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Post by zig on Mar 30, 2020 11:44:10 GMT 1
Just thought while browsing I have noticed quite a few lad's wanting information on there old 'LC's' / 'YPVS's' ….. wouldn't it be a great idea if there was something on here that would compile the details of forum members bikes of some kind of easier search and find ??
Maybe its been talked about before and YES I can see some problems as regards the bike being sold on and getting lost but at least there would be some kind of paper trail ??
Interesting to hear eeveryone's thoughts and I might have even given something a 'kickstart' with this thread??
ZiG
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Post by bluestone on Apr 15, 2020 18:11:20 GMT 1
ZIG I would also like my old RD back, it was stolen back in '83, and I never though I would get it back for obvious reasons (and before anyone gets up any hope, I never have) but I was going to say I actually wanted, for silly nostalgia reasons, to get a same year and spec bike and then apply my old reg to it. So I did a DVLA search and to my amazement found it was still allocated to my old bike - but I think that's the issue, I'm almost certain it's gone never to be seen again (brings a tear to my eye just thinking that!), but the DVLA thing gave me hope. I think they only way is to post and hope someone has it. - I think the problem with a register is that they would have to have reg numbers and frame numbers etc which might lead to a few unsavoury people joining the forum to create a shopping list of bikes to steal? When I get a replacement for mine, I'm going to get a mate to follow me with an armoured truck to store it in when I'm out and about
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Post by JonW on Apr 16, 2020 0:14:11 GMT 1
DVLA wont allocate a reg to you from a scrapped or stolen bike, no matter how long ago it was, you can only buy the numbers they offer for sale... unless they have a very different sales model from a few years ago. Even plates from vehicles you swapped another plate too are retained in the systems so they can be reallocated if the private plate comes off.
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Post by bluestone on Apr 16, 2020 14:18:42 GMT 1
Cool, cheers jonw, good to know, saves me a lot of time trying to investigate how to do it! To be fair, it's probably for the best as is hopefully stops (or tries to) cloning and selling stolen bikes
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Post by JonW on Apr 17, 2020 2:54:50 GMT 1
Yep, the cloning thing was something and nothing I bet until it became a serious problem for the DVLA in one foul swoop when someone allowed Bentley Old Number 1's plate to be used on a chassis that was later proven not to be the correct unit: From here: www.gomog.com/articles/no1judgement.html (I couldnt find a simpler explanation, but its a good story about provenance at the very high end of collector cars at the height of the market of course) "In somewhat strange circumstances, the original logbook was produced in court. It had fallen into the hands of a Mr. Llewellen who apparently had built a car around the registration number and sought to register it. The DVLC initially granted the request but it came to the notice of the Bentley Drivers Club. Their authentication committee reconsidered the matter and recommended to the DVLC that Mr. Llewellen's car should be de-registered and that it was appropriate to re-allocate the number to the car which was in the process of being rebuilt by Mr. Hubbard. The logbook and its continuation show a continuous history for the car between its first registration on 24th April 1929 until March 1939. The chassis number is shown throughout as LB2332. The engine number is shown as having been changed from LB2336, the 6.5 litre engine, to YH5127, the 8 litre engine." This was a huge deal in the late 80s in the Classic Car world as suddenly cars were seen as investments at the time instead of just belonging to old codgers reliving their childhood dreams... it was the creation of the market we had today, tho it would have a massive fall in 1990 of course all helping to shape what we see today with LCs etc. Anyway, I successfully cited this case to actually get back the correct original old number plate of my old (now in USA) Alfa Junior Zagato as it had been used in books and other reference material as it lived in the Alfa UK showrooms in the 80s and early 90s. The plate could have provided false provenance for another car etc. DVLA refused to allocate the old reg no until we talked about the Bentley case and suddenly my new V5 turned up lol. The upshot is that since Old Number 1, I doubt very much now that anyone would get a plate back unless they could prove there was some good reason and they proved ownership of the original vehicle without doubt. The records are all in the systems for our bikes so its not like plates wouldnt be traceable to VINs etc. Pre the mid 1970s it was different though.
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