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Post by stusco on Aug 7, 2021 19:07:52 GMT 1
So what precautions are we going to have to take to prevent damage to our bikes from e10 fuel or is there somewhere we can buy fuel without ethanol
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Aug 7, 2021 19:09:14 GMT 1
Afraid it just a case of buying Super unleaded as I do just now
It is staying at "up to" 5%
Steve
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Post by arrow on Aug 7, 2021 19:20:12 GMT 1
As Steve says. Super is a better fuel anyway, and safer in a few ways.
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Post by cb250g5 on Aug 7, 2021 19:20:14 GMT 1
It's worth remembering that the RD350R was designed and built to run on E100 fuel in Brazil.
If you're worried, buy Aspen fuel.
I'm going to give it a go in all my bikes, see what happens.
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Post by arrow on Aug 7, 2021 19:21:17 GMT 1
It's worth remembering that the RD350R was designed and built to run on E100 fuel in Brazil. If you're worried, buy Aspen fuel. I'm going to give it a go in all my bikes, see what happens. What's E100?
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Post by stusco on Aug 7, 2021 19:27:00 GMT 1
Afraid it just a case of buying Super unleaded as I do just now It is staying at "up to" 5% Steve Thats good to know I always use super unleaded anyway
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Post by freddie19 on Aug 7, 2021 19:27:00 GMT 1
I'm now using Esso 99+ Supreme in all my bikes as it's the only one that is totally ethanol free even though they have to officially label it E5.
Bloody expensive though, just paid £1.46.9 a litre.....gulp!😩
Christ, back in the day when I started riding on my good old Fizzy I was paying only 50p a gallon, wtf!😂😂😂
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Post by cb250g5 on Aug 7, 2021 19:47:53 GMT 1
It's worth remembering that the RD350R was designed and built to run on E100 fuel in Brazil. If you're worried, buy Aspen fuel. I'm going to give it a go in all my bikes, see what happens. What's E100? 100% ethanol I may be a bit wrong, due to the date of the RD, may only be in the 20's E22 or thereabouts. see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil
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Post by arrow on Aug 7, 2021 19:52:37 GMT 1
Wow! You learn something every day. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by steve h on Aug 7, 2021 20:19:04 GMT 1
It's worth remembering that the RD350R was designed and built to run on E100 fuel in Brazil. If you're worried, buy Aspen fuel. I'm going to give it a go in all my bikes, see what happens. I have aspen in one of mine, and in the garden tools. Leave it for ages and ages, and they fire up without the sweating and swearing and pulling and kicking. Only downside is £18-20 for 5 lts. But there again, its a fiver more than 20 fags.....
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Post by arrow on Aug 7, 2021 20:23:35 GMT 1
Its a pity this aspen isn't available as a dietary supplement!
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Post by ajh on Aug 7, 2021 20:52:33 GMT 1
I think this e10 panic is being vastly overdone. IMHO its only going to be a problem when stored for a few months or more so if your not going to use your RD drain the tank and float bowls. The US has been e10 forever and theres plenty of old RDs over there
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Post by tacky1 on Aug 8, 2021 5:31:29 GMT 1
We’ve been dealing with the E10 shite for years over in the USA. Biggest problem is it eats crank seals. Crank seals were never designed to be run with that crap. Also gums up the carbs really quick. Welcome to hell!!
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Post by steeley on Aug 8, 2021 7:48:53 GMT 1
We’ve been dealing with the E10 shite for years over in the USA. Biggest problem is it eats crank seals. Crank seals were never designed to be run with that crap. Also gums up the carbs really quick. Welcome to hell!! OH dear , crank seals eh . I am sure there will be more internal engine problems from this muck . Then there is the already fragile petrol tank interior and fuel lines . OH joy .
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Aug 8, 2021 10:07:28 GMT 1
I'd also be wary if your fuelling is on the edge as not sure if it burns hotter/leaner
Steve
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Post by arrow on Aug 8, 2021 10:12:01 GMT 1
It burns cooler, but it has a greater ability to draw in moisture from the air, which then reduces the octane rating. Not great.
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Post by stusco on Aug 8, 2021 10:17:55 GMT 1
I read somewhere that damage caused by fuel wont be covered by warranties just like filling a petrol with diesel
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Post by arrow on Aug 8, 2021 10:22:03 GMT 1
I read somewhere that damage caused by fuel wont be covered by warranties just like filling a petrol with diesel I don't see how that's relevant. Surely a vehicle that still has warranty will be compatible due to date of manufacture?
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Post by stusco on Aug 8, 2021 10:24:24 GMT 1
Maybe just scare mongering but it said in the article the it will damage all seals it was an anti e10 article
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Post by arrow on Aug 8, 2021 10:28:45 GMT 1
I'm wondering what is different about the seals in the Brazilian 350R that was mentioned earlier? May be worth checking the part numbers? Would need to find part numbers for the Brazilian market. One thing that makes sense after reading all this is that Super is the way to go, but how long before they make that E10 as well?
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Post by headcoats on Aug 8, 2021 10:37:45 GMT 1
As I premix my fuel would the 2 stroke oil permanently mixed in the tank be of any protection or is it best to use super unleaded only ?
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Post by stusco on Aug 8, 2021 10:42:24 GMT 1
The crankseals on the 350r have the same part numbers
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Post by arrow on Aug 8, 2021 10:43:51 GMT 1
Must have some benefit, but would anyone want to do that for the sake of an extra 14 pence a litre or so?
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Post by arrow on Aug 8, 2021 10:44:53 GMT 1
The crankseals on the 350r have the same part numbers Is that the part numbers for the UK market, or the Brazilian market?
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Post by stusco on Aug 8, 2021 10:59:25 GMT 1
I just looked up the genuine yamaha part numbers for the 350r and a 85 ypvs This is a screen shot of the 350r,i looked up fowlers for the 85ypvs
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Post by arrow on Aug 8, 2021 11:06:32 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure that will be for the UK market.
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Post by geoffb on Aug 8, 2021 11:44:13 GMT 1
So what precautions are we going to have to take to prevent damage to our bikes from e10 fuel or is there somewhere we can buy fuel without ethanol I plan to continue using Super Unleaded E5 for all of my bikes when the E10 change comes in to effect. I also use this in my petrol garden equipment (mowers, Strimmer, Hedge Cutter and Chain Saw) along with an additive that claims to extend the life of the fuel. So far I have used Briggs & Stratton and Screwfix No Nonsense additives in my garden motors that can sit idle for 6+ months.🤞
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Post by 29davyt on Aug 8, 2021 11:51:30 GMT 1
When I’m using the bike it won’t bother me sticking the E10 stuff in, it’s gonna get used up anyway, if planning on not using or over winter I’ll most likely drain the tank and carbs anyway.
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Post by muttsnuts on Aug 8, 2021 13:53:04 GMT 1
when I get 5 mins I am going to do some testing of the fuel on a known bike to see how it affects fuelling (if at all), I have tested fuel in the past and different fuels and additives did make a noticeable difference. If your bike is running close to the edge on the lean side, you might be in for trouble as the ethanol is hydro-scopic (absorbs moisture) so it can lead to a lean mixture as water contains 1 oxygen atom, so while it does affect the octane rating, that's only part of the problem, lower octane rating and more oxygen can lead to detonation and a lean mixture, a really bad combination for a 2 stroke engine
on a stock engine the problems are less likely to have an affect, on tuned engines/those on the finer edge of performance, then its possible issues could arise
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