DVLA Dating certificates

[Paul Dawkins]

How to make an application for the retention of a vehicle's original registration mark

If you own a motor vehicle whose registration mark is not held by the DVLA, you may still be able to successfully apply for the retention of its original registration mark. To retain the vehicles original registration mark you must however be able to provide documentary `proof` linking the machine to the registration mark. This proof should ideally be an old buff, or green, logbook. If neither is available then the following may also be considered at the discretion of the DVLA a pre-1983 tax disc or MOT certificate, or an extract from suitable approved archive records.

If you can provide any of the above take the following steps.

1. Contact the DVLA or your Local DVLA Office www.direct.gov.uk/en/Dl1/Directories/UsefulContactsByCategory/MotoringContacts/DG_10012974 and check if the registration mark is listed on the DVLA computer.
2. If the mark is not listed ask for forms V765]www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_4009702.pdf & V55/5 to be posted to you.
www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/onlineservices/order_forms.aspx

3. Complete both forms and post them to the address below with full details of the machine including frame and engine numbers.
Documentary proof that clearly links the registration mark to vehicle.
Two photographs of the complete machine. One photograph each of both the frame and engine numbers.

A paypal payment to [e-mail] for £30.

www.paypal.co.uk

How to apply for an `age related` registration mark.

All applications for `age related` registration marks are dealt with by your local DVLA office and the vehicle must be roadworthy and have both an M.O.T. certificate (this will show the frame number only as there is not registration number at this point) and insurance cover note showing the frame number when an application is made. You also require a `dating certificate` verifying the vehicles age and you will need some photo ID and a utility bill..

To issue you this certificate I require you send me photos of thge frame and engine numbers and one photo of each side plus front and rear.
To then proceed;
1. Obtain M.O.T, insurance cover note, & dating certificate.
2. Complete form V55/5]www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/onlineservices/order_forms.aspx
showing the date you wish the tax disk to run from.
3. Present all of the above documents, plus a cheque for any Vehicle Excise Duty and first registration fee where applicable to your nearest DVLA office.
First registration fee is curently £55

The DVLA may wish to inspect the vehicle before issuing a registration mark

Postal Address:
Paul Dawkins
DVLA Dating officer
Linwood Cottage
Greenhill Lane
Toothill
Rownhams
Southampton
Hampshire
SO16 8AN

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[Norbo]

Thanks a lot mate it came to day and i took it to the DVLA in notts with my V5 and tyhey sent it if thats wewas it no forms to fill in or anything . they just took your letter and the V5 and said they would send me a new V5. They did say they may get a request to look at the bike . so i said thats fine .

[Sunny]

CHEERS FOR THE INFO IT ALL HELPS

[Paul Dawkins]

I can also do your MOTs now for those who live in the Southampton area.
I am now an MOT inspector as well as a DVLA dating officer.

[t4vanman]

Hi,
is the second part applicable to u.s imports as i will needing to register my old gt550j very soon? cheers

[t4vanman]

Hi Paul thanks for your help pictures arriving soon.

[2archrival]

Paul. Quick question, I bought an rd400e with thelog book, sent it off but forgot to keep a copy - call me daft,dvla appear to have lost it, the bike was and remains in bits but because of that there's no number plate to use to apply for a copy certificate, what are my best options, it has matchingframe and engine numbers, the original seller thought this was just a pile of bits and not anything of note so hasn't a record themselves

[Deleted]

Hi i have just bought a german rd250lc,Ihave both parts of the german logbook.Do i still need a dating certificate to register it in the uk?

[Paul Dawkins]

Nov 2, 2012 0:16:12 GMT 1 2archrival said:

Paul. Quick question, I bought an rd400e with thelog book, sent it off but forgot to keep a copy - call me daft,dvla appear to have lost it, the bike was and remains in bits but because of that there's no number plate to use to apply for a copy certificate, what are my best options, it has matchingframe and engine numbers, the original seller thought this was just a pile of bits and not anything of note so hasn't a record themselves

You will need to find the reg number by the frame number.
I can do that by doing a HPI check.
Send me the frame number.

heres how

www.aircooledrdclub.com/smf/index.php?topic=33244.0

[Paul Dawkins]

Nov 2, 2012 12:38:09 GMT 1 archmc1 said:

Hi i have just bought a german rd250lc,Ihave both parts of the german logbook.Do i still need a dating certificate to register it in the uk?

That should be enough to get an age related plate but sometimes they ask for a dating certifcate as well.

[Deleted]

Hi , thanks for your help hope to receive the dating certificate in the post soon , many thanks

[Yogi]

Hi Paul will I have probs getting an age related plate for a Swiss 250ypvs. I bought off a Belgium bloke on eBay?

[deltadave]

Hi Paul the 250lc i bought was a just a rolling chassis ( uk )and the v5 is lost and no plate ,i had to find a engine which is from a german bike ,with the bike being restored at the moment its not possible to m.o.t ,if i send you the frame number and pics (frame has been powder coated now and dont stand out as they use to) would you be able to either find me the details to apply for age relating documents ,cheers for your hard work

[Paul Dawkins]

Mar 7, 2013 16:53:22 GMT 1 deltadave said:

Hi Paul the 250lc i bought was a just a rolling chassis ( uk )and the v5 is lost and no plate ,i had to find a engine which is from a german bike ,with the bike being restored at the moment its not possible to m.o.t ,if i send you the frame number and pics (frame has been powder coated now and dont stand out as they use to) would you be able to either find me the details to apply for age relating documents ,cheers for your hard work

I can get a check done for a fiver, this will tell us if the bike is registered with DVLA and if it is it will give you the number plate and then you can apply for the V5.

If its not then you will need a dating certifcate.

[deltadave]

cheers Paul will sort it tomorrow thanks again

[deltadave]

This man is a star ,cheers Paul

[yamanastic]

pm sent

[constable003]

hi,need help with a rdlc frame which i brought.have no paperwork with it,and believe it to be a german frame.how do i go about getting a dating cert for it,before i start a rebuild on it? cheers shawn

[museumman]

I've had several German and Belgian 'imports' (I hate that word as they're all imported from Japan lol) with no logbooks. A dating cert is fine for DVLA. You just need a name and receipt from the country it came from. Note: this was for the pre-online system when you filled in a VAT 414. I'll be doing a couple next month, so will update if it's changed.

Every other person must have a German friend to provide the above, the amount of German bikes in the UK now!

Also if you have a non EU bike with a frame number that doesn't give the game away, then just do the above. i.e 10W, 10V, 4L0, 4L1 could have come from anywhere

If your bike blatantly comes from outside the EU, then you have to pay a bit of duty, I say a bit as you're not going to admit you paid UK nostalgia tax right ?
Strictly speaking you should pay duty on the bike and the transport fees i.e importing a bike to a port from Japan won't get released with out all the bills being taxed.
If you pay a bike transporter £450 to pick up a Swiss bike and he gets nobbled, that goes on to the bill  thank you very much.
Which is why some dealers will.. ahem.. point out that you probably imported it yourself to avoid complications and extra costs


Oh and a quick moan that the £55 DVLA wants, is a bloody rip off for old bikes.especially when you have a 50 euro scooter to register for your nephew
I understand the same fee would be paid by someone buying a new Ferrari  (that fee went from £26 to £38 to £55 in a matter of a couple of years, whose wages rose that % ?) 

[swifty]

HI,Whats a nova paper swiss import Hip checked all ok saying no log book and not checked N M R. AS HAS REG NO . THANKS DAVE.

[goodpw]

Hi Paul.
I wish I had found this earlier.
I'm fairly well advanced with trying to get the reg from the green slip that came with my bike.
So far:-
a) I submitted a request to get C plate that I thought came with the bike.
b) DVLA requested I have the bike inspected at my local DVLA off ice in Shrewsbury. Done.
c) Had a couple of calls with DVLA Swansea, they have been extremely helpful & I genuinely can't believe the effort they're putting in.
d) Been told today that the frame appears to be a D reg & the DVLA are attempting to contact the last known owner to verify it's status.
e) My fingers are crossed & I'm off on hols for next few weeks so that will take my mind off it while the process to take it's course.

I think your way would have saved me fair a bit of faffing about.
I know two things for next time
1) Be more careful when buying.
2) Do more research on the best way to get out of the hole I have dug for myself.

Cheers.
Goody

[wawenwong]

Paul I need a dating certificate for my yamaha SDR ? Can you do one of these bikes please ?

Cheers

Dave

[spondon440]

Hi Paul,

I bought a pile of parts, Triumph T140V frame and various tr6 and 120r parts that will make a bike (I like to buy no hopers that way purists don't get upset when I make a special out of it), I think the frame is uk, can I find out what its registration was before I waste time and money on it?

Thanks

Andy

[richw]

Hi Paul
When applying for the dating certificates will emailed photos to you be ok.
I also understand you can run a check to see if a bike has a registration from it's frame number.I need this doing on my Honda CB160 which has been raced and lost its registration.

[lesm3]

hi paul i have just bought an lc350 from ireland i have contacted dvla the reg number is not on there records i am not sure which is my best option to keep existing number or an age related plate what is yor thoughts

[li150ss]

hi Paul, im just on with filling a V55/5 form, who do I make cheque to. £55 for registration an £38 road tax, is it just DVLA and would I be better writing cheques seperate

[unrealedd]

Im currently interested in a bike its 1982/3 and a uk bike but has never been registered. Do i just get age relevant details and apply for first registration or does in not work this way.
Any tips would be great as not done this before.
Thanks in advance…...

[chrisg]

Can I get my bike changed over to "classic classification" ie. no tax/MOT required, even if it is sorned and has no current MOT

[shaunthe2nd]

Jul 7, 2020 19:04:24 GMT 1 chrisg said:

Can I get my bike changed over to "classic classification" ie. no tax/MOT required, even if it is sorned and has no current MOT

Just take your V5 to the post office and they will sort it for you.

[chrisg]

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