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Post by yamrider on Nov 7, 2019 22:37:16 GMT 1
Hi im thinking of building a cafe racer so the first item would be a frame probably from a D or an E model either a 250 or a 400 inc a swing arm so any ideas as to how much a decent one would cost thanks  |
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 7, 2019 22:55:59 GMT 1
No idea on the cost, but they are a great frame for a Café racer inspired build. I'm using a 250D for my current café bike and the frame shape gives you loads of options. It's a heavy old frame and swingarm though ! I've got a German 250 frame and swingarm in the shed that Alex gave me - will probably form the base of my next/future project. Dusty  |
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Post by yamrider on Nov 7, 2019 23:14:53 GMT 1
yes i cant wait to get started on the project, after the frame the next expensive item will be the engine
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 8, 2019 7:45:41 GMT 1
Are you staying with an aircooled motor ? That's what I fancy doing next and keeps frame mods minimal. Trouble being, decent 400 motors are fairly rare  A complete bike might be your best, and cheapest bet. Dusty |
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Post by reedpete on Nov 8, 2019 9:28:28 GMT 1
Hi im thinking of building a cafe racer so the first item would be a frame probably from a D or an E model either a 250 or a 400 inc a swing arm so any ideas as to how much a decent one would cost thanks As will all RDs , price of a frame depends on what it is, wether it’s with matching cases, condition and wether it’s already registered with V5, just on NoVA or just a frame without identity. Coffin tank and round tank will fit on either frame so you don’t need to be restricted to just D or E. The breakers sell frames with good clear numbers but without identity for around £150. But a 2R9 (400E ) cases, frame UK V5 would probably be close to ten times that these days. If it’s of any interest I have a matching numbers 350B , originally US but now fully registered and with V5 in my name. I was building up into a TZ rep...but then got offered and bought a TZ350D project...so the rep needs to go, but could be cafe styled as no lugs removed yet and someone has already got there name on the paint set. Probably break it back down for sale to make it of maximum interest/flexibility and have a number of wheels and engine options available if required. Beauty of the 350 is you can put so many different top ends on from R5, RD, TZ350, TZ375 (reed valve) etc etc. |
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Post by reedpete on Nov 8, 2019 9:40:25 GMT 1
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Post by yamrider on Nov 8, 2019 20:04:13 GMT 1
Are you staying with an aircooled motor ? That's what I fancy doing next and keeps frame mods minimal. Trouble being, decent 400 motors are fairly rare A complete bike might be your best, and cheapest bet. Dusty yes i will certainly be staying with the air cooled motor which i think is going to be a 250 as you say the 400 could work out expensive and i think it will have the early forks as i like the idea of the twin leading shoe front brake |
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Post by yamrider on Nov 8, 2019 20:12:17 GMT 1
Hi im thinking of building a cafe racer so the first item would be a frame probably from a D or an E model either a 250 or a 400 inc a swing arm so any ideas as to how much a decent one would cost thanks As will all RDs , price of a frame depends on what it is, wether it’s with matching cases, condition and wether it’s already registered with V5, just on NoVA or just a frame without identity. Coffin tank and round tank will fit on either frame so you don’t need to be restricted to just D or E. The breakers sell frames with good clear numbers but without identity for around £150. But a 2R9 (400E ) cases, frame UK V5 would probably be close to ten times that these days. If it’s of any interest I have a matching numbers 350B , originally US but now fully registered and with V5 in my name. I was building up into a TZ rep...but then got offered and bought a TZ350D project...so the rep needs to go, but could be cafe styled as no lugs removed yet and someone has already got there name on the paint set. Probably break it back down for sale to make it of maximum interest/flexibility and have a number of wheels and engine options available if required. Beauty of the 350 is you can put so many different top ends on from R5, RD, TZ350, TZ375 (reed valve) etc etc. i would really like a v5 with the frame and a tank and seat like yours but maybe in silver and a twin leading shoe brake |
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Post by reedpete on Nov 9, 2019 12:31:50 GMT 1
If you want to discuss some if those options pm me your phone number and we can have a chat.
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Post by rdjames on Nov 9, 2019 22:24:53 GMT 1
I will have a RD250D german frame with a NOVA in 2 or 3 weeks £140 UK posted
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Post by yamrider on Nov 10, 2019 20:24:25 GMT 1
Hi would i be able to get a v5 through the nova and does that include the swinging arm thanks
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Post by reedpete on Nov 13, 2019 21:31:32 GMT 1
Hi would i be able to get a v5 through the nova and does that include the swinging arm thanks No, not directly, nova (Notification of vehicle arrival) is just the first step of obtaining a Uk registration for an imported bike. |
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Post by chrisg on Nov 17, 2019 21:07:49 GMT 1
As will all RDs , price of a frame depends on what it is, wether it’s with matching cases, condition and wether it’s already registered with V5, just on NoVA or just a frame without identity. Coffin tank and round tank will fit on either frame so you don’t need to be restricted to just D or E. The breakers sell frames with good clear numbers but without identity for around £150. But a 2R9 (400E ) cases, frame UK V5 would probably be close to ten times that these days. If it’s of any interest I have a matching numbers 350B , originally US but now fully registered and with V5 in my name. I was building up into a TZ rep...but then got offered and bought a TZ350D project...so the rep needs to go, but could be cafe styled as no lugs removed yet and someone has already got there name on the paint set. Probably break it back down for sale to make it of maximum interest/flexibility and have a number of wheels and engine options available if required. Beauty of the 350 is you can put so many different top ends on from R5, RD, TZ350, TZ375 (reed valve) etc etc. i would really like a v5 with the frame and a tank and seat like yours but maybe in silver and a twin leading shoe brake An option would be to fit the earlier 350b cylinders to the 250 motor to give it a bit more torque. The stroke is the same, just a bigger bore. Try ebay (US) although they are getting harder to find. I got a set with herds and pistons for £90 plus £30 P&P.. I should have got 2 sets. For a frame, try RDJames or moist on the aircooled site. |
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Post by yamrider on Nov 18, 2019 19:55:25 GMT 1
thanks for that chris
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Post by reedpete on Nov 20, 2019 7:53:04 GMT 1
RD James aka David James just offered you one a few replies up ! |
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Post by rdjames on Nov 21, 2019 13:43:39 GMT 1
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Post by yamrider on Nov 21, 2019 20:27:14 GMT 1
so how easy would it be to get a v5 on the frame ?
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 21, 2019 21:08:15 GMT 1
You've got to build the bike, get it Mot'd, and then apply to DVLA for a Uk registration, plus pay for a registration fee - will cost you around £100 not including the MOT. I did it with a German framed Lc and it was smooth enough to do  Dusty |
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Post by reedpete on Nov 22, 2019 1:07:38 GMT 1
On a bike that old you might not need an MOT because it’s probably just turned historic, but if there is no German log book then you need a dating certificate.
Dating certificates are easiest on a standard bike, but with a special things are a bit different as there is a statement required to confirm the pictures are ‘model year correct’.
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 22, 2019 7:24:36 GMT 1
I did read on the net that to get the historic, no Mot status, the bike has to be imported as a complete bike ? Not sure if that is right - there seems to be a lot of differing ideas regards what is covered by the "Historic" description. And who would ever know it wasn't complete in the first place ?? And if the bike is deemed to be non standard and made up from parts, that can lead to other issues. Mine was a hybrid and I was a bit concerned, but the MOT guy didn't give a toss as he loved Lc's !! Dusty |
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Post by yamrider on Nov 22, 2019 20:07:32 GMT 1
ok thanks for the info
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Post by reedpete on Nov 23, 2019 0:35:51 GMT 1
Yes, don’t start mentioning to DVLA if you assembled something from parts....
Their alarm is largely unwarranted as most restorations include nut n bolt strip, upgrade , rebuild etc, but has understandably arisen from the bad old days when dodgy ‘cut n shut’ cars were common place.
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Post by hoist1 on Dec 3, 2019 6:11:11 GMT 1
On a bike that old you might not need an MOT because it’s probably just turned historic, but if there is no German log book then you need a dating certificate. Dating certificates are easiest on a standard bike, but with a special things are a bit different as there is a statement required to confirm the pictures are ‘model year correct’. Am not sure but think initially you have to get an mot if no v5 before one will be issued. |
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Post by reedpete on Dec 3, 2019 10:19:57 GMT 1
Mot currently not needed to register a historic vehicle
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A complete bike might be your best, and cheapest bet.
