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Post by billybalthorpe on Jan 20, 2018 20:33:45 GMT 1
I had my last YPVS N1 in 1990, so I don't really know a lot about the bikes after the '88 models. But I have heard that at some point they stopped making then in Japan and moved production to Brazil(?). I have also heard that these Brazillian models are worth considerably less than the Japanese equivalents. My question is (apart from it not being built in Japan), what specifically wrong with these Brazillian models? Are they slower than the Japanese ones? Lower build quality? Specific and unique CDIs or restrictions?
Sorry if the question sounds a bit dumb, but like I said, I missed out on all the changes of opinion and models after the N1.
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Post by donkeychomp on Jan 20, 2018 22:05:11 GMT 1
Yes they ended up being made in Brazil, slightly poorer quality and detuned so they'd run on whatever petrol they have over there (ie low octane). But it's still a PV and I wouldn't say no to one!
Alex
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 20, 2018 22:11:21 GMT 1
Easily and most likely all uk bikes de restricted now
Steve
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Post by Mr Kipling on Jan 20, 2018 22:15:28 GMT 1
Steering stem is longer by 5mm an larger taper bearing , correct p/jets used to be available for the carbs.. Cdi runs an extra wire.. compared to F2 no big difference in build quality imo , once de restricted just as fast as an f2.. Oh n run a different fuel tap...
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Post by earthman on Jan 20, 2018 22:18:37 GMT 1
I did view a couple of the later full fairing Brazilian models myself,...maybe they are of a SLIGHTLY poorer quality but I really wouldn't say that there is much in it to be honest. I was tempted to buy the last one, a twin headlight model but my heart were on an LC from the start, that's the model I owned in my youth.
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Post by doohanno1 on Jan 20, 2018 22:26:05 GMT 1
I wouldn"t mind a Brazilian model.( sorry wrong forum)
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Post by earthman on Jan 20, 2018 22:33:10 GMT 1
I wouldn"t mind a Brazilian model.( sorry wrong forum)
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 20, 2018 22:53:40 GMT 1
I wouldn"t mind a Brazilian model.( sorry wrong forum) Yes the guys can be quite handsome 😘 Steve
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Post by Tobyjugs on Jan 21, 2018 0:09:57 GMT 1
So i take i there is not much difference, both are high maintenance, need lots of attention, but when you are riding them it's all forgotten
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Post by wonkywheel on Jan 21, 2018 1:21:02 GMT 1
So i take i there is not much difference, both are high maintenance, need lots of attention, but when you are riding them it's all forgotten Correct- very little difference when you ride these babes. Both will give you a good time- the Brazilian delivery is just a tad bit smoother
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Post by billybalthorpe on Jan 21, 2018 1:37:05 GMT 1
Thanks for the advice guys. The thing is i'm not looking for a perfect, original, matching numbers Valve. Ive got a Victory 8 Ball at the moment that I daren't ride in case it gets wet or dirty so i'm not going down that route again. I want a Valve that i'm not bothered if it rains while I'm out, or going out, I live in Stoke you see and it seems to rain here an awful lot. The Brazilian Valves seem to be quite a bit cheaper than the UK ones and that will do me. I suppose people on here know how to de restrict a Brazilian valve if I need it?
The victory should be gone by March so i'll be on the hunt around then.
There is a guy named Pete Darbyshire who used to work at Foley Motorcycles who restores LCs so ill have a chat with him to see if anything is available around that time. Does anyone on here know him?
But then again, ive just had my bonus from work so if one pops in I cant resist, i'll just buy it and deal with the wife after.
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Post by billybalthorpe on Jan 21, 2018 1:55:58 GMT 1
As for high maintenance, my N1 (I hate calling it that, it was an N)valve did 24,000 miles in 2.5 years, I rode it like I stole it for the entire time, you couldn't red line it because all the power dropped off at about 9.2K so it was better to just change up. The only things I did apart from using good quality two stroke oil and having it serviced regularly was to replace the PV seals twice, fork seals once and a clutch. 300 miles to St Ives in 4.5 hours was a particular highlight, raced a guy who could really ride on a Harley over Bodmin Moor before the dual carriageway was built, arrived feeling fresh as a daisy at the Sloop pub on the front for a pint and a pastie from the pie shop next door. But then again I was 24 at the time.
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Post by doohanno1 on Jan 21, 2018 2:35:35 GMT 1
Thanks for the advice guys. The thing is i'm not looking for a perfect, original, matching numbers Valve. Ive got a Victory 8 Ball at the moment that I daren't ride in case it gets wet or dirty so i'm not going down that route again. I want a Valve that i'm not bothered if it rains while I'm out, or going out, I live in Stoke you see and it seems to rain here an awful lot. The Brazilian Valves seem to be quite a bit cheaper than the UK ones and that will do me. I suppose people on here know how to de restrict a Brazilian valve if I need it? The victory should be gone by March so i'll be on the hunt around then. There is a guy named Pete Darbyshire who used to work at Foley Motorcycles who restores LCs so ill have a chat with him to see if anything is available around that time. Does anyone on here know him? But then again, ive just had my bonus from work so if one pops in I cant resist, i'll just buy it and deal with the wife after. Well, you will find if you have an "8 ball* ride on a Brazilian it will get wet and dirty aswell.!!!
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Post by billybalthorpe on Jan 21, 2018 2:40:47 GMT 1
Penicillin on standby.
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Post by Denzil on Jan 22, 2018 8:46:48 GMT 1
Hi Billybalthorne,
there are some real good guys from Stoke on the forum who have RD's as well. I know Pete very well he gave me some good advice years ago about my RD and he serviced it as well before he left Foleys, Phil should really have held on to him for his knowledge alone.
And as for the RD350R, they are nice machines, some people say they are not as desirable as others but hey once you open her up and smell the 2 stroke you will be laughing.
Denzil.
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Post by billybalthorpe on Jan 22, 2018 13:22:55 GMT 1
Denzil
I thought Pete started his own business restoring and servicing/repairing LCs.
But like I said, I'm not after a show bike to keep in my living room and hopefully make a couple of grand on in a few years. I'm after something I don't mind riding, so stuff like matching numbers, original or correct paint, non standard or original parts, or bikes perceived as undesirable models. doesn't bother me as long as they work.
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Post by dbgr on Jan 22, 2018 13:52:45 GMT 1
Hi billybalthorpe, once this lc bug bites you, you just cant stop...
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Post by Denzil on Jan 23, 2018 8:46:24 GMT 1
Denzil I thought Pete started his own business restoring and servicing/repairing LCs. But like I said, I'm not after a show bike to keep in my living room and hopefully make a couple of grand on in a few years. I'm after something I don't mind riding, so stuff like matching numbers, original or correct paint, non standard or original parts, or bikes perceived as undesirable models. doesn't bother me as long as they work. Hi, Yes he did, he had wanted to do it ages ago apparently, but having a fall out with Phil was the nail in the coffin and forced his hand. But good on you, its about the experience and fun of riding an LC or Power valve, which ever takes your fancy. I am building another N2 now, just about to put the engine back together and get it in the bike. Have bought good barrels with new re-bore and new pistons. Like most people I do enjoy the building of these machines. If you need a help with anything when you are going to purchase an RD just shout more than happy to give you some advice. Denzil
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Post by Shytalk on Jan 23, 2018 8:57:36 GMT 1
Denzil I thought Pete started his own business restoring and servicing/repairing LCs. But like I said, I'm not after a show bike to keep in my living room and hopefully make a couple of grand on in a few years. I'm after something I don't mind riding, so stuff like matching numbers, original or correct paint, non standard or original parts, or bikes perceived as undesirable models. doesn't bother me as long as they work. Yes he has set up on his own. Welcome to the forum.
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Post by Ozhammer on Jan 23, 2018 9:49:25 GMT 1
I wouldn"t mind a Brazilian model.( sorry wrong forum) Yes the guys can be quite handsome 😘 Steve This thread is seemingly heading into Suzuki territory.....😳
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Post by zxmark on Oct 10, 2018 17:38:56 GMT 1
i have a 1986 f2 and an 1995 350R the F2 fully restored on here by poster named KennyRoberts. The 1995 350R is not restored Why because it doesnt need it its done 8500 miles and apart from a few bits is near mint so build quality??? 23 years old and not needing a restore should answer any doubters.
not riden F2 yet only just got tank back from renu coating and shot blast welded up. but 350R has exhaust washers removed and has size 55 power jets fitted but still on 180 mains runs great. I love them both. but prefer Kenny Roberts yellow colours.
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Post by jon on Oct 10, 2018 18:05:51 GMT 1
Been discussed many times over the years. Here’s the last thread I remember. rdlccrazy.proboards.com/post/314848/threadI don’t agree with the comment of ‘considerably less’ maybe perhaps ’slightly less’. Jon
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Post by liffy16 on Oct 10, 2018 19:35:43 GMT 1
The brazilian's are cheaper because they were not built in japan ! For me yamaha's have got to be manufactured in japan would'nt feel right otherwise.it's like buying a norton made in belgium! just my take on it though!!Dont take it personally
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Post by JonW on Oct 10, 2018 23:18:33 GMT 1
Been discussed many times over the years. Here’s the last thread I remember. rdlccrazy.proboards.com/post/314848/threadI don’t agree with the comment of ‘considerably less’ maybe perhaps ’slightly less’. Jon From that same thread I saidL: Weve said this over and over, as Jon states above it was the finish that had moved on by 1995, if they had tried to sell F2s in 1995 they would have had the same bad press. The twin headlight fairing also makes it look top heavy but it isnt to ride. The issue is that the modern journos in PB and classic bike just regurgitate what was said in 1992-5 about the R and have never owned one. It was the fact that bike quality had moved on... nothing else. Compare the inside of a 10 year old car to a just released car, worlds apart. Now imagine the journos moaning about hard plastics, lack of screens and whatnot. They would call it poor quality and lacking in features. Doesnt mean its bad, just not up to modern expectations. Our bikes were the same.
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