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Post by darboots on Jan 13, 2023 14:41:07 GMT 1
I'm considering 'home painting' my LC2 resto, and am just wondering how much of each (paint) coating I'm likely to need.
The scheme is '83 white & red (front mudguard).
Currently, the tank is in the later '84 "wide red stripe design" - apparently the PO liked this scheme better, although it appears not enough to have the side panels and belly pan painted in the same scheme! Therefore, the tank will need a complete respray.
I have: LC2 tank - as above, in the '84 scheme. Needs to be rubbed back, through decals, and prepped up. Tank liner is in situ, and in good condition, so I can't safely use stripper.
Poly side panels in bare plastic. I think I need to prep these with plastic primer before top coating and gloss clear coating.
Belly pan is '83 scheme, but again, needs respraying. This also needs rubbing back after some minor (Wurth) plastic repairs. Bikini fairing - currently 50/50 red/white '84 scheme, but has been rubbed back by PO in prep for spraying. Tail piece - NOS 'bare' in white primer(?)
Front mudguard is currently red, but needs respraying. - I have red Hycote for this.
So, if I was to, say, order from RS Paints, I'm looking for some ideas as to how much paint I'll need.
I'm guessing I'll need: Plastic primer (muddy and side panels)
Etch primer (for tank)
Possibly high build primer (for tank)
Base coat Colour coat Gloss clear coat
Any guidance on quantities?
I'm hoping to use a compressor and gun for spraying, but may go aerosols if my bottle goes.
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Post by freddie19 on Jan 13, 2023 15:11:47 GMT 1
I'll be interested to hear any replies also as I'm considering doing a Kenny Eagle LC2 paint job myself soon.
It's only for a different spare set of bodywork for my hybrid project so I'm not expecting perfection.
Good luck with your replies, I'm sure you'll get some good advice.👍
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Post by abar121 on Jan 13, 2023 15:25:43 GMT 1
I wouldn't necessarily go to RS bike paints. You'll get a better selection for less money at our local bodywork paint shop.
Find the equivalent or close enough paint code for a car, then go and get a can of celly or 2k depending on what you are spraying and your equipment, including mask etc.
500ml neat will make 1ltr mixed, which is plenty to paint a 31k. Image works / Norbo have the decals and you'll also need lacquer, petrol resistant at least for the tank. A HVLP gun and a compressor with 50 Litre tank or greater will do. You'll also need a long hose and a reg/water trap.
Plastic primer for the panels, epoxy primer for the tank ideally.
There are lots of great YT vids out there to help. Have fun!
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Post by darboots on Jan 13, 2023 16:09:11 GMT 1
I wouldn't necessarily go to RS bike paints. You'll get a better selection for less money at our local bodywork paint shop. Find the equivalent or close enough paint code for a car, then go and get a can of celly or 2k depending on what you are spraying and your equipment, including mask etc. 500ml neat will make 1ltr mixed, which is plenty to paint a 31k. Image works / Norbo have the decals and you'll also need lacquer, petrol resistant at least for the tank. A HVLP gun and a compressor with 50 Litre tank or greater will do. You'll also need a long hose and a reg/water trap. Plastic primer for the panels, epoxy primer for the tank ideally. There are lots of great YT vids out there to help. Have fun! Hmmm. I was previously wondering about using VW Oryx White Pearl - I had a VW CC in that 'premium' colour, and the pearl looks insane when in sunlight.
I've got a compressor and HVLP gun, but have not used either for painting - bit nervous about it! I'll look to get a long hose and water trap. I have used a small compressor and airbrush for modelling, but scaling it up is worrying.
Top tip on the epoxy primer - I'll look to get some of that.
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Post by abar121 on Jan 13, 2023 16:22:05 GMT 1
[ Hmmm. I was previously wondering about using VW Oryx White Pearl - I had a VW CC in that 'premium' colour, and the pearl looks insane when in sunlight. I've got a compressor and HVLP gun, but have not used either for painting - bit nervous about it! I'll look to get a long hose and water trap. I have used a small compressor and airbrush for modelling, but scaling it up is worrying.
Top tip on the epoxy primer - I'll look to get some of that.
Cool, that would look lovely when done. The only thing with met / peal paint is that you can't sand it before lacquer, if you aren't happy with the finish. So plenty of practice first!
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Post by stirling11 on Jan 13, 2023 18:04:57 GMT 1
If you are using a compressor you not only need the oil and water trap you also need a dryer to remove all the water vapour generated by the compressor
You will also need one with a large enough free air delivery (FAD) to power a spray gun continuously
This means you need to look at you spray guns specs and see how much free air delivery it requires, you'll be surprised at how much they actually need
No point spraying and you get half way through the job and you run out of air, it won't look or hear pretty as a few choice words will get uttered
As for me, I use 2K rattle cans, I practised with the el cheapo rattle cans and watch spray painters intently as to what techniques they used then applied what I say to the rattle cans
I've completed 4 rims, a couple of side covers and top engine case and I think I've done all right
Good luck with your search
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Post by ajh on Jan 13, 2023 19:40:31 GMT 1
Ive painted a couple of bikes using 2K rattlecans, the last was black which has to be perfect. Theyre quite expensive but at least the paint is mixed and theres no messing around with guns. Have to wear respirator with 2k though. 90% is all about the prep, putting the paint on is relatively easy. I strip to bare metal/plastic, treat any rust and then expoxy sealer. Then high build primer and flatten using a black guide coat until the surface is perfect Then apply paint followed by decals and lacquer. Then after a few days cut/flatten and polish the lacquer. The hardest part for me is applying decals Got a video here that shows the stages of my last paintjob. Hope it helps
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Post by freddie19 on Jan 13, 2023 21:29:41 GMT 1
Just priced up all the paints for my Kenny Eagle project on RS paints website and it ain't cheap!😩 Does include a few masks but hey, I'm gonna need them! Guess I could save a bit if I just bought the primers, the black and the white from Halfords!😁 As I said it's only for a project hybrid so rattle can's is the way I'm gonna go. I like the challenge and I'm pretty good with decals................sooo what could go wrong! Famous last words!🤣🤣🤣 Oh, and around £100 for the decals so it soon adds up......£265 and counting!😱
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 13, 2023 21:44:28 GMT 1
I'd be buying Every thing other than the competition yellow elsewhere
When I bought the silky white and stormy red they said I needed a base coat for each
Surprise, surprise they were both just plain white base
I'd be buying some u pol or something like that
And make sure you get the solvent stuff. They sent me water based once and I didn't like it
Steve
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Post by freddie19 on Jan 13, 2023 21:49:51 GMT 1
Yeah, that's probably the way I'll go as well Steve!
Good old Ford diamond white and a plain gloss black will probably be just as good.
And a fair bit cheaper!👍😁
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 13, 2023 21:55:45 GMT 1
The LC I'm building will have a budget Kenny job
Not using a candy, probably going RAL 1032 Broom yellow
Steve
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Post by LC_BOTT on Jan 13, 2023 22:46:09 GMT 1
RS paints aren't too bad price wise, I've painted a couple of bikes now (using aerosols) and the local paint shop are over £15 per can, and that was a couple of years ago now. I did as mentioned above, used cheap base stuff, primer, high build etc, all from 'The Range', then paid approx £20+ for 2K lacquer.
But if you're thinking of using the face masks for that. Read a few horror stories about breathing iso-cyanate fumes. I bought proper air fed stuff first (another added cost) Very satisfying looking at the finished job, especially when it's saved you over £800 to get it done professionally.
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Post by ajh on Jan 13, 2023 23:28:01 GMT 1
Just priced up all the paints for my Kenny Eagle project on RS paints website and it ain't cheap!😩 Does include a few masks but hey, I'm gonna need them! Guess I could save a bit if I just bought the primers, the black and the white from Halfords!😁 As I said it's only for a project hybrid so rattle can's is the way I'm gonna go. I like the challenge and I'm pretty good with decals................sooo what could go wrong! Famous last words!🤣🤣🤣 Oh, and around £100 for the decals so it soon adds up......£265 and counting!😱 Cost me about 120 quid to do the Honda, that was 2 aerosols of 2k paint and 2 of 2k lacquer plus primers make sure you use 2k paint and /or lacquer on the tank as I think it’s the only true fuel resistant option, don’t rely on the bs on some 1k paints that they are fuel proof
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Post by donkeychomp on Jan 13, 2023 23:39:28 GMT 1
The key to all of this is make sure the surfaces to be painted are spotless. There are loads of products to wipe things over but finish with a tack rag. And do it in a warm environment. I've done lots of bikes with rattle cans and you can achieve some amazing results, but take your time with it!
Alex
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Post by freddie19 on Jan 14, 2023 0:15:40 GMT 1
Just found an old 400 ml can of RS paints Competition Yellow, it's not that big! 😩 Looks like I'm gonna need at least 2 cans to complete all the paintwork. There goes the budget!😂
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Post by bare on Jan 14, 2023 1:20:01 GMT 1
Freddy: Please Learn how to resize your Pix !
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Post by freddie19 on Jan 14, 2023 1:42:33 GMT 1
Looks fine on my phone bare......which is what I use!!!😁
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Post by abar121 on Jan 14, 2023 11:22:10 GMT 1
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 14, 2023 12:05:28 GMT 1
Fiat Broom yellow is all over the internet as a good option
Sure there was a Brittish Leyland match as well
Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 14, 2023 12:12:26 GMT 1
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Post by alankelly on Jan 15, 2023 0:37:58 GMT 1
Fiat Broom yellow is all over the internet as a good option Sure there was a Brittish Leyland match as well Steve Hi all As Steve said Fiat Broom yellow is a good match and my Yellow peril is Fiat broom yellow. (And was done with rattle cans and lots of time and patience) As Alex said earlier time and prep is everything and ensuring between each stage of paint that the surface is perfectly clean and prepared for the next stage of paint. Best wishes Al
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Post by donkeychomp on Jan 15, 2023 1:11:15 GMT 1
et voila! Nice one Al.
Alex
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Post by chrisg on Jan 16, 2023 12:11:24 GMT 1
Ive used auto paints in the past and then either 2k clearcoat (can) or got a local bodyshop to top coat it for me. Any painter will tell you its all about the preparation. There loads on youtube to guide you. I clearcoated this myself. NOTE this is a non std colour. I had 2 sets, so this and one Modena red.
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Post by keith101 on Jan 16, 2023 12:25:41 GMT 1
Hi, I've had a 50litre compressor for years, spoke to my local auto spray suppliers very helpful. Rattle can or spray gun is not cheap and is time consuming but a lot cheaper than paying someone. I took a sample of the colours I wanted and they mixed it there and then. So I bought two tins of the colours, one under coat, specific paint thinners, 5l thinners for cleaning the gun, a 5l pre paint wipe plus lint free cloths.plastic measuring cups and paint filters. Can't remember the cost but it was expensive. Then bought a gravity spray gun on ebay as it appears to be the better option. Also added a gun pressure gauge and water trap. You can see it all adding up. I wore papper boiler suit, paper face mask plus a double filter mask and eye protection when spraying. Shed was sheeted up inside like a spray booth plus I have an extract fan in mine. Overspray goes everywhere so you do need it. Paint I used doesn't need a lacquer on top and it petrol proof. [So far] it's a lot of work and takes time and patience, cleaning the gun is a pain but then I have an ariel arrow I'm in the process of rebuilding so it will be used on that too, as I hate to think how much I'd get charged to get that done. Overall I would say use rattle cans if you can it's cheaper for a one off.
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Post by stirling11 on Jan 16, 2023 13:57:44 GMT 1
I use Spraymax 2K rattle cans
In my language they are $26 AUD per can, or roughly 13 quid
The finsih I get I can't complain about at all, it goes on real easy with a good spread and good coating thickness
I've had the odd run, i just waiyt until the paint has cured, sand and then touch up
I have all my pieces lined up on lazy Susan's or boards in whatever colour I need them to be, all ready to paint
You save so much time and paint that way
Less is more when using rattle cans, you think it could do with another pass, I'd leave until it cures then have another look, the paint will still flow over the surface, if you think it needs another coat it probably doesn't
And if you do another pass then that's where you get runs
It's just a case of flatting back and polishing
Don't paint on a rainy or humid day, the drier and warmer the better, in my experience I get a better finish that way
Good luck and have fun
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Post by darboots on Jan 16, 2023 15:56:46 GMT 1
Thanks for all of the replies and some great pointers.
The kit I have is an Aldi (Workzone) 24L compressor (262l/min, 9.3CFM) that I fear may not be up to the task. I also have a Draper HVLP gun, so again, am not sure if that will be man enough.
I'm starting to think that aerosols are going to be easier, and have managed to find "2K aerosols" on eBay, but not for pearl whites. "Proper" 2K mixer type aerosols, where you pop the underside of the can and then shake like mad, seem to be available for epoxy primer and some gloss coats, but I don't see the actual paint coats available like this.
I'm also unsure about what paint types mix - i.e. cellulose, and acrylic, etc. I's obviously need something fuel resistant (proof??) for the tank, and would prefer it for the whole bike to be honest.
abar121 kindly pointed me to the MIG welding forum which also has lots of info on painting.
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Post by ajh on Jan 16, 2023 20:54:52 GMT 1
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Post by darboots on Aug 4, 2023 11:15:46 GMT 1
Well, it's been several months since originally posting up, and I've been busy! Busy sanding, filling, sanding, priming, sanding, filling, sanding, priming... ad infinitum. Or so it seems. To say I'm pleased with the result so far is an understatement. I'm now done with the colour coat, and I'm very pleased with myself! This was achieved with 2K Ford Diamond White from Autopaint Huddersfield. This is the separately activated paint and hardener in an aerosol - pop the bottom and shake to mix type aerosol. The gloss is amazing. I've still got flies to remove, and Pearl White to spray over that. Then it's clearcoat, decals, and more clearcoat. The other bodywork is just as good. Onwards and upwards...
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Post by chrisg on Aug 4, 2023 22:38:07 GMT 1
Looking good. A lot of guys that do this professionally go to Image works to have the decals fitted. Its only a bit extra and then you know there correct.
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Post by shandyboy on Aug 4, 2023 22:50:30 GMT 1
Looking good for a home job
I would always use a 2K high build primer then solvent base coat 3x coats then a high solids clear coat 3x coats leave to dry and then flow coat it. lol,
however, I do lots of custom paint work, you need correct equipment, PPE ,compressor set up and ideally a spray booth so not to bad for a home attempt well done !
Pm me if you need any help or advice buddy as I know most painters think its a dark art and very secretive about it lol
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