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Post by veg on Jan 19, 2024 10:33:42 GMT 1
I thought it was well known Don’t Buy a Jeep think British build quality with an even more impressive DGaF attitude to the consumer. Look at reliability results it’s always the same; JLR products, Fiat Chrysler and ironically Citroen (the clue is in the name) total lemons
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Post by JonW on Jan 20, 2024 12:40:47 GMT 1
I thought it was well known Don’t Buy a Jeep think British build quality with an even more impressive DGaF attitude to the consumer. Look at reliability results it’s always the same; JLR products, Fiat Chrysler and ironically Citroen (the clue is in the name) total lemons Agreed. Fyi the Teg Sethi thing was from 2015... almost 10 years ago now. Jeep and its Fiat/Chrysler brethren* are no better now... avoid like the plague! * - Including Maserati of course, which shares parts with the junk cheapies.
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Post by donkeychomp on Jan 20, 2024 22:11:21 GMT 1
Brace yourselves. I found a load of old photo albums in the garage and was hoping for a very young me on an assortment of bikes...but no. I did find this pic though. After I had given it a 'splat' paint job. Alex
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Post by veg on Jan 20, 2024 23:02:40 GMT 1
Genuinely I really do like 2cv’s.
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Post by donkeychomp on Jan 20, 2024 23:48:41 GMT 1
I do worry about you at times. Have you ever driven one? It's not pleasant in any way shape or form.
Perhaps you should get in touch with the L'association d'aide aux addcits 2CV? Very helpful bunch. It's like a rehab for crack addicts. They help wean you off the desire for 2CV ownership. They have films you can watch, such as Le landau renversé, and Ma 2CV, c'est la mort sur roues. Therapy includes sitting on a plank of wood for four hours, then sitting on a comfy chair for 30 minutes and explaining how the difference is in journey times with a 2CV and any other car that isn't a Citroen. If all else fails the sure fire cure is buying one. One week of ownership usually suffices.
Alex
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Post by JonW on Jan 21, 2024 0:37:15 GMT 1
I'm sure ive told this story before, but I remember my cousin picking me and my sister up from Croydon and driving us to Bristol and back for the weekend... in a 2CV. The M4 isnt the place to look down at your feet and see the road whizzing (term used loosely as it was firmly the inside lane at probably about 40mph) by though the holes in the floor.
This journey let me know that the 2CV was probably ok when it was new if you wanted to cart eggs across a ploughed field in France where the population is sparse out of town, but as a 'modern' (even the in 80s) conveyance it lacked almost everything and was really just a death trap.
There is a guy using one round here... on fast roads that are almost solid with a mix of utes, suvs, busses and B-Double trucks. #Deathwish
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Post by pdxjim on Jan 21, 2024 1:35:58 GMT 1
Despite being crap, JEEPs are still very popular here in the states.
I’m a little surprised you even have them over there.
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Post by dusty350 on Jan 21, 2024 8:37:56 GMT 1
You've got the 2CV all wrong fellas ! It actually makes for a very rugged rally car ! One Sunday, a member of the public turns up at the station to drop off an MOT failure 2CV - we took old cars in for cutting practice. This failed on rust, but was fully operational. Anyway, bored Firemen are a very dangerous animal, and within an hour or so we had started to strip it down with a very basic tool kit we kept on the Fire Engine. Bits were removed very easily - even the doors just came away with very little effort. Then we decided we would have a rally competition around the station yard. It was full of rubble as the yard was made from large concrete slabs and some had been dug up for repair, so we heaped rubble to make a slalom and some jumps, put cones out that you had to reverse into, then out again - a mini rally course really, and each driver was timed. We absolutely ragged that little car, got it (semi) airbourne over the rubble jumps, did handbrake turns (sort of) in the bay that had a slippy tiled floor (slippy cos we soaked it with the hose !) and generally thrashed it around the course without mercy, and we couldn't kill it (we tried very hard !) This pic is our Leading Hand, Chippy (RIP) who was actually in charge of us and probably the most dangerous of all, testing some early modifications; 20190903_193152 by dusty miller, on Flickr Further tweaks to save weight and cut course times meant it ended up with just the drivers seat and the bulk head - sadly no pics of that. Citroen missed a trick - if they had entered a 2cv in the WRX Championship, it would have cleaned up !!
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Post by Gitram on Jan 21, 2024 10:41:37 GMT 1
2CV, the only convertible i have driven... gears were a bit strange.. as i recall, there was a kit car using the chassis to build something which resembled a Morgan..
marti
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Post by tony2stroke on Jan 21, 2024 12:13:28 GMT 1
Brace yourselves. I found a load of old photo albums in the garage and was hoping for a very young me on an assortment of bikes...but no. I did find this pic though. After I had given it a 'splat' paint job. Alex Is that you running away as someone else took the picture Alex
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Post by JonW on Jan 21, 2024 12:49:55 GMT 1
Despite being crap, JEEPs are still very popular here in the states. I’m a little surprised you even have them over there. We have quite a few American cars in Aus now including Rams and Silverados... waaay too big for our parking spaces. And when converted to RHD they cost double what they do in the USA too...
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Post by veg on Jan 21, 2024 13:21:32 GMT 1
Never understood the desire for modern American vehicles. Pound for pound both value and weight they don’t do anything better than any European or Asian vehicle, they generally are over inflated purchase price wise so aren’t in direct competition with what they are in their home market and imo areas well built as the competition. They are also built for very different driving needs and conditions and make no sense on European roads. The romance of the ‘American dream’ perhaps?
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Post by donkeychomp on Jan 21, 2024 22:16:46 GMT 1
Brace yourselves. I found a load of old photo albums in the garage and was hoping for a very young me on an assortment of bikes...but no. I did find this pic though. After I had given it a 'splat' paint job. Alex Is that you running away as someone else took the picture Alex No...I took the photo. But I guess whoever that was didn't want to be associated with the 2CV. Wise man. Alex
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Post by donkeychomp on Jan 21, 2024 22:20:12 GMT 1
American cars don't even work well in America. When I lived there I had a Chevy Caprice (it was dirt cheap). Whopping great V8 that did about 15mpg and a top end of maybe 80. 0-60 could be timed with a sun dial. Over here they make zero sense, especially as they are LHD. Though you could buy a new Mustang in RHD but why the hell would you want to do that? Disposable cars for a disposable world I guess.
Alex
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Post by JonW on Jan 22, 2024 13:19:09 GMT 1
We have loads of Mustangs here in RHD. The introduction of them came around the same time as Ford and Holden stopping local production, so we lost our own V8 cars and that kicked off a flurry of interest in the 'stang with its V8 it seemed.
Interestingly (perhaps) the Camaro was designed in Aus... but we dont get it here. Ive driven it... and, Im not missing it lol. I would quite like a Challenger tho, I liked driving those. But thats not an option now its no longer in production.
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Post by lc350pete on Jan 22, 2024 16:39:41 GMT 1
Never have regretted any bike but the 3 year old Ford Sierra 1.6 we bought years ago was a big mistake, actually was reliable and easy to repair but just rotted away especially the doors never had a car that rusted like that , apparently the steel they used was poor quality, after that swore I’d never buy another Ford
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Post by pdxjim on Jan 22, 2024 17:44:58 GMT 1
American cars don't even work well in America. When I lived there I had a Chevy Caprice (it was dirt cheap). Whopping great V8 that did about 15mpg and a top end of maybe 80. 0-60 could be timed with a sun dial. Over here they make zero sense, especially as they are LHD. Though you could buy a new Mustang in RHD but why the hell would you want to do that? Disposable cars for a disposable world I guess. Alex Common knowledge here that American cars were the standard of the industry thru the 60's, but design/engineering/materials/fit and finish fell off a cliff in the early 70's and remained sh!t until the mid '00's when the industry turned around and focused on making a quality product once again. Ford/Dodge pickups were the only quality American automotive industry products available during those dark years. We had an '05ish Ford Escape company car that wasn't too bad, I guess. I had true 4WD which was fun, but I'd never buy one. I mean, they're still pretty crap, and I'd never consider buying an American car, except maybe a truck. Thankfully some smaller and mid-size offerings have popped up to compete with the Toyota Tacoma/Hilux which has been the class leader forever. The compact(ish) front wheel drive Ford Maverick Hybrid totally bucks the "bigger is better" trend and gets great mpg and reviews. Still, I'll likely stick with my Toyotas. We've had many thru the years and they have always bean dead reliable, even when abused. Including our current '19 Rav4 XSE Hybrid.
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Post by veg on Jan 22, 2024 17:52:16 GMT 1
Reminds me of another. It was such a crap car id totally erased it from my mind. My ex and I had 4 kids between us and subsequently needed a 7 seater. So we bought an ex demo Renault espace. It was the mark 4 version which ended up being the 3rd lowest rated car at the time little did I know. It had only 1000 miles on it when I bought it. Within 3 months the clutch went needed a new clutch and master cylinder, then brake master cylinder went, then the gearbox all within 12 months. Thankfully the gearbox went 1 mile from home having driven to France and back. Then the injectors played up, then the turbo then the rear brake cylinders and finally all the seals around the rear hatchback went which I didn’t know which then tripped all the rear airbag switches (fortunately they didn’t activate because they couldn’t) the whole of the rear compartment had water creep, which meant new interior panels and rear seats oh and the wash wiper reservoir pump went and a couple of minor bits. Absolutely worst bag of shite I’ve ever owned. I always liked the French design approach and philosophy unfortunately they are built by Pernod drinking gauloise smoking un branleur . They may have a unique design style but I’ll never own another French car.
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Post by pdxjim on Jan 22, 2024 17:52:50 GMT 1
We have loads of Mustangs here in RHD. The introduction of them came around the same time as Ford and Holden stopping local production, so we lost our own V8 cars and that kicked off a flurry of interest in the 'stang with its V8 it seemed. Interestingly (perhaps) the Camaro was designed in Aus... but we dont get it here. Ive driven it... and, Im not missing it lol. I would quite like a Challenger tho, I liked driving those. But thats not an option now its no longer in production. The only Aussie car I can recall seeing here is the mid '00's 6L Pontiac GTO, which I believe was a rebadged LHD version of the Holden Monaro. The drifty bois love 'em.
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Post by JonW on Jan 22, 2024 23:33:19 GMT 1
We have loads of Mustangs here in RHD. The introduction of them came around the same time as Ford and Holden stopping local production, so we lost our own V8 cars and that kicked off a flurry of interest in the 'stang with its V8 it seemed. Interestingly (perhaps) the Camaro was designed in Aus... but we dont get it here. Ive driven it... and, Im not missing it lol. I would quite like a Challenger tho, I liked driving those. But thats not an option now its no longer in production. The only Aussie car I can recall seeing here is the mid '00's 6L Pontiac GTO, which I believe was a rebadged LHD version of the Holden Monaro. The drifty bois love 'em. There is also the Pontiac G8, thats a rebaged Holden Commodore. Holden is gone now and our local Ford factory is also closed so no more Falcons either, both closed in the mid 2010s by the parent companies.
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Post by silkyzxr on Apr 8, 2024 12:27:42 GMT 1
Desperate for 4 wheels at the time and had an Austin Allegro. What an absolute crock of poo.
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Post by geoffers997 on Apr 9, 2024 15:26:57 GMT 1
Desperate for 4 wheels at the time and had an Austin Allegro. What an absolute crock of poo. I had one too and entirely agree. Only bought it to sh8g girls in as I was young, broke and living wiv me mum
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Post by JonW on Apr 10, 2024 3:56:30 GMT 1
A mate of mine's dad worked at the local Austin Rover dealer and a nice old chap traded in his mint low miles Allegro Vanden Plas and got next to nothing for it so it came home with him and we used it quite a bit. It was all burr walnut, wilton carpets and leather... whos weight made it even slower of course. It was amazing tho condition wise and must have been very exy when new. I dont recall him getting any birds cos of it... Tho nor did I in my mums Metro lol
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Post by cbm on Apr 10, 2024 5:58:43 GMT 1
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Post by JonW on Apr 10, 2024 6:11:00 GMT 1
With used values tumbling anyone who bought an EV with their own money must be wishing they hadn't. Here's an real life example, a 20 plate i-Pace HSE with 6ooomls on it bought in May 2021 for £59k, sold late 2022 for £53k, it'd now be worth whatever the mileage is £25k at best. The future my ar5e Yes Ive seen quite a bit written/vlogged about this recently. It seems most EVs sold were high end models and most were leased. Used dealers are staying away in droves as they cant see how good the battery is so cant judge how good 'the engine' is as the batt represents about 50% of the drivetrain etc. Some batts cost £10k+ Lets face it. Who leases a high end EV with no thoughts on keeping it and then charges it slowly and often... nah, they fast charge it every time from as low as it'll go. The batt health wont be good for the next guy, but they dont care... life = convenience of course. I get it, id do the same I expect. So with the trade staying away from these EVs, used prices have tumbled. It seems they are thinking 'Why take a risk? we know where we are with petrol/diesel' etc. The future is having a few growing pains and the customers are the ones paying for it.
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