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Jan 31, 2020 11:57:31 GMT 1
Post by veg on Jan 31, 2020 11:57:31 GMT 1
Kin ell so it did realise nearly the asking price, i am so bloody out of date with regards to the price of these things, its time i just kept my gob shut because obviously i don't have a frikking clue about values. So anyone want my unique build at £20K? One off nothing else like it
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Jan 31, 2020 12:00:14 GMT 1
Post by shaunthe2nd on Jan 31, 2020 12:00:14 GMT 1
I would have pulled out as well if you felt misled, especially for that money.
I think the only legal requirement is a gen VIN number to match the V5. Without that you can't legally sell a bike for road iuse.
Jap spec bikes often only have the model ref eg '29L' stamped on the engine and no serial number and plenty of these now legally in the UK.
The engine probably came off a nicked bike at some time during its life, hence the grinding off of the ID, probably years before your seller came across it.
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Post by frosty123 on Jan 31, 2020 12:09:26 GMT 1
The frame and engine weren't matching which wasn't a problem for me, but the log book clearly showed the numbers referring to the ground down plate on the engine. He also wanted to remove the reg plate and give me an age related plate.
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Jan 31, 2020 12:27:26 GMT 1
Post by veg on Jan 31, 2020 12:27:26 GMT 1
There are similar bikes available and there is one member who builds some lovely slightly left field pv's on here, or alternatively build your own its not as daunting as you probably think and the amount of advice here is priceless all of us are happy to offer advice help and guidance, then you know its been done properly.
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Post by frosty123 on Jan 31, 2020 12:36:58 GMT 1
Built this one 30 years ago but sold it not knowing I would pine for another now ! This had numbers on the engine
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Post by frosty123 on Jan 31, 2020 12:40:11 GMT 1
Another early hybrid
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Post by frosty123 on Jan 31, 2020 12:41:24 GMT 1
This was a Stephens 375cc engine
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Post by frosty123 on Jan 31, 2020 12:42:45 GMT 1
This was a 375 with Gibson pipes
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Post by oldelsieboy on Jan 31, 2020 12:59:40 GMT 1
He also wanted to remove the reg plate and give me an age related plate. How is this possible? OEB
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Post by frosty123 on Jan 31, 2020 13:26:05 GMT 1
He said it needed it's first mot to be able to do this transfer. I'm sure someone could enlighten us. The plate read RUU633Y which he could sell as it spells RUBY .
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Jan 31, 2020 14:29:20 GMT 1
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Post by veg on Jan 31, 2020 14:29:20 GMT 1
So you have the skills and ability get stuck in then 😁👍
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Jan 31, 2020 14:32:45 GMT 1
Post by dougw on Jan 31, 2020 14:32:45 GMT 1
LOL, the blokes a nutter for sure if he said that. Run away as fast as you can! It is not ok to not have an engine number at all. And... you cant just stamp any one you fancy. The law has something to say about that practice. "And... you cant just stamp any one you fancy." That was exactly the advice DVLA used to dish out in the 90`s ! Given to a friend who had bought an engine as stolen recovered from a breakers, with the engine number removed. DVLA said stamp anything you want on it, fill in the form for change of details and send it to us. I think things have tightened up a bit since then ! (I actually bought that bike of her about 20 years ago and its in bits in the loft, 4L1 originally, ypvs now, Q plate, no engine number, she never got round to stamping anything. The original seized 250 engine got thrown in a skip It will be built with another set of engine cases with some genuine original untampered engine numbers, some time ..)
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Post by frosty123 on Jan 31, 2020 14:45:37 GMT 1
LOL, the blokes a nutter for sure if he said that. Run away as fast as you can! It is not ok to not have an engine number at all. And... you cant just stamp any one you fancy. The law has something to say about that practice. "And... you cant just stamp any one you fancy." That was exactly the advice DVLA used to dish out in the 90`s ! Given to a friend who had bought an engine as stolen recovered from a breakers, with the engine number removed. DVLA said stamp anything you want on it, fill in the form for change of details and send it to us. I think things have tightened up a bit since then ! (I actually bought that bike of her about 20 years ago and its in bits in the loft, 4L1 originally, ypvs now, Q plate, no engine number, she never got round to stamping anything. It will be built with another set of engine cases with some genuine original untampered engine numbers, some time ..) Lol..the frame number was also unreadable apart from a couple of numbers possibly due to powdercoating but I didn't want to hear anymore. His mate was going to do the mot and just copy the details off the v5. The honest story was that he is very honest and bought the bike with no engine numbers from his very honest friend. On completion another honest friend would mot it. Lastly he would remove the RUU33Y plate for me spelling RUBY and give it to his niece who was honestly called Ruby !! Frame number below
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Jan 31, 2020 15:21:18 GMT 1
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Post by Tobyjugs on Jan 31, 2020 15:21:18 GMT 1
My bike is a stolen recoverd bike the engine number was re-stamped with the man number from the PC that recovered the bike. I have now also got a new set of banshee cases without any number or code.
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Post by looey on Jan 31, 2020 15:52:57 GMT 1
I can't for the life of me understand why you'd build a bike that trick and potentially valuable, with an engine with numbers ground off and a frame number that can't be read ?. Many years ago, when I purchased my X7 and realised when I got home, that I'd totally forgotten to check the frame number against the V5 . When I checked, it couldn't be read at all from being heavily powder coated over. I used another X7 to locate exactly where it should be, masked it off, then carefully got the powder coat off where the number should have been. Thankfully, the numbers were perfect and correct, so it could be the case with this frame, if someone takes the time to get the coating/paint off ?.
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Jan 31, 2020 17:57:09 GMT 1
Post by oldelsieboy on Jan 31, 2020 17:57:09 GMT 1
He said it needed it's first mot to be able to do this transfer. I'm sure someone could enlighten us. The plate read RUU633Y which he could sell as it spells RUBY . How odd OEB
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Post by frosty123 on Jan 31, 2020 18:01:02 GMT 1
My mistake it was RUU63Y
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Post by frosty123 on Jan 31, 2020 18:02:50 GMT 1
This is it
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Jan 31, 2020 18:53:39 GMT 1
Post by hudtm60 on Jan 31, 2020 18:53:39 GMT 1
sold
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Jan 31, 2020 19:43:54 GMT 1
Post by tony2stroke on Jan 31, 2020 19:43:54 GMT 1
This is it To me that reg number is more like RUGBY at first glance, and coming from Wales I think that plate could be worth quite a bit.
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Jan 31, 2020 20:47:07 GMT 1
Post by Gunny on Jan 31, 2020 20:47:07 GMT 1
At 13 and a half grand i`d be wanting the plate as well
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Post by frosty123 on Jan 31, 2020 20:52:27 GMT 1
At 13 and a half grand i`d be wanting the plate as well I was paying him 3-4k over the top so engine numbers and plate would have been nice😃
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Feb 1, 2020 18:36:40 GMT 1
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Post by bigkenx on Feb 1, 2020 18:36:40 GMT 1
Well I must be odd I like that it’s something I can appreciate the time and effort he’s gone to as I’ve seen his other build on here before that was lovely as well , What lc is original it’s like trigger on only fools and horses saying he still had the same brush that’s had 3 heads and 4 handles a shit load were nicked when I raced my lc most of them on the grid had no numbers only until a clampdown and most of them engines ran dt175 pistons which I found out being constantly passed on the straight the c**ts if it’s got no numbers and the police are happy with it shouldn’t be a problem it would be the haggle to get it down in price
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Post by frosty123 on Feb 1, 2020 18:44:34 GMT 1
How do you value a bike with a stolen engine,? There was nothing from the police to confirm this , just the word of the seller who fitted the engine. There is only 1 explanation for numbers being removed.
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Post by stusco on Feb 1, 2020 18:47:51 GMT 1
Well my brother got his lc2 seized by the police just after he bought it the DVLA must have grassed him when he changed keepers this was in the nineties he never got it back ,it turned out the engine and frame numbers were restamped ,he never recovered financially it was his last bike as his previous tdr250 got stolen from out side his work (third party only) so any dodgy numbers are wrong in my book if your doing it to hide a theft ps just remembered I gave him a dt175 Mx to keep him on the road and some c##t broke into his garage and nicked it
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Post by frosty123 on Feb 1, 2020 19:02:29 GMT 1
Exactly..the same in any vehicle. If you are road checked and numbers are gone that vehicle is seized and you have got a court battle. Grinding numbers off on racing bikes doesn't make it go faster !!
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Post by jon on Feb 1, 2020 19:05:33 GMT 1
I agree there is only one reason to grind engine numbers off.
Ethically though, I wonder how ‘right’ it is even if the internals were bolted up in a new properly stamped case?
Sure it would conform to the law, but the internals are still stolen even if untraceable.
This wouldn’t sit right with anyone who has had a bike stolen.
To that matter, who knows if the internals they’ve bought over the years are not from stolen bikes?
There should have been in the past as well as nowadays harsher sentences for thieves. I for one would gladly pay more tax if I knew it was as a direct result of thieves being jailed more often and for longer.
Jon
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 1, 2020 20:34:53 GMT 1
i wonder what the insurance company would say if you caused an expensive accident and they checked the bike and documents?
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Feb 1, 2020 21:48:04 GMT 1
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Post by bigkenx on Feb 1, 2020 21:48:04 GMT 1
As I said if the police are happy that they know it’s been stolen recovered and has paperwork , where do you think parts come from breakers yards they are either accident damaged or stolen recovered and have come from the insurance company’s to break for parts that most people buy it’s a unfortunate and not right but the problem is there , if you haven’t nicked it yourself and ground them off the paperwork adds up and you declare it to the insurance as with any modifications
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Post by donkeychomp on Feb 2, 2020 0:08:13 GMT 1
It's all a bit of a theological grey area really. I'm certain all of us have at one point in our lives bought something that was stolen. Of course we don't know it's stolen...but it happens. eBay is like that. And as mentioned breakers yards too...hey ho.
Alex
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