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Post by pdxjim on Sept 19, 2019 1:58:05 GMT 1
Received an email from my tuner yesterday: Jim, Top end is due for delivery today or tomorrow. I did have the cylinder get some slight damage with cracking a small piece off the sleeve skirt off while packing over the weekend. The damage is minimal, but is there. It will have no effect of running or piston skirt issues. Due to the damage and late finishing up job, your paid up. Make sure the cylinders are properly finish honed to size for your pistons. A pair of head o-rings are included. C**** Here's what turned up on the front porch today:    Looks like he dropped it, and looks more than a "small piece" cracked off, and certainly more significant than "minimal". Invoice was for around $700 for porting, opening up the intakes for Vforce reeds and milling the head and cyls for orings and reshaping the domes. I ended up paying him $500 prior to the damage, and he neglected to mod the intakes for the reeds as we had discussed. I should mention, I was quoted a "three week turnaround" and he had my parts for three months. f**king livid over here. |
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Post by pdxjim on Sept 19, 2019 2:13:16 GMT 1
Whoah, just noticed the different exhaust gasket areas.
What's up with that?
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Post by JonW on Sept 19, 2019 4:25:44 GMT 1
wow... what a mess  Hes managed to drop the cutter on the base gasket land as well. I think those might be mix of the early and late cyls? Or maybe someone opened that gasket area up, but why would they do that? Oh and would i run it, nope. It was there for a reason I reckon. He owes you a new cylinder imho. |
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Post by tacky1 on Sept 19, 2019 4:55:11 GMT 1
Bit of a mess Jim. Who did you send the top end out to.
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Post by pdxjim on Sept 19, 2019 5:06:24 GMT 1
Bit of a mess Jim. Who did you send the top end out to. Gonna give him a chance to make it right before I name and shame. Wishing I sent it to San Diego instead. These cyls were on original bore when I got the bike. Finding a first oversize right side LC cylinder ain't gonna be cheap or easy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 5:09:09 GMT 1
I wonder if it was dropped and got bent and he tried to straighten it?
I dropped one once and got told it would snap if I tried to straighten it.
I'd be pretty cranky myself.
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Post by veg on Sept 19, 2019 6:56:48 GMT 1
If a so called professional was happy to send that out and attempted to minimise it to me I would be going up the wall. He either thinks it is minimal damage in which case I would be questioning his ability or he is attempting to blag you in which case I would be questioning his integrity. Either way it is piss poor, a proper specialist would have contacted you apologised shown the damage replaced it without the blag.
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 19, 2019 7:19:45 GMT 1
Yea, that is taking the p#ss🤬
"Slight damage" !! And forgetting to mod your intakes ??. Quite a big part of your engine tune, and he forgot ??
He is mugging you off, and I would be straight onto him for a new barrel or my money back- all of it, coz as you say, finding a decent replacement is going to be costly☹
Dusty
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Post by 2banger on Sept 19, 2019 7:55:48 GMT 1
Your tuner knowingly repackaged damaged cylinders for return .
Think I would try another company to fit ported new cylinder liner
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Post by steven on Sept 19, 2019 8:16:04 GMT 1
Hi PDXJIM,
Thats not very good at all.
In answer to your question, "Would you run it?" ......... No, I wouldn't.
Steven.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Sept 19, 2019 8:20:32 GMT 1
That's shocking
He should have man'd up and admitted his f*ck up
He should be refunding you everything you paid
I would have said he should do the replacement barrel free of charge but looking at his work ethic I'd cut your losses and stay clear
Oh and early/late barrel mis match
Steve
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Post by mattybeckett on Sept 19, 2019 11:49:51 GMT 1
O.M.G that's terrible, I hope you get it sorted.
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Post by reggieperrin on Sept 19, 2019 15:53:24 GMT 1
Nope..
Bin for that..
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Post by muttsnuts on Sept 19, 2019 16:21:15 GMT 1
fooked, reline I am afraid, you try and run that and you'll get piston skirt failure/cracking, which will then fall into your crank and shag that as well.........
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Post by pdxjim on Sept 19, 2019 16:54:05 GMT 1
fooked, reline I am afraid, you try and run that and you'll get piston skirt failure/cracking, which will then fall into your crank and shag that as well......... Just the man i was hoping to hear from. ✊️ |
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Post by hoist1 on Sept 19, 2019 17:01:52 GMT 1
Looks bad even for a first timer with no idea. The only time I had a rebore done the supposed expert engineering company damaged a piston skirt. Should have been suspicious that the box was heavily taped up, they did pay for a replacement after some encouragement though.
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Post by arrow on Sept 19, 2019 17:40:23 GMT 1
Wow, that's rough!
What amazes me is that reputation means everything these days, and some people risk that, to what end?? You can do 1000 jobs and get a great rep, but do one or two jobs like that and you're destroyed. Mistakes happen and we have all made them. I'd have done whatever was needed to be done to put that right before I sent it back.
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Post by jon on Sept 19, 2019 18:26:30 GMT 1
Cup half full, or half empty?
There is only bright side to this.
You can lookout for an early right hand barrel to match as a pair.
Personally I’d consider what to do once you’ve sourced one.
I think I’d be tempted to send the new and the good barrel back to be tuned, AND have the inlets done.
I’d want to be paying nothing for the tuning of the new barrel and be reimbursed anything if the new barrel was more than the discount. I’d also make it clear how much a core barrel is worth in case they mess up either one again!
Of course if you’ve lost confidence then go a different route. He may well have steered away from fitting banshee reeds as unless done carefully can break through the side of the barrel.
What’s he on about honing? Are they recently rebored? If so by who?
Jon
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Post by doohanno1 on Sept 19, 2019 21:26:18 GMT 1
Another fine example of work from " chip off the old block" tuning..
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Post by 4l04ever on Sept 19, 2019 22:02:18 GMT 1
He needs to repair or replace at his cost...
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Post by tacky1 on Sept 19, 2019 23:13:52 GMT 1
Bit of a mess Jim. Who did you send the top end out to. Gonna give him a chance to make it right before I name and shame. Wishing I sent it to San Diego instead. These cyls were on original bore when I got the bike. Finding a first oversize right side LC cylinder ain't gonna be cheap or easy. Thata a shame, Frickin eejit, he wrecked them, I wouldn't chance them to be honest, Id be afraid the piston skirt would let go.
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Post by saigonmark on Sept 19, 2019 23:50:18 GMT 1
Are those cylinders the same spec? The exhaust port size and flange look different. |
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Post by pdxjim on Sept 19, 2019 23:54:41 GMT 1
Cup half full, or half empty? There is only bright side to this. You can lookout for an early right hand barrel to match as a pair. Personally I’d consider what to do once you’ve sourced one. I think I’d be tempted to send the new and the good barrel back to be tuned, AND have the inlets done. I’d want to be paying nothing for the tuning of the new barrel and be reimbursed anything if the new barrel was more than the discount. I’d also make it clear how much a core barrel is worth in case they mess up either one again! Of course if you’ve lost confidence then go a different route. He may well have steered away from fitting banshee reeds as unless done carefully can break through the side of the barrel. What’s he on about honing? Are they recently rebored? If so by who? Jon This is the direction I hope to go. Source a new barrel, and send it and the good one back to Florida to be matched (as the porting looks quite good). If the barrel + shipping is more than the credit ($200ish) then get a refund or credit towards further work. Inlet mods are to fit Vforce3 yz85 reeds which are a bit smaller than RZ/Banshee reeds. I had the bores done locally prior to sending off to him, then will have the final hone done to fit the +.5 ProX pistons I have here. This guy is no beginner, he's well known in the States, and has been tuning Daytona winning F500 RD400's for decades. He also worked alongside Harry "ProPorting" Barlow during his time here in the States. Customer service and problem solving are evidently not his strong suits tho. |
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Post by galant2nz on Sept 20, 2019 1:21:19 GMT 1
Had a similar issues once where the boreing guy over bored a barrel he admitted he stuffed up and I was not a happy camper but after some searching found another barrel which he paid for and rebored it free of charge so ended up I only paid the original boring costs and he wore the replacement costs. I’m guessing he lost out on the deal but he came to the party and because of that have used him again and also recommended him to others.
Having a good rep is something money can’t buy so if he wants to keep his rep in tacked he should come to the party with a deal that suits you both.
Maybe best not to go off at him just make it clear you aren’t happy and would like to work with him to sort it.
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Post by ypvsnutter on Sept 30, 2019 21:06:06 GMT 1
Not a chance would i use that
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Post by chrisg on Oct 13, 2019 20:05:28 GMT 1
Ask him to re sleeve it. Or get a price from Rob Pemberton (PJME) and ask him to pay. Probably asking for uneven wear and trouble if you run it.
The RH exhaust appears to have been welded at the stud and then machined at some point in its life.
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Post by pdxjim on Oct 13, 2019 22:13:54 GMT 1
I am done dealing with that clown. Seriously the most un-professional experience I’ve ever had in the motorcycle world.
His tuning work is well respected in the vintage roadrace world here in the States, but his business acumen fcuking sucks.
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Post by roach3 on Oct 13, 2019 23:56:40 GMT 1
sounds like you gave him a chance to put things right and he declined your generous offer?
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Post by rigga on Oct 14, 2019 7:51:42 GMT 1
Great tuner, horrible businessman Looking at those pictures, I seriously doubt the former, and if he won't sort it, he's confirmed the latter part of that statement. |
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Post by chrisg on Oct 14, 2019 21:44:09 GMT 1
If you paid by credit card you can get them involved. It maybe your insured or they can take legal action.
Good luck.
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