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Post by icarus001 on Jul 2, 2020 11:29:47 GMT 1
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Post by hoist1 on Jul 2, 2020 14:42:07 GMT 1
For that level of money, worth an independent inspection. It’s basically a not particularly powerful bike for the cc, and it’s pretty much a vfr, so I would trust it. Is the price fair?
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Post by stusco on Jul 2, 2020 16:16:51 GMT 1
I cant help you but it does look the dogs but thats gamma money!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 17:39:15 GMT 1
VFR800 in posh clothes For that money I'd be looking at an RC30. In fact for that money I'd be looking at a terraced house in Liverpool and getting £400pcm for the rent....
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Post by hoist1 on Jul 2, 2020 20:16:36 GMT 1
Or an NC35 for £5000, and not much slower in the real world.
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Post by hoist1 on Jul 2, 2020 20:19:03 GMT 1
Makes the vfr750/800 look cheap, I want something lighter than mine and might get a 400.
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Post by hoist1 on Jul 2, 2020 20:46:23 GMT 1
Wouldn’t let the fact it’s Craig’s put you off the bike if that’s what they go for, can’t say I have been keeping track. I would get a 400 and pep it up, even fit a 750 engine, they will close the gap on the RCs in time and the way things are going that won’t be so long.
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 3, 2020 3:06:51 GMT 1
VFR800 in posh clothes For that money I'd be looking at an RC30. In fact for that money I'd be looking at a terraced house in Liverpool and getting £400pcm for the rent.... Ha, in theory yes, but a terraced house for £35k in a place where they're that cheap for a reason, is going to cause you a lot more headaches than an RC45.
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 3, 2020 3:09:47 GMT 1
I cant help you but it does look the dogs but thats gamma money! I know. I'm still looking at that Gamma 500 in Sheffield every couple of days, but after a few minutes I imagine myself going for a ride on it - I get suited up, put my helmet on, put the keys in the ignition....and then notice the big pool of petrol under the bike, then it doesn't start and I curse the day I ever bought the bloody thing A bloke at the NERDOC told me the two happiest days of his 500 ownership were the day he bought it, and the day he sold it.
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Post by tacky1 on Jul 3, 2020 4:38:26 GMT 1
I cant help you but it does look the dogs but thats gamma money! I know. I'm still looking at that Gamma 500 in Sheffield every couple of days, but after a few minutes I imagine myself going for a ride on it - I get suited up, put my helmet on, put the keys in the ignition....and then notice the big pool of petrol under the bike, then it doesn't start and I curse the day I ever bought the bloody thing A bloke at the NERDOC told me the two happiest days of his 500 ownership were the day he bought it, and the day he sold it. Yep. One hour of riding is 2 hours of repairing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 7:39:16 GMT 1
I know. I'm still looking at that Gamma 500 in Sheffield every couple of days, but after a few minutes I imagine myself going for a ride on it - I get suited up, put my helmet on, put the keys in the ignition....and then notice the big pool of petrol under the bike, then it doesn't start and I curse the day I ever bought the bloody thing A bloke at the NERDOC told me the two happiest days of his 500 ownership were the day he bought it, and the day he sold it. Yep. One hour of riding is 2 hours of repairing. What absolute b0llocks. My RG500 has been thrashed mercilessly at TD's for the last 7 years. I did change the plugs last year though when it failed to start after it's usual 2 prods on the kickstart.
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Post by stusco on Jul 3, 2020 8:01:47 GMT 1
Ive only had one puddle of petrol when i parked it ,and the road had a big camber and I forgot to turn the petrol off it was leaning over pretty far so one of the carbs overflowed ,but its amazing to thrash i now listen to that suter sound bite and think that sounds like my bike😁
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Post by beardy on Jul 3, 2020 8:58:52 GMT 1
Yep. One hour of riding is 2 hours of repairing. What absolute b0llocks. My RG500 has been thrashed mercilessly at TD's for the last 7 years. I did change the plugs last year though when it failed to start after it's usual 2 prods on the kickstart. It sounds like yours gets used which is the best thing. Garage queens like to throw a tantrum
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Post by dave1w on Jul 3, 2020 10:24:27 GMT 1
I like the idea of some of these VFR750s converted to look like an RVF
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 3, 2020 10:25:17 GMT 1
Yep. One hour of riding is 2 hours of repairing. What absolute b0llocks. My RG500 has been thrashed mercilessly at TD's for the last 7 years. I did change the plugs last year though when it failed to start after it's usual 2 prods on the kickstart. Never owned one, I just know a mate that has one rarely comes out on it because it's always playing up, but to be fair it's probably lack of use, I have the same from most of my two strokes if I leave them for months with manky petrol. I do also worry about the complexity and the lack of people that can work on them, I can fix all my parallel twins myself, but once it gets to V4 500's I'm a bit wary as I'm not a proper mechanic and they do take a skill level that many don't have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 11:06:37 GMT 1
What absolute b0llocks. My RG500 has been thrashed mercilessly at TD's for the last 7 years. I did change the plugs last year though when it failed to start after it's usual 2 prods on the kickstart. Never owned one, I just know a mate that has one rarely comes out on it because it's always playing up, but to be fair it's probably lack of use, I have the same from most of my two strokes if I leave them for months with manky petrol. I do also worry about the complexity and the lack of people that can work on them, I can fix all my parallel twins myself, but once it gets to V4 500's I'm a bit wary as I'm not a proper mechanic and they do take a skill level that many don't have. It's a 2 stroke. That's the beauty and simplicity of these engines It's only 2 parallel twins bolted together. An RG has a few odd bits different to an LC or RGV but not many. It's a clutch a cassette gearbox and 2 x cranks, 2 x heads and 4 x barrels and carbs and a few wires and cables. It's not that complicated like say an RC45.....
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 3, 2020 11:17:00 GMT 1
Never owned one, I just know a mate that has one rarely comes out on it because it's always playing up, but to be fair it's probably lack of use, I have the same from most of my two strokes if I leave them for months with manky petrol. I do also worry about the complexity and the lack of people that can work on them, I can fix all my parallel twins myself, but once it gets to V4 500's I'm a bit wary as I'm not a proper mechanic and they do take a skill level that many don't have. It's a 2 stroke. That's the beauty and simplicity of these engines It's only 2 parallel twins bolted together. An RG has a few odd bits different to an LC or RGV but not many. It's a clutch a cassette gearbox and 2 x cranks, 2 x heads and 4 x barrels and carbs and a few wires and cables. It's not that complicated like say an RC45..... I think a lot of people take the view of "how hard can it be", but there are no shortage of people asking for advice because they're stuck, despite having manuals and stuff. People who are good at putting them together are usually booked up months in advance because not everyone can do it. A bit like plastering, it looks easy until you try it yourself.
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Post by steve h on Jul 3, 2020 12:40:01 GMT 1
If you have the dosh... and want one...buy one. Just have a good scout around and don't just settle for that dealers offering. There is a thread here about their behaviour.
Yeah.. plastering is a real knack...I've known a couple of plasterers who don't even have the knack.... they only have it if you include the three letters "ers" on the end....
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Post by tacky1 on Jul 3, 2020 16:01:54 GMT 1
Yep. One hour of riding is 2 hours of repairing. What absolute b0llocks. My RG500 has been thrashed mercilessly at TD's for the last 7 years. I did change the plugs last year though when it failed to start after it's usual 2 prods on the kickstart. Jeez, it’s a joke. Lighten up 😂😂😂 I ride both mine weekly and no probs with either of them, 🧨🧨👍👍
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jul 3, 2020 19:30:49 GMT 1
Is that Now the ground that norbo took over a year to get a v5 for an rd500 he bought
Was an absolute shambles
Steve
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Post by hoist1 on Jul 3, 2020 23:02:18 GMT 1
I remember a bike mag test of a 350 ypvs , first model vs vf400, I know it’s a Honda involved but some of the text was ‘for the first time in history a 2 stroke is going to outlast a 4 stroke’. Not saying it’s true but they might have had a point. Put together properly with decent components a 2 stroke can last, have done full rebuilds on 4 stroke multis years ago and never want to again but would happily tackle any 2 stroke. Ah, bliss, no cam chains and tensioners either.
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Post by oldbritguy on Jul 6, 2020 16:44:09 GMT 1
Yup nice bike indeed and a lot of cash too.
Spending that amount I would be shopping around as there are a few out there for sale and may be better value for a cash buyer.
Before you do though, and as Steve says, ask Norbo about his experience with Craig’s Honda. Their after sales and customer relations need a bit of work by all accounts.
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Post by reggieperrin on Jul 19, 2020 12:40:12 GMT 1
Its pretty. It's desirable. They're rare, not many were made. It's still an investment, even at that price as they will continue to go up, just not as much as if you'd bought it 15 years ago.. I've had both. Sold my 45 and kept the RC30 as it's a much nicer bike to ride. You can pick up RC30's for between £25K and £30K now. Bills are going to be expensive for either, finding spare parts is a challenge. Honda have just announced a classic spares package for the RC30, with limited parts being available in Japan. Tanks regularly fetch £2k on ebay or even more if they're in good shape or NOS There's a company called GT Performance Engineering that carry out most of the work on 30's or 45's Not cheap but the work is very good. Mine's off there for some valve work soon, the titanium valves tend to eat the valve seats. The bill will be approx £2,500 I wouldn't part with my 30 ever though. The dream of owning the poster from my wall in 1988 has been worth every penny. Although, when I bought my '30, I only paid £6k for it... Reg
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 13:21:26 GMT 1
There's a company called GT Performance Engineering that carry out most of the work on 30's or 45's Not cheap but the work is very good. Mine's off there for some valve work soon, the titanium valves tend to eat the valve seats. The bill will be approx £2,500 Reg F.K me are they gold plating it.....That lot know how to charge then add another 50% on top as they believe their own hype. Rip off for what they actually do
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Post by reggieperrin on Jul 19, 2020 13:44:31 GMT 1
There's a company called GT Performance Engineering that carry out most of the work on 30's or 45's Not cheap but the work is very good. Mine's off there for some valve work soon, the titanium valves tend to eat the valve seats. The bill will be approx £2,500 Reg F.K me are they gold plating it.....That lot know how to charge then add another 50% on top as they believe their own hype. Rip off for what they actually do I get that, honestly I do. BUT.. They continually invest in making parts for the bike that are no longer available and keep owners like me happy by keeping their bikes running. Plus, they race the bikes and know what needs doing to keep them going well. Spending out on a GTPE overhaul adds more to the value than the cost of the work, not that I'll ever sell it. The true answer is that I wouldn't trust 99% of the Honda dealerships to know what the bike is, let alone actually have someone capable to work on it.. I've been inside a few dealerships and seem what goes on. So, how much would i have to pay to sort something after it's been bodged..? probably as much as sending it to GTPE to start with... Reg
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 17:02:23 GMT 1
F.K me are they gold plating it.....That lot know how to charge then add another 50% on top as they believe their own hype. Rip off for what they actually do I get that, honestly I do. BUT.. They continually invest in making parts for the bike that are no longer available and keep owners like me happy by keeping their bikes running. Plus, they race the bikes and know what needs doing to keep them going well. Spending out on a GTPE overhaul adds more to the value than the cost of the work, not that I'll ever sell it. The true answer is that I wouldn't trust 99% of the Honda dealerships to know what the bike is, let alone actually have someone capable to work on it.. I've been inside a few dealerships and seem what goes on. So, how much would i have to pay to sort something after it's been bodged..? probably as much as sending it to GTPE to start with... Reg And there you go, the self promoting propaganda continually spouted by them and sadly by their customers. It's your money so do with it as you please, but deep down you know they are having your pants down taking photographs and posting it on the internet for everyone to see. I've seen their labour charges for an NSR engine build.....
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Post by Tobyjugs on Jul 19, 2020 17:21:09 GMT 1
My sister lives in Plymouth so if i'm there i usually go into GT motorcycles for a breakfast and oggle at there Honda's. If you have a good look you will find the name Nico Bakker on the parts. I talked to the owner about Nico Bakker not mentioning that i know him. They wanted Nico to build a new chassis which wasn't a problem but Nico wouldn't ship it. They had to come and collect it themselves so the deal fell through.
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Post by veg on Jul 19, 2020 18:25:42 GMT 1
Isn’t that Steve lindsells (ollies dad) place? He raced a Yamaha gts1000 at the Tt from memory the old hub centre steering thing, always liked them ( no doubt got the wrong name 😁)
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Post by Tobyjugs on Jul 19, 2020 20:41:22 GMT 1
Isn’t that Steve lindsells (ollies dad) place? He raced a Yamaha gts1000 at the Tt from memory the old hub centre steering thing, always liked them ( no doubt got the wrong name 😁) I think it's Mike Granger and he raced a GPz 900r at the TT. I'm sure someone will know and probably correct us both
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Post by veg on Jul 19, 2020 21:09:16 GMT 1
It was Steve linsdell on the gts1000 he owned fliwick motorcycles in Bedfordshire so god knows why I thought Plymouth. My mistake.
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