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Post by seanclarky on Oct 15, 2019 15:51:31 GMT 1
hi guys
I'm going to look at a RD350/250LC this week. I've asked the seller what the frame number is, he says its 103377. I've said there should be a prefix of 4L1 or 4L0 or some other prefix, but he's said no there isn't. Does that sound right? I thought they all had a prefix. I'm just trying to identify what it is.
cheers
sean
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Post by looey on Oct 15, 2019 16:59:24 GMT 1
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Post by jon on Oct 15, 2019 18:32:22 GMT 1
hi guys I'm going to look at a RD350/250LC this week. I've asked the seller what the frame number is, he says its 103377. I've said there should be a prefix of 4L1 or 4L0 or some other prefix, but he's said no there isn't. Does that sound right? I thought they all had a prefix. I'm just trying to identify what it is. cheers sean Is the frame painted or coated? Maybe only the partial number can be seen. Why don’t you ask them before viewing that you intend to use paint stripper on the frame to get to bare metal. You can see a lot better a dodgy number like that. You can say it’s the last thing you’ll do if your interested and checked it all over. If they refuse I wouldn’t even bother viewing as if this is a deal breaker then they’ve got something to hide. Jon |
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Post by steve h on Oct 15, 2019 18:39:59 GMT 1
The 4L0 should be as visable as the numbers... or as difficult to read...
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Post by jon on Oct 15, 2019 18:48:28 GMT 1
The 4L0 should be as visable as the numbers... or as difficult to read... That’s not always the case. With cables and wiring rubbing away at the headstock over the years certain areas can become worn through and covered easier by paint or powder. Jon |
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Post by steve h on Oct 15, 2019 18:56:20 GMT 1
Must be on well used ones, my rd400 has 30k plus on it, all numbers the same and visible. But, yeah the cables and wires rub there.
I don't like powder, this is one reason.
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Post by roach3 on Oct 15, 2019 19:22:09 GMT 1
Ask for a photo of the headstock
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 15, 2019 19:24:13 GMT 1
Yes it should deffo have a prefix
If not how would you tell the difference between 4l0-103377 and 4l1-103377 as both these bikes will exist
Or any other model of yamaha as they all have the same numbers starting at 000101
Steve
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Oct 15, 2019 19:32:36 GMT 1
A dusting of talc may make the numbers more visible. If not, I would be asking him to sand it back to make visble.
It should have a 4L0 prefix.
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Post by jon on Oct 15, 2019 20:58:34 GMT 1
A dusting of talc may make the numbers more visible. If not, I would be asking him to sand it back to make visble. It should have a 4L0 prefix. Paint stripper is much better at showing it’s genuine. Trust me I’ve said I’d do this and travelled to see a frame from someone on here. Looked half decent until paint striper on it and then night and day. I think he was as surprised as me? Dodged a bullet on that one, and would advise the same. Jon |
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Post by 4l04ever on Oct 15, 2019 21:00:59 GMT 1
Where is the bike based? Perhaps someone on here is local to it and can have a look for or with you.
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Post by seanclarky on Oct 15, 2019 21:28:02 GMT 1
Thanks for the replies chaps. He’s going to send a picture of the headstock tomorrow. If there’s no prefix on do I assume it’s dodgy and walk away? He says the number matches the v5. I don’t know how that could happen unless it’s been restamped maybe?
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Post by reedpete on Oct 15, 2019 22:12:29 GMT 1
Not just the numbers to check, the two asterisk and the dash are as good evidence of tampering if it’s all been ground off.
You might find the frame has been restamped to match a particular log book , but many VINs weren’t recorded in full so quite common to see six digits on a V5.....but obviously all frames should have the nine digits.
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Post by JonW on Oct 15, 2019 22:42:21 GMT 1
Bear in mind not all markets have the asterisks...
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Post by reedpete on Oct 15, 2019 23:28:49 GMT 1
Bear in mind not all markets have the asterisks... I knew that there are two/three styles of engine number for diferent markets , larger font no asterisks etc but didn’t appreciate the headstock stamping was also sometimes different. |
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Post by JonW on Oct 16, 2019 1:18:09 GMT 1
Bear in mind not all markets have the asterisks... I knew that there are two/three styles of engine number for diferent markets , larger font no asterisks etc but didn’t appreciate the headstock stamping was also sometimes different. Yes In Aus we have no asterisks on our stamped frame nos. |
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Oct 16, 2019 5:48:18 GMT 1
Here are some VIN plate examples: www.rd350lc.net/pageVINplate.htmAs said, worldwide all RD/RZ 250/350 had prefix ! only Japan had the opposite: only the prefix but no serial number on engine crankcase Xavier |
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Post by Shytalk on Oct 16, 2019 8:06:27 GMT 1
Thanks for the replies chaps. He’s going to send a picture of the headstock tomorrow. If there’s no prefix on do I assume it’s dodgy and walk away? YES He says the number matches the v5. I don’t know how that could happen unless it’s been restamped maybe? The number matching the V5 doesn’t mean anything really as anyone can change the numbers and re-register the bike omitting the prefix, matching and correct is what you’re looking for. |
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 16, 2019 8:27:18 GMT 1
When I took my white/red hybrid for it's MOT, the tester had trouble reading the frame number due to the powdercoated finish. He said he was within his rights to scrape off the powder to see the numbers for it to be able to pass. You could just make them out though if you shone a torch across them so it wasn't a problem in the end, but any prospective seller should be prepared to make the number clear for you - you will need to for the MOT as well as your safe purchase. I would let him know that you want the number visible prior to turning up, and that gives him the chance to make a neat job of it. It benefits him as much as you  Dusty  |
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Post by headcoats on Oct 16, 2019 9:29:02 GMT 1
All the frames I have had , the numbers were very faint but readable
The one I'm doing now is a German frame with separate Vin plate, I had it powdercoated and they left a masking strip over the numbers but is very faint even in bare metal
I have sprayed over the headstock and it is unreadable but if anyone wishes to see it I can rub it back then blow it over with some more rattle can
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Post by JonW on Oct 16, 2019 12:51:55 GMT 1
Here are some VIN plate examples: www.rd350lc.net/pageVINplate.htmAs said, worldwide all RD/RZ 250/350 had prefix ! only Japan had the opposite: only the prefix but no serial number on engine crankcase Xavier Hmm, I wish I knew where those Aussie frame numbers came from... and I do know a lot of them came from me lol. I say that as I'm actually building up an engine for my 251LC that matches one of them... and I dont own it lol. |
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Oct 16, 2019 19:27:08 GMT 1
Here are some VIN plate examples: www.rd350lc.net/pageVINplate.htmAs said, worldwide all RD/RZ 250/350 had prefix ! only Japan had the opposite: only the prefix but no serial number on engine crankcase Xavier Hmm, I wish I knew where those Aussie frame numbers came from... and I do know a lot of them came from me lol. I say that as I'm actually building up an engine for my 251LC that matches one of them... and I dont own it lol. You are right Jon, most of Aus plates comes from you and I have found few on gumtree I will add engine marking from different countries to show how they should looks like. Xavier |
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 16, 2019 20:35:23 GMT 1
With the Café racer build, I wanted to make the frame number easily readable to save any issues later on. My powdercoating guy blasted the frame and then clearcoated the headstock then baked it, before applying the black powder and baking again. This is how I intend to do all mine from now on;  20191016_100545 by dusty miller, on Flickr If you already have a coated frame, carefully mask off around the frame number then apply paint stripper or gently sand away the paint/coating until the numbers are visible. Dusty |
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Post by steve h on Oct 16, 2019 20:43:22 GMT 1
I like that, great idea!
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