Gord
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Post by Gord on May 31, 2020 21:27:56 GMT 1
Anybody know what’s the best way to lock the clutch center in order to loosen the nut without a special tool?  And the push rod looks like it’s been pretty hot - best to replace it I’m thinking?  Thanks in advance!! |
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Post by hoist1 on May 31, 2020 21:38:57 GMT 1
I have a locking tool and a rattle gun, would not feel confident without, it’s easy to break something. The clutch push rod I think is supposed to look like that.
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Post by Yogi on May 31, 2020 21:58:21 GMT 1
It’s a no brainier really,,,just buy the tool 👌
Or get to pieces of flat metal Bar about 5mm thick and a foot long
Drill and bolt both together in the middle to make scissors then bend about half inch over on both in the same
direction and use to hold the center whilst loosening the nut
Matt 🧸
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Post by Yogi on May 31, 2020 22:00:15 GMT 1
Or an oil filter removal tool if you’ve got one
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Post by Yogi on May 31, 2020 22:04:20 GMT 1
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Post by alankelly on May 31, 2020 22:14:25 GMT 1
Or if you have some old plates laying about how about one of these out of three steels and three friction plates bolted together 😁  Best wishes Al |
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Post by Gord on May 31, 2020 22:15:26 GMT 1
It’s a no brainier really,,,just buy the tool 👌 Or get to pieces of flat metal Bar about 5mm thick and a foot long Drill and bolt both together in the middle to make scissors then bend about half inch over on both in the same direction and use to hold the center whilst loosening the nut Matt 🧸 Good idea thanks! |
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Post by Gord on May 31, 2020 22:17:11 GMT 1
Or if you have some old plates laying about how about one of these out of three steels and three friction plates bolted together 😁 Best wishes Al Brilliant! |
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Post by Yogi on May 31, 2020 22:17:55 GMT 1
It’s a no brainier really,,,just buy the tool 👌 Or get to pieces of flat metal Bar about 5mm thick and a foot long Drill and bolt both together in the middle to make scissors then bend about half inch over on both in the same direction and use to hold the center whilst loosening the nut Matt 🧸 Good idea thanks! If you put a nut and bolt through the ends about an inch back it doubles to hold the flywheel for removal as well Matt 🧸 |
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Post by Yogi on May 31, 2020 22:20:25 GMT 1
Or if you have some old plates laying about how about one of these out of three steels and three friction plates bolted together 😁 Best wishes Al Brilliant! You’ll have to put 2p between the basket and primary to use this method |
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Post by alankelly on May 31, 2020 22:43:40 GMT 1
You’ll have to put 2p between the basket and primary to use this method Yes just make sure it a old 2p as I think the new ones are steel and copper plated?☹️ Better to use a rag or better a piece of flattened 15 copper pipe👍 Best wishes Al |
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Post by JonW on Jun 1, 2020 0:38:31 GMT 1
I used clutch plates bolted together like Alan showed for years with a rag in the gears and it works, but... its said this puts strain in the wrong places so after a few years I then bought the tool and it was so much easier to use as you can just hold it all there and rattle gun the nut off easily.
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Post by JonW on Jun 1, 2020 0:42:21 GMT 1
Also... when inspecting the parts measure all the plates and the spring length. I bet the springs are short and the plates are ok (unless rusty or coming apart) as that seems to be the way on our bikes. Yamaha is really bad at springs... fork springs, clutch springs etc etc all seem to lose their temper quickly.
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Post by Gord on Jun 1, 2020 1:03:28 GMT 1
Also... when inspecting the parts measure all the plates and the spring length. I bet the springs are short and the plates are ok (unless rusty or coming apart) as that seems to be the way on our bikes. Yamaha is really bad at springs... fork springs, clutch springs etc etc all seem to lose their temper quickly. The springs and friction plates both measured ok but the plain discs are blue so I think they should be changed. |
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Post by Gord on Jun 1, 2020 1:04:37 GMT 1
I used clutch plates bolted together like Alan showed for years with a rag in the gears and it works, but... its said this puts strain in the wrong places so after a few years I then bought the tool and it was so much easier to use as you can just hold it all there and rattle gun the nut off easily. I was hoping to get it done tonight but now think I’ll get a tool and do it the right way |
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Post by Tobyjugs on Jun 1, 2020 1:06:13 GMT 1
Also check how rounded the ends of the friction plates are because this helps to shorten the life or your basket if they are worn.  |
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Post by dusty350 on Jun 1, 2020 7:29:15 GMT 1
You don't need many "special" tools to strip and rebuild these, but as you have a couple of Lc's, I think investing in the few that you do need is a really good idea. You can make do - we all have in the past, but a small investment makes life a lot easier and your engine build safer and better ! Norbo sells the clutch holding tool, and a flywheel puller, and I got my flywheel holding tool from ebay easily enough. I use a piece of flattened copper plumbing pipe between the primary and basket gear to lock them - as you are in Canada the old Uk 2 pence piece may not work for you. I've used rag in the past and it works fine. Apart from the usual workshop tools, these are the tools that will make life easier;  27748045979_38dc2e1869_z[1] by dusty miller, on Flickr Flywheel holding tool Flattened copper pipe for locking gears Torque wrench for reassembly Impact driver, although I have a cheap battery rattle gun now that is far less aggressive and much better at remove stubborn fixings Flywheel puller Clutch holding tool A tube of 3 Bond for reassembly and some copper slip, or general purpose grease. I've also got a tub of red rubber grease and various strength thread lock where needed. Dusty  |
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Post by JonW on Jun 1, 2020 7:46:06 GMT 1
great posy Dusty, totally agree
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Post by Gord on Jun 1, 2020 14:14:45 GMT 1
Thanks Dusty. I'm going to get a puller and clutch locking tool. I was wanting to get it apart sooner than later but will wait for the right tools. Our old Cdn pennies were copper as well....if I can find an old 2p in my spare coins from our last trip overseas I use it for sure (good karma I think!)
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Post by chrisg on Jun 1, 2020 19:16:56 GMT 1
Dont mess about. Buy a tool, you will need it again. Clutch baskets are easily damaged and your in a world on problems. I read that you can put the bike in gear and wrap the chain around the small sprocket to lock everything up. DONT DO It, I did and cracked the engine casing on my 400D - F*ck.  |
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Post by Gord on Jun 1, 2020 21:04:39 GMT 1
Dont mess about. Buy a tool, you will need it again. Clutch baskets are easily damaged and your in a world on problems. I read that you can put the bike in gear and wrap the chain around the small sprocket to lock everything up. DONT DO It, I did and cracked the engine casing on my 400D - F*ck. Yikes that’s a tough one. I’ve ordered the tools and will get cracking at it once they arrive |
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Post by chrisg on Jun 1, 2020 22:00:03 GMT 1
You will use it again, dont be tempted to sell it. |
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Post by nokturnal on Jun 2, 2020 2:24:05 GMT 1
Can order a tool from fortnine.ca and get it in a few days.
GPbikes may even have it in stock if you want to drive to Whitby.
I bought the motion pro vice grip version
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Post by Gord on Jun 2, 2020 3:30:36 GMT 1
Can order a tool from fortnine.ca and get it in a few days. GPbikes may even have it in stock if you want to drive to Whitby. I bought the motion pro vice grip version I called Fortnine today and they said they didn’t have it. Ended up ordering from Amazon after calling EBC to make sure I got the right one. Fingers crossed it comes in quickly. |
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Post by nokturnal on Jun 2, 2020 10:46:02 GMT 1
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Post by stusco on Jun 2, 2020 13:50:37 GMT 1
Flywheel puller fits more than one bike so its an investment
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Post by tec14 on Jun 11, 2020 3:42:41 GMT 1
Most likely too late just joined and been doing a tear down on a 1981 350LC I inherited from my friend but this worked like a hot dam and took nothing to make. Use a tie down strap and a golf tee. fold the end into one of the slots and shove a golf tee in to hold it while you wind it up, when you reach the end use the tie down hook on the frame and rock solid 0 time and no damage. New to this so just need to figure how to post a pic.
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Post by JonW on Jun 11, 2020 5:32:58 GMT 1
Er, do you mean locking the basket by one of the tangs? I woudnt do that, they break off.
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Post by doohanno1 on Jun 11, 2020 7:50:59 GMT 1
Most likely too late just joined and been doing a tear down on a 1981 350LC I inherited from my friend but this worked like a hot dam and took nothing to make. Use a tie down strap and a golf tee. fold the end into one of the slots and shove a golf tee in to hold it while you wind it up, when you reach the end use the tie down hook on the frame and rock solid 0 time and no damage. New to this so just need to figure how to post a pic. Fore...😲 |
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Post by marrcel on Jun 11, 2020 9:27:30 GMT 1
Do your self a favor with torque gun. Something like this.  You don’t need a retainer anymore. Just a cloth to protect you bare hands. 👌 |
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