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Post by patrick on Jan 31, 2019 22:39:43 GMT 1
Hey all,
At some point in my bikes life, somebody has tried to blow dents out the tank with compressed air and has expanded it slightly so the fit is not great.
Does anybody have experience with the Indian pattern / reproduction fuel tanks? Are they any good and are there any specific ones to avoid?
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Post by donkeychomp on Jan 31, 2019 22:43:21 GMT 1
I've said it once and I'll say it again. Avoid Indian tanks like the plague. Norbo sells very good replicas. I've seen them.
Alex
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 31, 2019 22:45:48 GMT 1
Avoid the Indian ones like the plague
The don't fit, total waste of money
There was a quality batch made in Taiwan
Either norbo or muttsnuts on here may have some so worth a pm
Hi level stocked them too
A few other UK sellers had them too but never buy from abroad
Steve
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Post by Yogi on Jan 31, 2019 22:47:16 GMT 1
Not for ypvs he doesn’t ,,
As said though,don’t touch Indian tanks
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 31, 2019 22:56:47 GMT 1
Not for ypvs he doesn’t ,, As said though,don’t touch Indian tanks Ahh! Never checked his avatar pic No decent ypvs tanks available Steve
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Post by patrick on Jan 31, 2019 23:01:28 GMT 1
Thanks all - guess I will keep trawling the used sites
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Post by dusty350 on Jan 31, 2019 23:02:30 GMT 1
We need repro Pv tanks of the standard the Lc tanks are. But unlikely to happen I think Dusty
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Post by JonW on Jan 31, 2019 23:15:43 GMT 1
...but never buy from abroad Steve I agreed with everything else, but this is not true. Webike sell the same tank. I have their JDM painted and decaled LC tank and its spot on and the same tank as the one I got from the UK.
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Post by JonW on Jan 31, 2019 23:18:30 GMT 1
We really do need a sticky post about tanks, we get this question every few weeks now...
- YPVS tanks:: From what's been said its too expensive to make them considering how many need to be ordered. sales would be slow, price would be high etc.
- LC tanks: The Taiwanese re-made ones are great. buy them ASAP, when they are gone they probably wont get reordered as the market was satisfied by the ones just made.
- NEVER BUY AN INDIAN TANK, THEY ARE MADE FROM PHOTOS!
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 31, 2019 23:36:07 GMT 1
...but never buy from abroad Steve I agreed with everything else, but this is not true. Webike sell the same tank. I have their JDM painted and decaled LC tank and its spot on and the same tank as the one I got from the UK. Webike are a different kettle of fish A trusted quality company Steve
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Post by 4l04ever on Jan 31, 2019 23:47:19 GMT 1
If you tank has spread, it may be possible to get it pulled back into shape. When LC ones were too wide I heard they could be pulled back in...
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Post by abar121 on Feb 1, 2019 16:54:24 GMT 1
Wemoto also have the LC tanks.
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Post by patrick on Feb 1, 2019 20:26:07 GMT 1
If you tank has spread, it may be possible to get it pulled back into shape. When LC ones were too wide I heard they could be pulled back in... Problem is the rads between surfaces have swelled - would take an inordinate amount of beating , reshaping and skill to get it back to stock :-(
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Post by motorman1963 on Feb 2, 2019 0:19:52 GMT 1
which tank do you need?
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Post by JonW on Feb 2, 2019 2:03:30 GMT 1
Wemoto also have the LC tanks. Hmm, Wemoto says "Non Stock Item Ordered On Request Only' and I dunno where they will be getting them from. :/ Looks like Yambits has sold out now when i checked just now as as we know Hi Level sold all their stock off... so, it's only those who have stock still who have any left and that is a finite amount of tanks. I'll wager there will be no more when these are gone, but I know little about anything much so feel free not to listen to me. For those who are still reading (and prepared to listen lol) I seriously advise anyone who needs one (or thinks they will) to get onto you fave seller, hopefully thats Norbo if you post on here... and get buying before they are gone... Of course the upside of that happening is that our old battered and rusty ones needing repair will be worth money again lol! This wont worry the UK folk, but for those who live outside the EU/UK the fact yambits dont have any is a bummer as they were great value as they were vat free and they did reasonable Fed Ex shipping. My advice would now be to look at webbike perhaps? Their post is usually good value as Japan post office is good value to places like Aus/USA/SA etc compared to many others and their base prices for export are keen.
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Post by patrick on Feb 2, 2019 19:21:53 GMT 1
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Post by sp885 on Feb 2, 2019 21:25:52 GMT 1
Wemoto also have the LC tanks. Hmm, Wemoto says "Non Stock Item Ordered On Request Only' and I dunno where they will be getting them from. :/ Looks like Yambits has sold out now when i checked just now as as we know Hi Level sold all their stock off... so, it's only those who have stock still who have any left and that is a finite amount of tanks. I'll wager there will be no more when these are gone, but I know little about anything much so feel free not to listen to me. For those who are still reading (and prepared to listen lol) I seriously advise anyone who needs one (or thinks they will) to get onto you fave seller, hopefully thats Norbo if you post on here... and get buying before they are gone... Of course the upside of that happening is that our old battered and rusty ones needing repair will be worth money again lol! This wont worry the UK folk, but for those who live outside the EU/UK the fact yambits dont have any is a bummer as they were great value as they were vat free and they did reasonable Fed Ex shipping. My advice would now be to look at webbike perhaps? Their post is usually good value as Japan post office is good value to places like Aus/USA/SA etc compared to many others and their base prices for export are keen. Cheers for the info Jon, I missed out on a Yambits tank last year by a day or two they were all gone even though they were still on their website at the time and they didn't know if they would be getting anymore, like you said it was good value for us here in Oz not paying the VAT which more or less paid for the postage, my original tanks still very good but I wouldn't mind a new for a rainy day as they say Steve
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Post by JonW on Feb 2, 2019 23:13:48 GMT 1
Hmm, Wemoto says "Non Stock Item Ordered On Request Only' and I dunno where they will be getting them from. :/ Looks like Yambits has sold out now when i checked just now as as we know Hi Level sold all their stock off... so, it's only those who have stock still who have any left and that is a finite amount of tanks. I'll wager there will be no more when these are gone, but I know little about anything much so feel free not to listen to me. For those who are still reading (and prepared to listen lol) I seriously advise anyone who needs one (or thinks they will) to get onto you fave seller, hopefully thats Norbo if you post on here... and get buying before they are gone... Of course the upside of that happening is that our old battered and rusty ones needing repair will be worth money again lol! This wont worry the UK folk, but for those who live outside the EU/UK the fact yambits dont have any is a bummer as they were great value as they were vat free and they did reasonable Fed Ex shipping. My advice would now be to look at webbike perhaps? Their post is usually good value as Japan post office is good value to places like Aus/USA/SA etc compared to many others and their base prices for export are keen. Cheers for the info Jon, I missed out on a Yambits tank last year by a day or two they were all gone even though they were still on their website at the time and they didn't know if they would be getting anymore, like you said it was good value for us here in Oz not paying the VAT which more or less paid for the postage, my original tanks still very good but I wouldn't mind a new for a rainy day as they say Steve Steve for us downunder I think that webbike is teh way to go, search on rz250 tank, they have 2 options listed now as the more expensive version is now sold out.
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Post by smokin074 on Feb 3, 2019 7:31:32 GMT 1
Just want to say again and confirm also Indian YPVS RZ tanks are under sized , not made to a jig or pattern & not sized fitted to a RZ bike , they are also hard to deal with by email. Remember ebay terms you have to return the tank before refund & the paypal postage policy will only refund postage to $45 US , Just dont do it , I agree this topic needs to be posted at the top. AVOID YPVS INDIAN TANKS. You can repair rusty tanks , just cost's & take time to do it right.
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Post by twostroker on Feb 3, 2019 20:26:12 GMT 1
Tank care products/ Hartlepool radiators can repair rotten tanks
A hole is cut in the under side , media blasted, welded up and a liner fitted.
Obviously the outside can be blasted / filled / pained after if you wish.
Gets expensive and could be a case of spending good money after bad if the tank fails in a few years.
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Post by 3tj6 on Feb 3, 2019 20:49:42 GMT 1
Just buy a replica tank for the lc model, if it lasts another 30yrs , most of us won’t be here by then anyway 😂
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Feb 3, 2019 22:27:12 GMT 1
If you are trying to build an original looking bike (4L0 or 4L1) then then I think the only way forward is to invest time and money with the refurb of an original tank. This takes a lot of effort, I know because I have done a few now. In my opinion the curves and angles of even the better quality 4L0/4L1 repros are still not quite right although the fit and quality is very good. I've not seen any YPVS repros so can't comment on those. If its a hybrid you are building this isn't so important so then a repro tank is the way forward.
In all cases, i'm sure someone would have said, avoid the Indian copies.
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Post by dusty350 on Feb 3, 2019 22:49:19 GMT 1
I agree Shaun, the lines on the repro Lc tanks are a little "sharper" than original, but I didn't really notice by how much until I put an original against a repro. Still more than happy with the 2 repros I've bought though. I've often wondered if the Pv tanks can be made in ally ? There are a couple of British firms that make ally tanks - the firm in Wales often display at the Stafford show. Again, probably not ideal for rivet counters, but maybe better than trying to salvage a rotten tank ?? Dusty
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Post by doohanno1 on Feb 3, 2019 23:07:24 GMT 1
I agree Shaun, the lines on the repro Lc tanks are a little "sharper" than original, but I didn't really notice by how much until I put an original against a repro. Still more than happy with the 2 repros I've bought though. I've often wondered if the Pv tanks can be made in ally ? There are a couple of British firms that make ally tanks - the firm in Wales often display at the Stafford show. Again, probably not ideal for rivet counters, but maybe better than trying to salvage a rotten tank ?? Dusty I e-mailed a crowd in the UK a couple of years ago who make alloy tanks for the Nortons and the like..Got no reply so gave up on that..
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Post by JonW on Feb 3, 2019 23:09:49 GMT 1
I agree the lines are a little sharper, but most original LC tanks have been reshaped by crashes and filler so a new one probably would be sharper anyway lol
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Post by doohanno1 on Feb 3, 2019 23:12:54 GMT 1
Aren't Yamaha a right shower of cu#ts all the same tbat they never retooled for any of the parts required , but well able to up the price on remaining oem parts..
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Post by JonW on Feb 4, 2019 0:45:58 GMT 1
The problem as always is the MOQ for any part. For bearings, seals, buts, bolts etc they often fit plenty of other bikes so Yam still carries them, but for the stuff that was 'this bike only' like bodywork its always going to long gone unless they take an active interest in reproducing stuff. The likes of BMH and BMW and Merc do that, for them heritage is important. It has t be for Yam too, but it doesnt sell new bikes. These days its less about parts supply than new it seems for them.
However, Yam apparently did do that with LC tanks. It was a bit confusing as it was in Japanese and no one was 100% sure if it was a Yamaha thing or they just got on the bandwagon with the press release, but before the Taiwanese tanks came out Yam apparently would sell a Jap spec white painted tank, it was something like $1800! While I never saw one, and I never heard/read about anyone buying one from Yam they were listed on webbike. The weird thing was that after the repro tanks came out webbike then started to sell an unpainted and a painted (black or white) version alongside the expensive version. How different could those two white tanks have actually been I wonder, other than $1000+...
What defies logic is that two suppliers both took the plunge to make tanks independently around the same time. This says to me that the tanks were either from the same source or that Yam did find the old dies (not at their own place, they would have outsourced the manufacture surely). I think it wasnt the latter, I suspect the company with the dies just started to make and sell their own tanks after, that happens quite a bit in Asia. If anyone knows different then do tell.
Anyway, the $1800 tanks are now sold out. So Yam provenance of not, its all moot...
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Post by JonW on Feb 4, 2019 0:54:53 GMT 1
This is the listing for the Yam tank Im talking about japan.webike.net/products/23237617.htmlthe Webbike Press release claims its OEM japan.webike.net/moto_news/new-product-limited-reproduction-of-yamaha-rz-250-tank-original-key-chain-is-also-included/While on the listing It says you can order, the main page says 'discontinued; its also not $1800 its $13xx now. That may have been USD/AUD conversion or my memory going, I'll leave that for you to decide lol. The listing does say this: "It produces 1980 type RZ250 (4L3) fuel tank new pearl white reprinted production in YAMAHA Motor Co., tank/Exterior Manufacturing Department" The other (Taiwanese) tank says its a MIZUNO on the main page, then it claims its a Zess unit in the listing. Perhaps Zess painted the Mizuno tank? See what i mean about confusion!
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Post by JonW on Feb 4, 2019 1:09:23 GMT 1
So with the dwindling supply of the LC repro tanks, who still supplies these?
- Norbo - Muttsnuts - webbike and - Wemoto (maybe) - yambits (now sold out)
Is that the full list?
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Post by JonW on Feb 4, 2019 1:11:41 GMT 1
I wish someone would sticky this post, I dont think any other thread has so much tank info in it for the LC (and where we currently are for the ypvs)
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