350lc v YPVS

[photoman1963]

Hi Guys I'm a new member and looking for advice!
Which bike is better of the two??
which model is more sort after?? price comparison
for an 1983 25000 mile 350lc v YPRS?
any models to stay clear of i.e colours /imports??
Advice welcome!!

[twostroker]

all colours and imorts are all fine imo.
its a bit like comparing oranges and apples,both are nice just depends on taste.

[trev1340]

Dont do it they get under your skin and cost a fortune ;D but if you must have one i prefer the lc over the ypvs as the pv is more four stroke like in its power delivery but thats just me you might prefer a tame bike ;D ;D

[stuboy]

I have never been beated by a ypvs on my non ypvs lc :-)
If you are a pussy the ypvs better as they handle better but you dont have the adrenlin rush of the all or nothing power delivery. Ypvs common and cheap non Ypvs Very sort after and worth twice as much if matching numbers.

[nikfubar]

IMHO the LC looks better but the YPVS has the better engine that's why so many LCs have PV engines in them.
Hey go the whole hog & get a hybrid then it will handle & stop as well ;D

[lcolin]

great picture Nik!!

[bare]

Oct 16, 2011 20:35:59 GMT 1 stuboy said:

I have never been beated by a ypvs on my non ypvs lc :-)
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Really !? you should get out of your Mother's house more often.

[photoman1963]

LC it is then!! thanks guys!!

[stuboy]

Very nice bike m8 ;D

[Norbo]

The ypvs has more power , the engine is more reliable , they handle better. They brake better. They are becoming more sort after and prices have gone up a lot over the last few years.

LC’s are still worth more and always will be. They are a more sort after bike.

If it’s a standard LC I have found the power has no more kick then an ypvs in fact id say an LC has less kick then YPVS in standard trim. The ypvs has that extra power so even with the valves smoothing things out I still prefer the YPVS delivery.

Having said that if you put a set of spanneys on an LC that’s a different story all together. Then you loos some of the low down power but gain more at the top end. The jump at the band is a LOT more so you do get a far bigger kick then, and if you do the same to a YPVS because of the progressiveness of the Valves the kick is not as much.

I like both and I’m not relay in to standard anything so I’ve gone for the LC looks and YPVS power in a hybrid. With 3 spokes. But next year ill most likely be on Nicks old YPVS after I’ve finished messing with it, and that’s an F2 ypvs special.

Id just go for what you like the looks of then you cant go wrong.

[mellow]

i whooped niks ass on my standard f2 ;D

[stanlc7189]

What the hell? They are all lovely. The YPVS was an improvement in all areas, as said above by others, but the original LC is the bike that started it all off, which is why it is more sought after and prices reflect that.

[billy]

I'm running a PV engine with valves locked fully open, no head gasket, slightly ported, (not the exhaust ports heights/widths though) modified stock exhausts. It's EXACTLY the same mods as my old LC engine, even down to the ignition (the very same LC ignition I had on the LC engine) and carbs, except the LC engine had the exhaust ports opened up a tad (but still lower/smaller then the PV exh. ports).

And, well what can I say... the PV engine beats the CRAP out of my old LC engine.
I mean really, the LC engine was not even close to as brutal, even if the LC engine was pretty damn hectic aswell for being an LC.
My PV engine probably feels more "kicky" then one with working valves though, but I'm not talking about the powerband kick now, I'm talking about the pulling power of the thing once IN the powerband. The PV is BY FAR more powerful, period.

I'll be making a video of it someday. Hopefully (and quite likely) before the year ends.

PS: I'm not bashing LC's now, I think they are great aswell and if I had an LC engine as fresh as my PV engine, I wouldn't cry about using it. I've been a happy LC rider for about 4 years now, they're powerful enough and great fun.
They have their weaknesses (for instance the fact that you can't pop the barrels off without titting up the head gasket, or a crank that is pretty much insignificantly "weaker", or the clutch engage mechanism which isn't very good, etc) but it's not that bad tbh.

AND, you can make a somewhat reliable beast of an LC aswell, you just gotta know a thing or two about tuning and have some $$$'s to throw at it.

[gibsonexhausts]

Personally always prefered the look of a LC. But the YPVS's are to be found at good prices at the moment. Of all the YPVS's I have never got on with the LC2 and prefer the F2. The F2 is a great all round bike, good on the back roads and not bad sitting on a motorway either.

If I had to choose 1 over the other, it would be the LC. But at the moment with values as they are I would say you will ge a better buy from a YPVS.

Good luck with your search

[stuboy]

Billy mate having ridden a stage 3 race tuned YPVS I would hardly say it beats the crap out of an LC engine. If you are Casey Stoner then yes maybe you could get better lap times but in the average motorcylcist hands i would say the only improvements are the front forks and no flat spot. And for them improvements the YPVS is one of the blandest looking bikes Yamaha made !! And as far as reliability goes I know plenty of YPVS boys who have had a long walk home. :-). I have lost count of the YPVS owners who have told me they would rather have my LC.(especially the cr#p Brazilian YPVS !!)

[lcowner]

lc's are faster better looking and will get u laid!!

[stuboy]

If you want a fast , good handling reliable bike then a modern 600 four stroke wins hands down so lets not loose sight of the reason we want an LC !!! Its to make a noise, leak oil on car parks and to stand out from the crowd :-). no offence meant to billy btw :-)

[photoman1963]

are the YPRS german imports worth buying 83 model for say £2900?? 30k miles

[nikfubar]

Yeah & made for f**kin midgets

[Norbo]

Oct 18, 2011 18:46:20 GMT 1 photoman1963 said:

are the YPVS german imports worth buying 83 model for say £2900?? 30k miles

That sounds a lot for that bike .

Id keep looking .

and theres no way an LC is as fast as a valve with the same work done . LOL .

[stuboy]

If you want a cheap , fast two stroke buy a later RGV250. They are sexy, cheap and would leave an LC and a YPVS wondering what day of the week it is as it dissapears into the distance. I have seen 1996 ones go for 1- 2 k. That is a true street racing machine.

[cj]

Simply a case of "Potato, Potato, Spud" It's all down to what floats your Love Boat ;D

[stanlc7189]

It all depends what you're after. LCs are 30 year old bikes with 30 year old technology. They kick out around 50 bhp and weigh 143 ish kg. The YPVS has another 12 bhp, so will be quicker on an apples-to-apples comparison. That's not the point though. The LC is an LC, the YPVS is a YPVS. If you're after performance, then you're not really going to be satisfied with either an LC, YPVS or RGV 250. The latter would get completely destroyed by a 150 bhp, 175 mph GSX-R750 weighing only 20 kg more. And so it goes on until you get to MotoGP bikes etc.

The whole point of wanting an LC is because you want an LC! Period! In that respect, a YPVS, RGV, GSX-R or anything else won't do.

[stuboy]

LC's have ledgend status it is the biggest crowd puller I have ever owned. It has been photographed by more people than the queen !! I have lost count of all the people that have come up and the first thing said to me is "Nice LC I used to have one of them ". On the road the try their best to throw you off at every opurtunity but that is half the fun wrestling with it.
When I got back on an Elsie it was if I had never been without one. Now all I need is another GTX7 and my old paddock is complete :-)

[j10src]

Having owned 350 & 250 lc's, 350lc11 ypvs, 350n1 ypvs, rg250 gamma, kwacker kris 250 & Honda ns400r many years ago I can honestly say they all have their own unique positives & negatives. As stanic says a 30 year old 2 stroke is no comparison to a modern sports bike but after owning them for the past 20 years I've still gone out and bought an old LC.
I'll just keep the fireblade for longer rides out and save the LC for special occasions when it will really get noticed. :-)

[Norbo]

Glad to hear it. and lets face it a blade may be good but the feeling you get on a stroker ids better

[j10src]

Headcoats that Roberts special just looks awesome, wish it was in my garage :-) :-)

[atomicstroker]

I got a 250 YPVS 31k and 2 x 350 F2's and didn't pay a fortune for any of them. 2k should get you a very nice F2 and I think that's a good place to start. Generally reliable, loads of spares availability and lots of info out there. Go on take the plunge, you know you want to.

[Witterz]

Yamaha 4L0's are not just bikes, they're an addiction !!
They take up all your time, all your money.
If your not riding them, you're rebuilding them, fixing them, or reading about them on Forums.
But hey, what else would you do ?, oh - and dont ask my wife that question, she's got a list growing !!

[ianboom]

LC looks best, YPVS motor is the most powerful and reliable-in my opinion!!

A 250LC is probably the cheapest way to buy an LC, but I know where there's a nice YPVS N2 for sale!!!