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Post by JonW on Apr 6, 2021 2:36:35 GMT 1
Had a bit of time to explore the youtube wormhole of old Subaru and Mitsubishi reviews mostly from before the internet so were aired on TV. lol
Tiff drives the Evo5 and 22B in a grainy old TV show called Top Gear... Yes, back when you could buy them new and the 22B cost only half as much again as an STi - imagine that. What is interesting is that in most of the reviews of the day they said that Subaru had hard and crashy suspension and that the Evos were more supple. For sure that is my experience, the Evo is a much more comfy car to live with every day but i suspect if they had a 2020s car in the mix they would have realised those cars are not badly sprung at all.
Amusing (in its naivety at times?) this next TG film about the (1995 by the N reg) Series McRae Subaru was Tiff's first drive of the standard 90s WRX (the edition didnt add anything much to the car really, subaru was good as doing limited editions like that with different wheels and extra lights but standard power and suspension. Tiff's assertion that its boring looks meant thieves wont notice it... er... that didnt quite go to plan. Not many years later it featured as No. 1 in Max Power's Ram Raid vehicle article. Nice.
Richard Hammond Reviews The Subaru Impreza & STi RA and finds the RA quite focused... er... not exactly a spoiler alert saying that lol
Its quite funny how all the old reviews almost sound like modern reviews talking about the GRY... reviewers hate the interior, find it fast and noisy, love the AWD handling etc etc. 20-25 years on and we still love AWD turbo cars that have under 300bhp and do 0-60 in 5 secs, its like we havent moved on... Er, Im saying this on a forum with a shared love of 80s motorcycles, so yeah, nah!
Continuing the grainy footage... Tiff totally thrashing a TME... Even giving you step by step instructions for AWD power sliding lol. I wonder if he would be allowed to do that now?
Amusingly... Its a Mitsu UK car (The '1 CCC' reg is also at auction right now) so probably the very same 10k miles TME thats currently £75k at auction. That car may be low miles, but wow its had a tough life lol
Slightly better footage of hammond on M&M talking about STis. Does remind me that most of the journalists we trust now to tell us about cars grew up and cut their teeth on EVO/WRXs 20 years ago. hmm...
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Post by JonW on Apr 6, 2021 2:39:37 GMT 1
Shame... Review was too track focused imo.... I would have preferred a road test on some b roads.... That to me seems the perfect environment for this car..... I test drove it on some wet country roads around Warley, I'm not a fast driver by any means, but this car made me feel special..... Can't wait to get it I also think that it should have been less about sliding round a track and more about using it on a road, its a road car after all. Maybe its just me but sliding cars around on the track is getting a bit old. Crappy edits as well IMHO. Ive always believed this type of car was at home on A and B roads covering ground quickly, focused on the job in hand with looks being unimportant etc. Of course, TG isnt a car review show now really, its light entertainment and I guess throwing cars around on a track is what viewers expect. Luckily in the modern world we have lots of GRY youtube reviews to choose from If it was the best car Chris Harris has driven in the last few years , it sure is some compliment, considering all the other stuff he drives I think that is a good point. He often likes cars, but doesnt usually say stuff like that.
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Post by JonW on Apr 7, 2021 3:19:06 GMT 1
You all saw this coming... Ive changed the name of this thread a little, with the addition of the GRY into the title.
Basically I see the GRY as the modern incarnation of the cars of old that this thread was originally about. The more I read, watched and drove one I found that it really is a modern hatchback that is a cross between the GC8 (classic Imprezza WRX/STI) and the CP9A (EVo 4-6.5) cars that i originally started this thread about. "Light weight AWD turbo cars focused on getting from A-B as fast as possible". Sure the original cars were based on boring base model saloon cars from each brands catalogue with lots of good engineering underneath (engine and transmission, suspension, brakes etc) and driver's touches where it counted (seats, steering wheel etc) and yet the GRY is a bespoke whole new car, but I do wonder if as a nod to those base model barnstormers of old is why they gave it the Yaris name instead of just calling it a 'Rally' - A little engineer's joke and perhaps a peek into their psyche?
Anyway, the original thread had already moved on with the inclusion of later (2000s) versions of the original 90s cars as not all of us are old farts who are in love with the early cars. I welcomed the newer cars even if for me they slightly diluted the original rough and ready feel ever more with each model, each one becoming more comfortable and having more safety features. I currently own a 2016 WRX and have done so from new. In the past 5 years its always been comfy, fast and worked as a great 'daily', though compared to the early cars you can feel the weight and the size working against you when you are on it, its fine, but you cant cheat physics. The GRY goes against that larger/fatter/heavier trend that all brands seem to embrace, having all the modern features plus the engineering but being as light as a GC8.
To properly welcome the GRY into the thread, here is an Aussie (at times very Aussie!) video review (the modern world is run by video...). Note that in Aus our cars have no GPF (so have 10bp more) and we get 2 useless (in Aus) additions that many of the UK forumers are moaning they bizarrely dont get offered; heated seats and steering wheel. (The car tested is the base model, somewhat akin to the UK/EU comfort pack but without parking sensors, as at the time there are no Circuit pack cars in Aus. Those videos will come as the first 200 our version delivered this week, its called a 'Rallye' and is actually a mix of the UK/EU packs as we get our base (mostly comfort pack) car with the Circuit Pack extra; 'on top, not instead')
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Post by cnkxu1 on Apr 7, 2021 7:07:59 GMT 1
Is there any difference between the 2020 and the 2021 GRY?
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Post by JonW on Apr 7, 2021 8:02:59 GMT 1
Is there any difference between the 2020 and the 2021 GRY? I'll say 'no'... there are two versions tho here - one that came to our shores in 2020 and a slightly different one that is just being rolled out along side the original one now in April 2021... I'll explain: in Aus the 2020 cars were the first ones delivered and were sold on the massively cheap deal from Toyota Aus at $40k driveaway* instead of the RRP of 49500+onroads* they are now, these first 1000 cars were all 'base' cars, ie called on the order sheets 'GR'. They continued to deliver these into 2021, some folk are still waiting for the last of these cheap deal cars I think, but most have them now. These cars are not limited edition or numbered, just that the initial amount was sold very cheap to those willing to take a leap of faith, then a further 100 were sold 5k pricier, then the rest were RRP. You can still order one now. Ok, of course, people are only human and some of course quickly resold these initial low priced cars and asked +/- RRP money for them. Its said that some made 15k selling to people who didnt want to wait til later in 2021 to get their cars. Supply n demand at work i guess... Ok, so that's the cars you would have seen so far on the street... until literally today... This week the first of the GR Yaris 'Rallye' editions will be delivered. Originally they sold 200 of these versions cheaper than RRP at $56200 driveaway* like they did with the base GR, now they are RRP of $54950+onroads* and this week Toyota finally put pricing on their website. Until that happened the only way to find about about them or order one was to punt in the dark with a dealer who didnt really know the price or any solid info about the spec. Yeah weird I know. It was really bizarre as some dealers were saying you might not get a car if Toyota Aus couldnt secure more supply. All smoke and mirrors of course, as proven by this weeks 'launch' - we are still waiting on the Press Release which ToyAus are notorious for publishing late, it was expected Monday to coincide with the website info. {taps fingers and keeps pressing 'refresh' on ToyAus website} EDITED: well the price on the website lasted less than 24hours, it now says 'contact your dealer' again. Its either the site is being updated or theyve had too much interest I guess as the site is super slow. As I mentioned earlier our 'Rallye' version (Denoted as 'GR Rallye' on the order sheet) is our base GR Yaris plus what is called in the UK/EU the 'circuit pack'. This seems weird in GRY circles as in the UK/EU you either have a base or one of the packs; either Comfort or Circuit (lets abbreviate that to CP as most do in the northern hemisphere). If you have either pack then they start with base and add the 'pack' (at the factory not the dealer). In the case of the Comfort its things like HUD, NAV, 'better' stereo etc if you have the CP its the base plus torsen diffs front and back, harder suspension incl front roll bar, lighter forged wheels, Michelin PS4S tyres etc. So in the UK/EU if you order a CP you dont get HUD or NAV etc. Nav is no hassle as you can use your phone thru the screen, but HUD might be annoying if youve had that before. But... in our small market in Aus where we traditionally only get limited specs of cars and due to distance from the factory we often are forced to choose only between povo (nothing) or lux (every thing the brand offers) specs. We usually dont get to tick boxes like sun roof or better stereo on base cars etc and we also end up over paying for stuff you dont want as you cant not have it, eg my WRX has a sunroof and I hate sunroofs and have never used it yet its an expensive option elsewhere in the world. A prime example of this with the GR Yaris Rallye is that there is no choice of colour for us in Aus, they are all going to be Pearl White. That is the colour you cannot order the base GRY in here, so the only way to get that colour is to order a Rallye, and yes the cost of the pearl paint is in the price even if you wouldnt have wanted it. You get used to this when you buy cars in smaller markets but yeah it does hurt a bit. So... with the Rallye version just like other countries we get 'our CP' built on 'our base GR Yaris', which is 90% of a UK/EU comfort pack really. So its almost a Comfort PLUS all the CP items... We also get a few Aus only touches like the RALLYE badge on the back and a small plate/plaque on the dash (next to the useless/coveted heated seat controls - delete as appropriate). A guy was sent these pics of these things today of his car, so these pics are hot off the press: (i think the plaque in the pic has a plastic protection sticky on it to stop it getting scratched, the car is pre PDI as you can see by the wheel protection and film on the bodywork) Note: why do we have a Rallye version? Well... The GRY has another badge on the back that says 'GR-Four'. This is Toyota's link back to the GT-Four moniker on the Celica. In Aus we had homologation version sold in limited numbers that was called a 'Rallye' inside (number plaque) and out (badge). This version links back to that car which is Toyota's previous AWD Rally car so is 'history'. This from Wikipedia: "Official WRC models in the initial 2500 were only produced in 1994 as required by the WRC homologation rules. All ST205 sold in Australia were WRC models and called the GT-Four Group A Rallye. All the Australian-spec ST205 came with leather interior, and the only options were air conditioner and glass sunroof. Each of 77 cars also came with limited edition numbered plaque mounted ahead of the gear shift."
* - For those not in Aus and interested in what these aussie car buying terms mean. - 'Driveaway' is pretty self explanatory I think. Its short for 'Driveaway with no more to pay'. You might get it for less than that if you haggle, but generally its unlikely. Its the same price in all states in Aus. - 'On roads'. Every state in Aus has different prices to use a car 'on the road'. This is not the dealer PDI, this is the state taxes and fees. They are different cos... er... well, 'Australia'. The state governments prove their need to exist by having different rules for all sorts of things that really could be standardised across the country. Every state has its own car registration system and numbers plates and so charges different amounts to register and use a car on the road. One of the things some states mandate is compulsory 3rd party insurance whereas some do not. All this means that car prices differ by state, so prices are often quoted in tests and press releases as 'plus on road fees and charges' as they do not know where you will be ordering from.
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Post by JonW on Apr 7, 2021 13:55:34 GMT 1
Hmm, that didnt take long... This speculator paid $56,200 driveaway... and has listed for just under $70k*. hmm... * - In Aus you also pay stamp duty when you buy a used car, its about 3% of the sale price in NSW for example. So add another $2100 to put it into your name....
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Post by JonW on Apr 8, 2021 4:15:25 GMT 1
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Post by cnkxu1 on Apr 8, 2021 13:31:53 GMT 1
I see Toyota Australia have asked for a bigger allocation of the Yaris GR and Rallye.
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Post by JonW on Apr 8, 2021 13:50:53 GMT 1
I see Toyota Australia have asked for a bigger allocation of the Yaris GR and Rallye. Yeah, they will need it. Guys are going mad for them.
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Post by JonW on Apr 14, 2021 0:23:18 GMT 1
For lovers of VBH, here is the old TG review, only weeks after Tiff's Evo5 review.
And Evo 6 vs 9 - spoiler the winner is... nah, watch it lol
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Post by JonW on Apr 19, 2021 4:02:47 GMT 1
Was out in my Evo 5 this weekend and did about 50 miles out in the countryside north of Sydney. Wow is this car good at what it does. "any corner, any speed" is about right for this car, of course if you get it wrong its going to be a big crash but at Aussie country lane speeds the Evo is just getting starting into its boost and begs to be given '...just a few more revs... Please!'. The occasions you do let the boost build up and give the car its head, well youre moving much to fast for traffic near a big city. Anyway, a few hours out in it reminded me why I own it. It's not about being flashy as it certainly isnt, its about the joy of driving. Your not cosseted in luxury where the outside world is just a place to be passed through, instead youre actively out in the scenery watching for dips in the road and picking lines - although it has to be said its so competent you could ignore all that and troll along with your mind blank behind the slow coaches (in my case at one point i came across the Austin 7 owners club in caravan! Haha what on earth were they thinking, white knuckled oldies rattling along at 45kph haha!). These cars dont ride like hard as nails modern cars, or have their barge like weight and are all the better for that. Instead you get light weight steering, sublime throttle response so long as you row the manual gearbox, great suspension that wont rattle your fillings and brakes that will stop on a dime. What fun! Found an interesting Aussie article about an Evo 6 in 2018 that captured some of the sense of what im talking about above: www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/mitsubishi-evo-vi-review-classic-motorSo... Bidding has slowed on Mitsubishi UK's TME... Unsurprisingly since its at £77,500 plus 6% buyers commission... a snip at just over £82k... 11 days to go if you are thinking of bidding And finally... a TopGear article about... hmm... Im not 100% what its about really. It talks about road versions of rally cars, and er, briefly about each one and how it fits in the timeline including the GRY. Its not the best researched article either and feels like a missed opportunity as its long but says little (to me anyway). That said I thought it might belong here as it has Impreza and GRY content: www.topgear.com/car-news/hot-hatch/group-therapy-toyota-gr-yaris-vs-rally-icons
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Apr 20, 2021 20:10:56 GMT 1
I watched the top gear Yaris GR test and it was amusing
Just seems mad spending £35k on a Yaris 😱
If you are over 18 though you can get a lease deal for £300 a month 😁
Strve
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Post by veg on Apr 20, 2021 21:02:49 GMT 1
The lease deals aren’t competitive, I looked for 15000 miles pa, with 3 month deposit over 3 years they are £500+ plus vat, whereas I can get a golf R for £345 plus vat. Think as jon has said they aren’t really a Yaris, and I don’t understand why they’ve badged them as such.
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Post by donkeychomp on Apr 20, 2021 21:21:38 GMT 1
£500 a month? I bought mine for a ton less than that Alex
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Post by veg on Apr 20, 2021 21:23:13 GMT 1
No this shows the esteem these are held plus the ridiculous 20? Yr rule for the states flip.it/JVXEsN
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Post by JonW on Apr 21, 2021 3:37:23 GMT 1
I watched the top gear Yaris GR test and it was amusing Just seems mad spending £35k on a Yaris 😱 If you are over 18 though you can get a lease deal for £300 a month 😁 Strve Yes, it was very 'Top Gear', ie light entertainment. On the GRY forum there was some amusing posts after the TG article as spouses had no idea what the poster had spent until the show aired, many not being at all interested in vehicles. lol... These were two of my faves: Lol, When Chris Harris said 30k “is that how much you’ve paid” silence.My car is waiting at dealers. collecting in 2 weeks. Still not told SWUTBO. She watched TG and said “See that Yaris on TG? Who in their right mind would pay £30K for a Yaris?” I said nothing. lolWell as we know, it's not actually a Yaris... If you did what Toyota did to a Yaris yourself the DVLA would absolutely give you a Q reg lol! ...but even if it was a Yaris what would it matter? I own a cheaply built (not quite a base model, but close) 90's Lancer with a bunch of mods... Ok, they were fitted by the factory; but still just a boring cheap ass Lancer lol... Plenty of people clamouring to buy them for big money now, i.e. the £80+k Mitsubishi UK car etc. Plus as Veg says below, lots of buyers wanting an expensive version of Imprezas with big engines and AWD out there too. Anyway, while i dont expect people to 'get it' the GRY is not a Yaris really, it was probably just badging to help sell the normal Yaris range in the show room on the back of Rallying results, thats why manufacturers put up with the homologation rules as it left the rally cars looking like the things they sell to the public. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday they used to say... not even sure if that is something these days. As mentioned before with the GRY externally there are only head and tailights, mirrors and shark fin antenna that are Yaris (expensive things to make and get tested/approved we are told so why not just reuse). The rest of the bespoke 3 door body (real yaris is 5 door only now) is made of special high tensile steel with a bonded forged carbon fibre roof and all opening panels are alloy along with the wings. The engine is bespoke as well, as is the AWD system. While the dash is based on Yaris parts, the seats, steering wheel and gear lever (and other parts) are all bespoke to this car. They state it takes 10 times as long to build one over a normal Toyota as it's mostly hand built in a special factory (that used to make the Lexus LFA). So, not very Yaris like at all... Not even really like my Evo as even that is based on the shell of a standard Lancer 1.6L, although worked on with alloy panels etc etc. A bespoke body is very rare in any car these days, it just doesnt cost in very well as a product, even when retailed at £35k. In fact really they should ask more, but Im glad they dont. In Aus the first 1000 GRY's were sold at $40k (£20k!) to garner interest, that was a stunning deal and it sold out in 7 days. I missed that boat... still kicking myself. The lease deals aren’t competitive, I looked for 15000 miles pa, with 3 month deposit over 3 years they are £500+ plus vat, whereas I can get a golf R for £345 plus vat. Think as jon has said they aren’t really a Yaris, and I don’t understand why they’ve badged them as such. The lease thing is interesting, with these cars selling on the used market for more than the new ones at the mo it seems weird, but i guess they are being careful with residuals 3 years out. With that in mind i can see lots of people getting a Golf R in the UK instead on lease cos of the price, its the more grown up and more cosseting as a car (more 'every day'), but its the same as my lancer in that its a normal VW Golf shell with some go faster bits put in by the factory when you think about it. I think one of the issues with the TG piece is that they recorded it months before airing and by then the deals had changed. One thing i would say for those thinking about getting a GRY is that its absolutely not a Golf R... let me explain. The GRY was designed to be super light, some of that was done with cool lightweight alloys in the engine and thinner stronger steel on the body and alloy panels and a carbon roof etc, but they also saved weight by deleting some of what you might expect in the way of sound deadening and made the plastic outer panels thin etc. There is no underseal. The car isnt luxurious and doesnt have all the electronics you might be used to either if you have a modern car now. There is no spare wheel, this is because there is no room as well as weight saving, the boot floor is higher as it has an AWD system and axle under it and the battery (and water spray on some models) lives in the boot too for weight distribution so the car has a very small boot (even for a yaris lol), but it does have split/fold rear seats... that only a child can comfortably sit in them as the roof line is low at the back for aero. However, if you are passionate about actual driving you can see they did all this for good reason, its a rally car that goes on the road - not a road car that can rally. I think Toyota appreciated that this stuff might be a deal breaker for some and its not going to be right for everyone. So, I dont think everyone who even thinks they want a 'rally car for the road' thinks it through as evidenced by those seduced by the hype and then sell after a few months and low miles. Reminds me of the even more dedicated race cars that are not great everyday road cars, ie think of some of the Porsche models with windy windows, no AC, no electrics like radio/nav etc etc. To me a stripped out poverty spec car that would get old quickly if i used it for big miles on the daily grind... I mean, geez no AC in Aus; no thanks! So, you have to ask yourself if you can you live without some of the modern comforts to save weight? And if you can, which ones? Go from there... £500 a month? I bought mine for a ton less than that Alex Haha, yes but that one is actually a Yaris. Amusingly i was out in a borrowed 2000s Corrola yesterday. Huge mileage 'beater' car, dirty interior, seriously faded paintwork and crusty headlights etc. I didnt really want to sit in it, let alone be out in it, but... threw me right away as it drove like a new car. Engine was sweet, gearbox changed like it was new. Proof that you cannot kill old Toyotas... tho it has to be said it was from the era when Honda also made cars like this, but the end of the decade it was all over and all modern Hondas are made of cheese. Lets hope modern Toyotas are still built like they were back then. (You knew I would also say that VWs are not built like they were either, by all means lease a Golf R... just dont ever actually own it. Save yourself that experience. I would)
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Post by donkeychomp on Apr 21, 2021 21:30:14 GMT 1
Back to the new Yaris. Has anyone released the specs for it? 0-60 etc. Would love to see that. And laugh my socks off when I compare it to mine!
Alex
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Post by veg on Apr 21, 2021 21:59:21 GMT 1
0-60 5 seconds, 260 bhp can’t remember the rest, pocket rocket.
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Post by donkeychomp on Apr 21, 2021 22:32:37 GMT 1
Never timed my 0-60. I call it 'eventually'.
Alex
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Post by JonW on Apr 22, 2021 0:04:04 GMT 1
The 0-60 depends on who you ask, probably cos launching an AWD car is a vicious thing to do but also cos max revs in 2nd is something like 58mph, so you have to change to 3rd to get to the 60. Some reviewers have been getting times in the mid to high 4s. Depends on how brutal you want to be I guess. Traffic light GPs are not really my thing, tho I do like to be away fasters than the rest of the crowd where i live as if there are curves just after the lights drivers tend to not be able to stay in lane very well. For me, its the 50-70 times that have always been more important as thats what you'll be using when overtaking on an A/B road. I dont know what model you have Alex but I think the 2000s 4 cyl yaris 1.0L was about 13 or 14 secs to 60 and that was in its first flush of youth?
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Post by JonW on Apr 22, 2021 3:58:29 GMT 1
OMFG! what a waste of an Evo 5!
A classic bit of early 2000s TV and attitudes to cars I guess... Max Power eat yer heart out! Can you believe someone would put 57 TV screens and 1000w stereo in a car thats made for driving. To compound the crime he not only stuck it on 19s (way to go to ruin the ride) but look at em! They were 'experimental' for a reason... I bet they never made more lol And he wants to fit Nitrous... {shakes head vigorously}
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Post by donkeychomp on Apr 22, 2021 21:20:41 GMT 1
Mine is a 2003 vvti. 14 seconds seems a bit optimistic to me. Pretty sure this is the slowest vehicle I have ever owned, but every day it starts. That's quite a bonus! And just to get to work or the shops I don't care about performance really. Saying that something with a bit more pep will be the next purchase.
Alex
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Post by JonW on Apr 23, 2021 1:20:12 GMT 1
I'll post this here... but Im not really thinking that it belongs (yet). Its not touted as any kind of rally car, just a fast version of a normal car from what i can tell, and there is a long way to go before it earns its right (lol) to be talked about here. But, for completeness, well... So this is obviously just more guesses at what this car will be like... I saw this linked from Aussie GRY Fbers today, its a US site so not AUD pricing. what doesnt make sense for Australia is that this pricing would be about Au$55k (about the price of a GRY Rallye when you dont add the 'on roads' costs) for a 'larger GRY'. However, of course we all know that US prices dont translate to prices outside the USA like that, they almost always pay less for stuff than the rest of us. I would expect then that this 'hero corolla' would be more exy as that is the way 'ranges of cars' work usually ie bigger costs more, and if so it would have to compete with the A class AMG here I would think (our one of those costs about £10k more than a GRY, unlike in the UK) could it do that on luxury I wonder even if it could compete on performance? I mean, the GRY doesnt have any pretension about luxury, its about light weight. However, the Supra is a GR car and that is about luxury isnt it? Its made by BMW so Toyota dont have any hand in what they think its luxury, tho they have good form with Lexus... hmm. Maybe it could work? I guess we'll find out when these are eventually made and sold, but dont get too excited as that wont be until 2023 I would think. Reason being they are talking about using the GRY factory and that is jammed with GRY orders into 2022. I wouldnt be surpised if to combat some of this jamming of the factory they will make sure the GRC (see what i did there?!) will be easier to make. It doesnt have a clever body with a carbon roof of course as its a normal 5 door shell from the production line (possibly with extra welds like most manufacturers do with the performance models). I expect they will also do what they can to not have this take anything like the oft quoted 'ten times longer to build than a normal car' of the GRY. To be honest building cars that way doesnt really seem tenable for a brand like Toyota, fine for when they built the Lexus LFA there but for £30k car it must surely not be costing in very well. Great to use the design, prove you can build and sell homologation cars, but as a going concern it must be causing the company accountants a headache. Of course, if it is quick to build then maybe it can be cheaper and if pitched right it might well sell alongside the GRY as that would be the stripped out 'rally car' and the GRC would be the car you buy if you want to drag your family around at speed in more comfort etc. It'll be a bit less 'special', but be a lot more 'normal'... perhaps... Anyway, something for those who want a larger (heavier?) and possibly more luxurious version of the GRY that is Golf/A class sized... tho im guessing as much as everyone else about this, it could be a stripped out raucous race car, who knows... www.thedrive.com/content/2019/02/229006340-corolla-grs-hb-bitone-1k6-18inchgrswheel-front-comp-rgb-v7-532353.jpg?quality=85&width=1440&quality=70Mitsubishi UK TME auction update: 7 Days to go, now at an eye watering £78k.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Apr 23, 2021 18:12:10 GMT 1
I take it that is slightly different from the Corrolla GR Sport hybrid I just got offered as a company car 😆
Steve
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Post by veg on Apr 23, 2021 18:42:55 GMT 1
Company car check you 😁 Some of us have to pay for them.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Apr 23, 2021 19:04:03 GMT 1
Company car check you 😁 Some of us have to pay for them. Don't know what your talking about, just ordered my 20th company car 😏 Steve
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Post by JonW on Apr 24, 2021 14:20:33 GMT 1
LOL, youre paying for them even when the company 'gives' them to you...
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Post by veg on Apr 24, 2021 17:10:26 GMT 1
I know and my company gives me total Carte Blanche I can have whatever I want the director is a lovely bloke, kind soft and gentle a wow with everything he touches. Top fella👍
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Apr 24, 2021 20:49:01 GMT 1
I know and my company gives me total Carte Blanche I can have whatever I want the director is a lovely bloke, kind soft and gentle a wow with everything he touches. Top fella👍 But he smells of animals 😆 Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Apr 24, 2021 20:54:39 GMT 1
LOL, youre paying for them even when the company 'gives' them to you... Tell me about it 🙄 In 1993 I got my first company car declared to HMRC. I paid £90 a month in tax, had free unlimited use of the car including free fuel Fast forward 28 years. Fair enough the car is better but I now have to pay my own private fuel and pay £175 a month in tax ☹ Steve
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