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Post by yamark on Jul 23, 2015 19:48:55 GMT 1
Right, where to start with this one. I bought a 350LC off evilbay back in May this year with the intention of building a hybrid. The bike was incomplete, a very early non tie bar model and cheap. The owner Ricky was a star. A perfect transaction, no mucking me about and he had perfect time keeping. He told me he was offered a lot more money than I paid to end the auction early, but let it run to the end- I wish more people were like him.
Now, I'm a huge fan of Allen Millyard (I own a Kawasaki H1F500 and like triples), and marvel at his creations. Google him if you haven't heard of him. So hatched a mad, hairbrained idea to turn a 350LC into a triple. It's been done before but still a huge challenge for me. I have never really modified anything before (apart from supercharging a 3 litre Capri years ago)
So, I collect the bike from Ricky and I find out the number plate is MAD 920V - now that is fate!
There's the plan, I feel like the Doc off back to the future.
As I collected the bike, and spread out on the lawn
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The log book came back today in my name today from DVLA
Feel free to encourage me or talk me out of it
Mark
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Post by dusty350 on Jul 23, 2015 20:07:16 GMT 1
Hi Mark It's gonna be awesome and unique for sure. Cant wait to see the engine built up Dusty
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Post by yamark on Jul 23, 2015 20:35:56 GMT 1
Hi Dusty, Sounds like your not trying to talk me out of it!
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Post by fatfastroger on Jul 23, 2015 21:39:17 GMT 1
Do it, there are plenty of "Normal" ones around. How about putting it in a KH chassis ? Good luck
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Post by yamark on Jul 23, 2015 21:50:16 GMT 1
Do it, there are plenty of "Normal" ones around. How about putting it in a KH chassis ? Good luck Yeah another one not trying to talk me out of it. Not a bad idea fatfastroger, but I have the LC frame, and want to go hybrid RGV front and rear with LC looks
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jul 23, 2015 22:07:21 GMT 1
Just get on with it and stop faffing lol
Been contemplating something similar as my next project.
Either a 3 or 4 cylinder in something like an fzr chassis
Steve
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Post by dusty350 on Jul 23, 2015 22:32:21 GMT 1
You've got the right idea. Looks like an Lc at first glance, then as you look more you see the extra pot. It's gonna be a fantastic special for certain, and you'll probably never see another one like it when it's done ! I'm sure we will all encourage you all the way, and look forward to the next instalment Dusty
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Post by JonW on Jul 23, 2015 22:57:12 GMT 1
Great project! You can actually buy billet triple and quad cases in the USA for the banshee, then with the right bore and stroke combination you could even get to 920cc perhaps?! Oh, sit down when they tell you the prices for the cases, last time I checked they were over $2k for triples, but they were very strong and beautifully made.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jul 23, 2015 23:10:45 GMT 1
Great project! You can actually buy billet triple and quad cases in the USA for the banshee, then with the right bore and stroke combination you could even get to 920cc perhaps?! Oh, sit down when they tell you the prices for the cases, last time I checked they were over $2k for triples, but they were very strong and beautifully made. That was my route Think it is mattoon that make them. To keep it lc it should not be to mill a set of cases down to one cylinder then make a jig to get the crank and output in line then get a good welder to join them. Awesome project! Saw the 4 cylinder lc at uncle micks dyno day Steve
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Post by JonW on Jul 23, 2015 23:44:27 GMT 1
YEs matoon machine was the lot who did them, would be mega but you will limit the ground clearance with the cyls and the extra pipe of course
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Post by raven13 on Jul 24, 2015 0:46:00 GMT 1
have a chat with graham king, cinder on here. he built a 4 cylinder (2 x 35lc) rd700lc will defo be able to give you some pointers
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Post by yamark on Jul 24, 2015 7:15:19 GMT 1
Thanks all.
Dusty - you have the same vision as I have. Standard looking LC, RGV front/rear and an extra exhaust to get people scratching their heads.
Steve - I hope you build a triple or four, I've been thinking about this for years. I'm going to weld 2 sets of cases together (not me doing the welding) and thanks Gary (Eyrey1) for the cases.
Jon - Glad I was sitting down, I really like your idea to get to 920cc (gulp) to match the reg plate, but the V would be a challenge
Raven - cheers for the pointer, I had no idea Graham was on here. I've spoken to Graham about a year ago and he talked me through some of the potential "banana skins". He was very helpful. His 700LC is unreal.
I've loads of problems to solve. The ignition is giving me nightmares
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Post by JonW on Jul 24, 2015 8:43:28 GMT 1
Well... the V is the two fingers to everyone who said it couldnt be done
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Post by steve h on Jul 24, 2015 20:47:59 GMT 1
F*****g sacrilege!!! Disgraceful way to treat an old pile of shitty bits.............. Pull your finger out, and get on with it.
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Post by cinder on Jul 27, 2015 15:15:06 GMT 1
im sure you will make a cracking bike mark,i followed your stock rebuild o here and it was spot on.whats your plans for the back end and wheels etc ?
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Post by yamark on Jul 27, 2015 21:07:04 GMT 1
im sure you will make a cracking bike mark,i followed your stock rebuild o here and it was spot on.whats your plans for the back end and wheels etc ? Hi Graham, how are you mate? Have you got your exhausts sorted yet on the 700? I keep reading the article on your build, just brilliant.
Cheers for the comment on my 350LC.
I have planned an RGV vj22 front and rear end, which I have most of the parts now. I know it will steer a bit slower but the extra wheelbase/swingarn length might be useful as I'm hoping for 75HP.
I'll have to phone you soon, as I know I've got to spread the frame (for the exhausts and to give the chain more room), but I don't know by how much and what swingarm spindle to use.It's so handy you will know how to get over the hurdles!
Oh and thanks for the tip on the crankshaft, I've sourced all the parts.
I'm chatting to Harry tomorrow about the crankcases, heads and centre cylinder.
Cheers mate, we'll chat soon
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Post by cinder on Jul 28, 2015 17:12:13 GMT 1
I noticed your heads at harrys whilst visiting the other night,one has had a big crank failure on one pot which is as bad as the ones I used .after sending mine to stan Stephens to get reprofiled he noted that they would have to be welded up first .Harry will be able to weld it but a call to stan enquiring whether he could recut the head after all the work is done first ?
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Post by yamark on Jul 28, 2015 20:24:23 GMT 1
I just got off the phone to Harry. I thought the bad chamber was going to be cut off, but Harry said it has to be used. I'll phone Stan to check if they can be re profiled once welded together, or before they are joined. But plan B is to find another head. I've got a nice standard undamaged one, so need an un skimmed 350 head with a decent left chamber.
Cheers for the info cinder
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Post by oldelsieboy on Jul 28, 2015 20:56:50 GMT 1
But plan B is to find another head.
I've got a nice standard undamaged one, so need an un skimmed 350 head with a decent left chamber. If they are going to be reprofiled why not use 250 heads, apparently there is more meat to play with. OEB
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Post by yamark on Jul 28, 2015 21:10:42 GMT 1
But plan B is to find another head.
I've got a nice standard undamaged one, so need an un skimmed 350 head with a decent left chamber. If they are going to be reprofiled why not use 250 heads, apparently there is more meat to play with. OEB Thanks Nigel, I think you have just formed plan C !
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Post by rich on Jul 28, 2015 21:40:56 GMT 1
A lot more 250 heads about too and cheaper! Great project by the way, following with interest!
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Post by yamark on Jul 28, 2015 22:16:57 GMT 1
Thanks Rich, I think I've sorted the head issue already. Just ordered a nice one off Evilbay with a bit of damage on the unwanted chamber. Harry gave me another shock. The centre cylinder I sent him to be machined and welded has had a mild tune. So my options are find another 350 cylinder with standard porting (+1.75 OS to match the outer cylinders). Or get my two outer cylinders tuned to matched.
The good news is the crankcases are OK and Harry and I finalised all the details on engine mount alterations etc So once the cases come back, I can have the frame fabrication work done.
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Post by yamark on Jul 30, 2015 20:21:42 GMT 1
I found these pics The "FLUX CAPACITOR" moment as the Doc would say. These cases were scrap, chain damage through the engine numbers, so I cut a section out to repair another set of LC cases
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So I just took a hacksaw to them, not pretty I know
LOOK AWAY NOW STEVE H
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It gives you an idea of the width of the engine, and the last photo shows how far the sprocket has to extend
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Post by tigtaylor on Jul 30, 2015 21:49:04 GMT 1
Watching with great interest like many others on here, i would love to build something like this ,keep the pictures coming .ps i seen one of Millyard creations at a local bike meet in Calne The flying Millyard awesome creation.
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Post by yamark on Aug 5, 2015 20:11:13 GMT 1
Watching with great interest like many others on here, i would love to build something like this ,keep the pictures coming .ps i seen one of Millyard creations at a local bike meet in Calne The flying Millyard awesome creation. Hi Tigtaylor, I would say just build it. Life's too short as the saying goes. I thought it was going to be near impossible for me to build such a creation thinking builder's of these engines wouldn't divulge any secrets and I would be on my own. I couldn't have been more wrong.
Both Graham and Harry have been so helpful and seem excited, another Frankenstein LC might be born. They both share information readily and have steered me in the right direction having both solved all the problems they've encountered. So I suppose they both have done the hard work for me.
These are the crankcases before and after blasting
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The heads which turned out to be too damaged to use
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This is the cylinder intended to be used for the centre. But the tit I am I missed the fact that it has been tuned
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The really annoying part is that it is the same oversize (1.75) as my outer cylinders so I now have to find another cylinder with standard tune. If it's undersize I'll get it bored, so if anyone has a cylinder, later type , can be scored/damaged as long as it's not been ported and the scores will come out when re bored to 1.75. Yes I have asked in the wanted section!
It will hold the build up as I need the engine back to get the frame mods done, and have the crankshaft built. The crankshaft will be made from the parts of 3 crankshafts!
Just hope a cylinder comes up soon.
Mark
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Post by yamark on Aug 26, 2015 21:24:07 GMT 1
To bring you up to date, I managed to get hold of a cylinder so that should complete my main engine parts to be altered.
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Next is the cylinder heads which are unskimmed to be welded together.
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Also the gear change shaft that will be cannibalised for the claw and grafted to a new shaft. A YPVS thermo housing will be used on to the triple head
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So while the welding is being done, I'll work on restoring various parts of the bike.
I'll post up some pics of the RGV front and rear end components and my haul of new Suzuki parts on order soon.
Work has gone mental, I've no spare time and on top of everything I started to build a new "man cave" as I'm running out of room!
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Post by Eyrey1 on Aug 28, 2015 1:35:33 GMT 1
keep it up
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Post by yamark on Aug 28, 2015 16:57:42 GMT 1
Cheers Gary, that's what the missus says to me now and again
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Post by yamark on Aug 29, 2015 14:52:56 GMT 1
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Post by gazsellars on Aug 29, 2015 16:48:36 GMT 1
Hi Mark. This gonna be an awesome build can't wait to see how you get on!
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