flickr

Years ago after a major tank slapper ( which was very regular for some reason) the lock stop broke off. The back street garage i took it to to get mot'd decided a temp repair was needed and duly welded on an old bolt with chicken shit. This is going to need replacing with something more appropriate and also re locating to give a usable lock. Ignition switch fits yokes (unlike the lc clocks) however doesn't line up to enable the steering to be locked so this will also need sorting.

The lock stop......

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This next pic has fzr 1000 / tzr 250 calipers loosely fitted. The bottom caliper mount lines up nicely unfortunately the top one does not. I may try some different calipers in the hope i can find something that will fit without the need for extra brackets to be used. Not sure if it is possible and if not i am not opposed to them i would just prefer not to have to use them.

DSC_0185 by Flames34, on Flickr

Last one for now... i had Raask rearsets fitted from years ago which although i liked the positioning my knees are not so keen anymore. A very kind forum member gave me a set of cut hangers which are fitted. The pegs ,gear change etc from the raask's wont work in standard positioning on these hangers. I will probably get the kit needed to use them as they were intended but would want to change the pegs which i presume is possible? if not i may adapt to use the Raask sets but
with a little bit more forgiving positioning.

Anyhow this post feels a helluva lot longer than i intended it to be so i am going to leave it here for now. Hope i haven't bored you too much. I do have a few pics of some issues found with the motor so far etc but will save these for another post as this one is boring me now, i bet no one reads all the way down this far.

[arrdy350]

Interesting project flames. Enjoy it and good luck with the build 👍

[stusco]

I liked it with the lc wheels very cool

[dusty350]

Looks like a good start to your project
I like the Pv wheel design with the holes rather than the later slotted type. Early ones are a bit heavier, but not enough to make a difference on an Lc.
And that bolt lock stop !!
Look forward to your progress

Dusty

[oldbritguy]

That looks a great project plus you have a nice big workshop too.
Also agree that the blue lc wheels look great.
Looking forward to this one evolving.
John

[skilpadda]

I like your workshop. 😉

[rattler]

Good luck with the build, i'm looking forward to watching the progress

[2taol]

interesting thread and project!
will be interesting to see how the journey goes.

that is som bodgery job for the lock stop!

[JonW]

The lock stop is a classic!

Loving the effort to get room and start the work.

Whats the story with the BMW?

[sidney81]

Great starting point ☺️👍

[flames]

Aug 17, 2020 0:24:17 GMT 1 JonW said:

The lock stop is a classic!

Loving the effort to get room and start the work.

Whats the story with the BMW?

We bought a V50 to use for camping , we were offered £300 on a trade in for the bmw but I hadn't long had tyres fitted that cost that, so I said I would rather keep it. It's a 318is coupe (1.9 petrol) so is never going to be worth anything but is in great nic and only 74000 on clock.still starts 1st turn of key, but needs discs n pads etc as they have rusted. Plan to put it back on road in the future as I loved driving it.

[JonW]

That 1.9 engine was a peach, i remember when they first came out. Defo worth keeping, most of those 3 series rotted out

[flames]

Aug 17, 2020 13:37:40 GMT 1 JonW said:

That 1.9 engine was a peach, i remember when they first came out. Defo worth keeping, most of those 3 series rotted out

Mine was well looked after. And was while I was using. Was washed at least once a week without fail including inside wheel arches which seemed to be a weak point. No rust on bodywork but a bit on chassis etc. The old boy who had it before me had it from nearly new and was obviously on his own because the carpets and mats are like new. Just before I stood it up I had to fit the spare because I got a puncture. The spare was a brand new alloy with the paper label still attached. I was gutted I had to fit it. Every time I get in to start it I think' I really want this back on the road'.

[flames]

Not too much to update but my new triumph calipers arrived this week. Fit quite well....


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Centre of the pads sits against the inner part of the carrier......

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Anyone else had this? Any thoughts on the best way around it? preferably without the need to run bonus brackets.....

Have also bought a pv rear wheel to match the front. Should be collecting in couple of weeks. Also got sprocket carrier in readiness. Just rear caliper carrier to get and then i can start sizing up the rear and get matching wheels on.

[sidney81]

Cool looking callipers 😎

[4l04ever]

It looks like the pads are using a different swept area of the disc, but does not look a problem if the disc is still fairly unworn. You could cut some of the pad material away if you don't like it that way.

[flames]

There is a bit of a step, I was more concerned over whether it would cause the pad to 'rock' and wear uneven . I thought about removing pad material. I also thought of having the non swept area skimmed so it sits lower. Will probably remove so pad material just to be sure.

[flames]

little bit more done today, remember this little bodge below....?

DSC_0183 by Neil Cleland, on Flickr

I decided to remove the bodge in preparation to get it sorted. I thought about taking the easy way out and use a grinder with cutting disk but knowing how I am akin to the proverbial 'bull in a china shop', decided a hacksaw was the safest option. Unfortunately the bull reared its ugly head anyway even though I was trying to be very careful. Nothing major but I managed to cut a diagonal slot in the bearing cup. Turns out it isn't as bad as the deformed cup from the previous bodge.....anyway after hacksaw, grinding wheel , sand paper and wet and dry , it is starting to look nearly ready to weld a better version of lock stop.

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The few marks and scrapes I intend to fill with chemical metal as they are not too deep. I could feel a groove in the bottom bearing cup at the front where the bolt had been welded. I flipped the frame over to reveal this.....


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It doesn't look good, and has pi55ed me off no end. I am hoping as it is only the cup part and i will be going with taper roller bearings this time that it wont cause too much of an issue......I stand to be corrected though if anyone thinks otherwise?

I removed the tab from an old XJ frame and cleaned up so I could use on LC frame, not sure if this is what i am going to do now with the damage done from the previous weld. I am thinking maybe bending some metal in an L shape and welding to the narrower tube so it hangs down in to place rather than welding to the cup part.
Lug still on XJ frame

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Lug not on XJ frame

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And finally cleaned up and shaped ready to weld if I use it...

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I also need to sort the steering lock. As it stands with the standard tab on the frame but running FZ top yoke, the tab is in the right place but needs flipping over as the lock mechanism on the ignition switch sits below the tab. I can't take material from the yoke where the switch bolts as the ignition housing wont be able to go through the hoop. I am reluctant to remove the tab as I don't want to risk cutting into the frame so am thinking of welding a plate down from the tab. Not sure if this is a good idea or not. The other option would be to fit the tab from the XJ but that is a bigger chunk of metal to fit...

LC tab that needs flipping over so the tab hangs down.....

2020-09-06_02-24-02 by Neil Cleland, on Flickr

XJ version of steering lock. This is more meaty but also looks more solid so may be the better way to go.....

2020-09-06_02-24-36 by Neil Cleland, on Flickr

I also need to work out how I am going weld the 2 bits to the rear of the frame that I decided was a good idea to cut off. As well as digging out the tabs that the rear of the airbox bolts to on the frame. Once i have all these little bits sorted out I will need to buy some welding wire as mine has gone scabby as it has sat in the welded in the garage for a few years without being used. I will also need to re practice welding as I have not done any for ages.....and i was a long way from professional in the first place, but am confident that once I have it set up on like for like metal all will be good.

As stated in my earlier post, I should be collecting a matching rear wheel in a couple of weeks so will work out rear brake , M/cylinder and all the gubbins so once I have set the welder up I can weld everything in one go.

When I fit the taper bearings what seals and washers etc will I need ? Or does everything I need come in kit form?

No rush for any of that yet, got plenty to be getting on with already.

[donkeychomp]

So...just a few jobs to do then! I do like this build matey, keep up the good work.

Alex

[2taol]

good work.
these builds are great for learning problem solving !