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Post by veg on Jul 14, 2020 17:44:45 GMT 1
You’re just showing off now 😁 You’d have to be soulless not to enjoy the sound. But it’s a lot of dosh for a sound.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jul 14, 2020 17:48:43 GMT 1
If Rg's were still 10k I'd have one 🙄
Steve
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Post by stusco on Jul 14, 2020 17:49:19 GMT 1
I must agree coasting on half throttle what a crackle just waiting to let rip😁
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Post by muttsnuts on Jul 14, 2020 17:53:41 GMT 1
It might look shite, it might handle shite, it might not go very well, but a 4 cylinder 2 stroke is the most wonderful sound ever. Sometimes I fire mine up just to listen to them :-) oh I don't disagree with the sound track, just wonderful, its like a 2 into 1 exhaust on a 2 stroke (something else I am working on), not necessarily practical, but the sound is something else and on a triple its just ace !
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 15, 2020 1:44:52 GMT 1
If Rg's were still 10k I'd have one 🙄 Steve It's not the purchase price that puts me off, it's the cost of keeping it going for ten years now that spares are scarce and you can't just drop it into the local bike shop to have work done on it, so if you don't have the time to do it yourself then you're knackered. I posted this on another forum, but finding parts for classic bikes can be frustrating, it's like a treasure hunt, you have to have patience, it's taken me 18 months to get the right cylinder head for one of my bikes, most of the rest of the valve gear needs to be made, by me, because no one else wants the job. I had to buy my own lathe and mill so I can do stuff myself otherwise it just wouldn't be practical to own. I mostly enjoy doing it for one bike, but if you have a few that need this sort of commitment then it can become wearing. Maybe once I'm retired it wouldn't be an issue, but if you've got a busy job then you just end up with half finished bikes everywhere. I remember back in the late 80's and early 90's you couldn't get dealers to take 500's in part-exchange because they were so much hassle, my mate had an RD500 that he wanted to part-ex for an FZR600 but no one was interested unless he was almost giving it away.
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Post by JonW on Jul 15, 2020 2:21:05 GMT 1
I remember back in the late 80's and early 90's you couldn't get dealers to take 500's in part-exchange because they were so much hassle, my mate had an RD500 that he wanted to part-ex for an FZR600 but no one was interested unless he was almost giving it away. Even in the mid-late 90s Fowlers in Bristol sales staff actively turned buyers of the few 500s i saw there onto other more modern 4T bikes as much as they could as the sales were easier cos they didnt come back with expensive problems later on under 'warranty'. It was a standing joke at the time that the ropey 500 in the showroom was just art and a gateway to selling a CBR600 after a little bit of chat. I think we all now know that the V4 2T 500s (especially the yamaha) didnt live up to the GP race bike hype, but they are still a cool thing to own. Sure there are faster and more focussed bikes you can buy for a lot less money and you can have an easier time owning a lot of those bikes too, but for many of us having a 500 in the collection is something we just 'have to do'. They can be modded and become (closer to) the bike they were marketed to be, but most of us seem to accept them with their flaws and still manage to enjoy them. One thing that always amuses me is that the RD/RZ/RZV500 still shock me when ever i see one in the metal as they look fat and big in all the pics that i looked at for all those years before getting one so thats what my mind 'sees' before i open my eyes, but IRL they are a 350 F1/2 sized bike. That sounds funny as of course we all know that, but it catches me out still. Amusingly, there was a lot of discussion today about values of a Canadian 500 bike ad on the USA 350 forum, if anyone thinks we are harsh at values here then they might want to avoid reading that thread lol. They also said some very disparaging things about the old RZ5. All grist to the mill I guess
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 6:58:40 GMT 1
It might look shite, it might handle shite, it might not go very well, but a 4 cylinder 2 stroke is the most wonderful sound ever. Sometimes I fire mine up just to listen to them :-) oh I don't disagree with the sound track, just wonderful, its like a 2 into 1 exhaust on a 2 stroke (something else I am working on), not necessarily practical, but the sound is something else and on a triple its just ace ! More noise
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Post by Dave B on Jul 15, 2020 9:51:00 GMT 1
I have this mischievous impulse to call them and ask whether the Norvin has matching numbers!
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Post by icarus001 on Aug 7, 2020 12:19:08 GMT 1
The 500's aren't selling, I notice all are still listed, back in May/June prices seemed to shoot up for all two strokes for a couple of months, but I think that was the dead cat bounce.
I've decided I'm not buying or selling so I've got no agenda other than just curiosity, but with the way things are going I think we'll start to see things going slowly down now. No one is buying RG500's at £17,500 and certainly not for the £20k+ that some are asking, and the project RD500 now has a starting price £5k lower, so it will be interesting to see what happens there.
I think the bubble might have burst sooner than expected, my guess is that people now realise that it's going to be a tough couple of years and it's probably wise to hold onto their cash.
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Post by tacky1 on Aug 7, 2020 15:12:10 GMT 1
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Post by veg on Aug 7, 2020 16:45:22 GMT 1
8000 mile minty mint rd500 for £15k 👍
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Post by JonW on Aug 8, 2020 3:52:36 GMT 1
Yes, I also noticed that the UK bikes are not flying out the door anymore.
Interestingly, so few come up here that its hard to say if they are selling or not as such right now. What i will say is that I dont see any for sale at the moment, so those that were listed have either sold or were removed from the market.
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Post by icarus001 on Aug 8, 2020 4:54:46 GMT 1
8000 mile minty mint rd500 for £15k 👍 Where?
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Post by veg on Aug 8, 2020 7:27:48 GMT 1
Tackys post they were at auction in the states. I said this before look abroad (Europe) there was a Spanish rd recently 10,000 miles for £9k and an rg500 minty mint can’t remember miles but v low for £14k they are out there
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Post by LC_BOTT on Aug 8, 2020 7:58:32 GMT 1
Unit 5 just sold an RD500 for 11K, needed work, as not been used for a few years.
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Post by icarus001 on Aug 8, 2020 9:40:49 GMT 1
Tackys post they were at auction in the states. Oh, I thought you meant in the UK. Maybe I'm just an old moaner, I remember only a few years ago saying that £15k was too much, but now that seems to be where they're at for a nice tidy runner. I can see why people want £20k+, anyone that has restored one must be owed that in parts and restoration costs.
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Post by veg on Aug 8, 2020 9:45:50 GMT 1
As Phil said motors are £4K for a 400 then you need to unleash the beast £4K then pipes£1500 ignition, carbs etc etc etc so it looks like a motor is £10k plus (I will let you know). Paint £1500, they aren’t cheap they aren’t particularly fast but they are the real deal.
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Post by tacky1 on Aug 8, 2020 16:04:04 GMT 1
Tackys post they were at auction in the states. Oh, I thought you meant in the UK. Maybe I'm just an old moaner, I remember only a few years ago saying that £15k was too much, but now that seems to be where they're at for a nice tidy runner. I can see why people want £20k+, anyone that has restored one must be owed that in parts and restoration costs. Thats the killer right there, Parts prices, Ive restore 5 or 6 of them and the cost is nuts, some of the parts are getting so hard to find, Clutch cases, near impossible to find, stators and stator cases. water pumps and the gear that drives it, Cylinders!! Especially top ones, Cranks are 1000/1400 for a set.... list goes on... decent bodywork and tank that doesn't take half your life to fix...
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Post by JonW on Aug 12, 2020 1:19:20 GMT 1
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Post by icarus001 on Aug 25, 2020 10:40:37 GMT 1
Lots of RD500's on ebay at the moment. The RG500 in my first post has dropped by £4k and still sitting there unsold.
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Post by arrdy350 on Aug 25, 2020 13:44:38 GMT 1
Seen project bikes of these models for over 13k and they are also still unsold.
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Post by JonW on Aug 25, 2020 14:13:12 GMT 1
Yep, a lot of stuff not being sold for the inflated prices. I may have mentioned that people were asking too much...
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Post by JonW on Nov 17, 2020 23:03:22 GMT 1
Noticed this sale of a 54k kms bike in Aus. Its defo nice, but it also breaks the 30K barrier for a bike of this mileage. Price is $31k, thats just under £16k. www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/383027752896397/?media_id=0&ref=share_attachmentHe says: Import Fully restored All original parts used 54 000 kms Engine fully rebuilt Immaculate condition Has original fairings and pipes On historic rego Starts fist kick I have a stand and cover Also workshops manual on USB Open to serious offers
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Post by ojfromnz on Nov 18, 2020 3:47:28 GMT 1
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Post by dalmahoy on Nov 18, 2020 7:24:12 GMT 1
Noticed the £40k 'new' RG500 being sold by The Bike Shop is now away.
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Post by earthman on Nov 18, 2020 8:44:26 GMT 1
Oh, I thought you meant in the UK. Maybe I'm just an old moaner, I remember only a few years ago saying that £15k was too much, but now that seems to be where they're at for a nice tidy runner. I can see why people want £20k+, anyone that has restored one must be owed that in parts and restoration costs. Thats the killer right there, Parts prices, Ive restore 5 or 6 of them and the cost is nuts, some of the parts are getting so hard to find, Clutch cases, near impossible to find, stators and stator cases. water pumps and the gear that drives it, Cylinders!! Especially top ones, Cranks are 1000/1400 for a set.... list goes on... decent bodywork and tank that doesn't take half your life to fix... For me the lack of parts is a big issue, you are much better off with a 350LC in that respect. I don't get why some folk keep going through that cycle of restoring machines then selling them on, especially when parts are hard to get hold of in the first place. If the bike were a model that's in my heart, like my 350LC, I'm keeping/riding it! That's the only reason I need spare parts, due to wear & tear.
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Post by stusco on Nov 18, 2020 9:04:24 GMT 1
Some people like building bikes more than riding them(maybe for health reasons) or they like a challenge to build a better bike than the last one , i love building bikes but don’t have the room for more than two i would need to move house as ive only got a small garden,so now i have to sit on my hands watching shite on tv
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Post by earthman on Nov 18, 2020 12:20:23 GMT 1
Some people like building bikes more than riding them(maybe for health reasons) or they like a challenge to build a better bike than the last one , i love building bikes but don’t have the room for more than two i would need to move house as ive only got a small garden,so now i have to sit on my hands watching shite on tv I do get where you are coming from, how do you feel when you sell on one of those bike's that you've put your heart and soul into? I don't think that I could do it,.....unless it were a make/model that I had no interest in from the start. Maybe that's the answer? Only restore ones that you know you don't want to keep,...the cost of parts will still add up though.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Nov 18, 2020 13:23:50 GMT 1
Think you have to have an interest/fondness for the bike you are restoring
The sense of achievement ain't the same when you are doing a model that you will still think is ugly at the end of the build
I've been doing about one a year for 10 years now. Some were either owned by other people or played for by other people but the majority have been bikes that I've either bought to restore or build hybrids out of
I ride very little now for various reasons but get a great joy out of building them.
I've been fine with selling them on (the last one was the most difficult as I really liked it but knew it wouldn't get much use) as I need the space and funds for the next
I really enjoy the technical and problem solving, there's always something ticking away in my head
By the time I get near the end of one build I've already got at least another in my head.
I'll always have my original hybrid so It's not like i still dont have one
Steve
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Post by Gunny on Nov 18, 2020 15:24:36 GMT 1
I'll always have my original hybrid so It's not like i still dont have one Steve Or Covered in cobwebs as its affectionately known
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