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Post by 0h5h1t on Apr 11, 2019 12:25:29 GMT 1
just got some Titanium bolts from MadBiker Designs.
they are incredibly light so a fair weight saving for the racer boys but I just think they look good. Quality is superb as you'd expect.
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Post by Yogi on Apr 11, 2019 18:20:23 GMT 1
You’ve got money to burn Karly boy They do look nice though
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Post by 0h5h1t on Apr 11, 2019 18:28:56 GMT 1
just dont tell the missus Matt mate
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Post by veg on Apr 11, 2019 18:37:46 GMT 1
Used loads of titanium on my build not for weight saving as I’m a fat ginger t**t but they look so good. 👍
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Post by Yogi on Apr 11, 2019 18:45:50 GMT 1
just dont tell the missus Matt mate Can I tell Zeeba then
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Post by 0h5h1t on Apr 11, 2019 19:00:19 GMT 1
just dont tell the missus Matt mate Can I tell Zeeba then yes mate.. she's a daddies girl and wont say a word... lol
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Post by Mr Kipling on Apr 11, 2019 19:57:04 GMT 1
the upper engine case bolts are superb as well....
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Post by 0h5h1t on Apr 11, 2019 20:05:37 GMT 1
the upper engine case bolts are superb as well.... agreed, these are next. I'm going to ask Martin if he can get the short engine mount plate bolts in Titanium as well to match the engine bolts I already have.
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Post by 0h5h1t on Apr 11, 2019 20:09:08 GMT 1
Used loads of titanium on my build not for weight saving as I’m a fat ginger t**t but they look so good. 👍 they certainly do mate. well worth the extra over the heavy and frankly boring Stainless fixings I'm replacing.
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Post by reggieperrin on Apr 13, 2019 9:55:58 GMT 1
I spent a long time working on weight saving when I was racing in a 'control' class. Managed to be sponsored by ProBolt. Used Ti on everything except axles..
Please, be careful with titanium into aluminium, use the right lubrication compounds. One wrong turn and it'll squeak and weld itself together...
It's lovely stuff though and I still have boxes of it..
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Post by Norbo on Apr 13, 2019 11:41:30 GMT 1
They do look nice but on a fat arse like me its just for looks im afraid, the difference in weight on them engine bolts is about the sames as having a pint of juce and a butty befor gowing out for a ride so lost on me.
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Post by reggieperrin on Apr 13, 2019 13:17:23 GMT 1
It's not just weight saving though Norbo. You're reducing unsprung mass and giving suspension an easier time. You're removing reciprocating mass, anything that has to be accelerated or braked. it affects the whole bike.
I even went as far as setting up a company making aluminium clutch plates as the weight and performance saving was huge.
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Post by icarus001 on Apr 13, 2019 13:37:16 GMT 1
It's not just weight saving though Norbo. You're reducing unsprung mass and giving suspension an easier time. You're removing reciprocating mass, anything that has to be accelerated or braked. it affects the whole bike. I even went as far as setting up a company making aluminium clutch plates as the weight and performance saving was huge. I understand unsprung mass and I understand angular momentum, rotational forces, etc, on parts spinning quickly, but if a 16st bloke gets on the bike it's going take a lot more stopping than a 12st rider, even if the 16st bloke saves 1kg on titanium bolts. Same argument for suspension - although suspension can be set for various weights and then everything is relative.
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Post by Mad Biker on Apr 13, 2019 13:46:54 GMT 1
We could apply the same logic to the RD Carbon body panels.....just don't have a pint of juice or a butty before going out and save yourself some money. Fortunately these exotic material are available for our bikes nowdays. Some people like the Gucci look and others are happy with Primark.
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Post by 0h5h1t on Apr 13, 2019 14:08:05 GMT 1
We could apply the same logic to the RD Carbon body panels.....just don't have a pint of juice or a butty before going out and save yourself some money. Fortunately these exotic material are available for our bikes nowdays. Some people like the Gucci look and others are happy with Primark. Absolutely agree with you Martin. My bike was built with one goal. A modern looking cafe racer that had performance to back up its looks. That means weight saving and detail is part of the package. And doing half a job with fixings that are heavy, frankly boring and don't look as good when these bolts are available wouldn't make any sense to me. I understand they are not to everyones taste but I love em.
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Post by veg on Apr 14, 2019 7:32:28 GMT 1
I used them purely for the looks I love the counter sunk look and the fact I have been able to lock wire most of them, did it need them nope do I love the look yes, likewise I have carbon panels as it suits the look and the paint job, besides which I have fitted wheels that are a fraction of the weight of standard I have lost over 30kg in comparison to a std lc, and I’m a svelte 13.5 stone 😁
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Post by icarus001 on Apr 14, 2019 14:23:25 GMT 1
We could apply the same logic to the RD Carbon body panels.....just don't have a pint of juice or a butty before going out and save yourself some money. Fortunately these exotic material are available for our bikes nowdays. Some people like the Gucci look and others are happy with Primark. Don't get me wrong, I love a bit of tasteful bling, and if you like it then fill yer boots, I'm sitting here in a five grand Omega watch, and I have an RD500 kickstart on my LC I was just saying that from a technical point of view a titanium bolt makes about as much point as my watch, it's all about the look and buying it because you can, not because it really makes much difference to the end result.
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Post by Mad Biker on Apr 14, 2019 19:03:01 GMT 1
There's a very good chance your watch contains our products as my titanium business supplies many watch companies with parts. And from a technical point of view there is not one race team out there that uses titanium because it makes no difference. Ask the reigning British Moto 3 and GP2 teams who won both their respective titles using my fasteners.
We supply many industries with Ti. The RD market is not the primary target, but all the products have come from customer demands. Many people just want it to make there bike a bit special (and save some weight).
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Post by icarus001 on Apr 15, 2019 4:06:42 GMT 1
Many people just want it to make there bike a bit special... That's all I was saying really, I'm not being a killjoy, I might actually buy some myself now because they do look lovely.
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Post by jon on Apr 19, 2019 9:26:53 GMT 1
I spent a long time working on weight saving when I was racing in a 'control' class. Managed to be sponsored by ProBolt. Used Ti on everything except axles.. Please, be careful with titanium into aluminium, use the right lubrication compounds. One wrong turn and it'll squeak and weld itself together... It's lovely stuff though and I still have boxes of it.. Hi Alan, I’ve heard people use copper-slip on Ti bolts. Not sure whether to use them on my calliper halves. I don’t fancy using copper-slip on those. Jon
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Post by stusco on Apr 19, 2019 9:31:46 GMT 1
I just googled it they say use locktite or the usual grease you would use
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Post by Norbo on Apr 19, 2019 12:53:42 GMT 1
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Post by bernardo on Apr 19, 2019 13:35:25 GMT 1
Only thing that bothers me about ti is doesn't it screw up the torque settings. What with it having a different modulus of elasticity to steel
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Post by jon on Apr 19, 2019 13:45:20 GMT 1
Only thing that bothers me about ti is doesn't it screw up the torque settings. What with it having a different modulus of elasticity to steel ... doesn’t it SCREW up the torque wrench settings... sic That concerned me too. If you have to put lubrication on them as well then the toque settings should be fractionally lower also maybe? Jon
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Post by Mad Biker on Apr 19, 2019 14:48:33 GMT 1
It's the material it's made of that makes it special. Just like carbon fibre it's not only reserved for race bikes.
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Post by 0h5h1t on Apr 19, 2019 22:09:12 GMT 1
Stainless Steel or titanium Norbo?
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Post by Norbo on Apr 19, 2019 23:13:03 GMT 1
Both depending on what people want and what they want to pay. most go st/st but i have done a few ti sets but as they look the same and only save a few grams and are a good bit more money you get the same looks and a lot cheaper . as i said a cup of tea is adding more then the difference in weight unless its a race bike its a wast of money. Now if you swap every bolt and nut on the bike Every one that would make a difference worth talking about but the cost would out weigh the gains. In fact if it was a weight thing then you'd fit alloy bolts any way in things like casings and so on like on my race bike every bolt is alloy foot hangers yolks the lot head bolts . the only steel ones are the calipers disk dolts and spindles, but thats a race bike were every gram counts. and unlike engine bolts that are static weight reduction unstrung weight is a big value to a race bike so anything on wheels and any other moving part really does make a difference when a few seconds a lap can win you a race. Best thing you can do on an lc race bike alloy sprocket 520 chain thats un spung and equate's to a big gain as they spin kilo's even thou of couse the actual weight is not that they gain weight as they spin thats un sprung thats were the big savings are . But like i say thats on a race bike were it counts. My drag bike is all so all alloy bolts and ti nuts every G is shaved off.
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Post by Mad Biker on Apr 20, 2019 18:39:14 GMT 1
Thanks to this thread ive had a great week selling Ti RD bolt kits, long may this thread continue! They have all gone to riders using their bikes on the road. Supporting the fact people want something special on the bike, and exactly why the original poster bought them. The reason race teams don't use alloy is they wear very quickly with the amount of times they are tightened / untightened. They are also weak and can shear easily, which is precisely why you wouldn't want to use them in footrest hangers and yokes on anybike, unless you have a death wish!!!
Ps. Has anybody just seen the BSB Supersport race on Eurosport. Our supported GP2 teams have just finished 1st and 3rd in the class, using the same bolts you can have on your road bike.
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Post by 0h5h1t on Apr 21, 2019 15:00:22 GMT 1
Missed BSB this weekend Martin but congrats to the riders and teams.
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Post by abar121 on Apr 21, 2019 15:42:44 GMT 1
Don't snap a Ti disk bolt off below the surface. What a nightmare to remove, surrounded by soft alloy.
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