Hybrid Advice Needed

[kevm]

I placed a wanted ad but no response so thought i would have a look at whats involved in building my own, hmmmmm.

I have a 350LC matching numbers very nice condition so do i build this or look for a donor bike?

There are plenty people on here with the knowledge can anyone give me some pointers and advice?

R6 forks with radial mounts, is there a yoke kit available?

R6 Swingarm 2006 onwards

Engine YPVS, any idea how much to rebuild a YPVS engine so its brand new?
 

Or sit back and wait for one complete to buy??

Thanks for any info 

Kev

[oldelsieboy]

Dec 3, 2017 19:57:49 GMT 1 kevm said:

I placed a wanted ad but no response so thought i would have a look at whats involved in building my own, hmmmmm.

I have a 350LC matching numbers very nice condition so do i build this or look for a donor bike?

There are plenty people on here with the knowledge can anyone give me some pointers and advice?

R6 forks with radial mounts, is there a yoke kit available?

R6 Swingarm 2006 onwards

Engine YPVS, any idea how much to rebuild a YPVS engine so its brand new?
 

Or sit back and wait for one complete to buy??

Thanks for any info 

Kev

There is only one way to get a hybrid exactly as you want it, & that is to build it yourself.

Not only will it have your spec running gear you will be confident that it is put together correctly.

OEB

[kevm]

Thats what im thinking, im sure with some good advice to reduce the learning curve its the way to go.

[oldelsieboy]

Dec 3, 2017 20:21:26 GMT 1 kevm said:

Thats what im thinking, im sure with some good advice to reduce the learning curve its the way to go.

It's not difficult, if I can do it .....................

OEB

[veg]

If you can't do it or don't have the time their are plenty of people here that can either do it or advice you where to go. I built one a few years ago with very little input from others, I am presently doing a special that I have had to get others involved in due to not being good enough to do it myself or not having the time. Lots of inspiration here, if you have a nice matching numbers bike i personally wouldn't use that as a base (although i did just that) the way prices are going it will be worth while either holding onto it and starting with a frame if you are going the lc/pv route or buy an unfinished one. Also be realistic of your time frames I had hoped to get mine done within 6 months in reality it won't be ready until next spring, and treble the budget. They won't be cheap esp if you want the best you can buy and remember no project is finished its just in different stages. Good luck.

[dusty350]

Hi
If you have a matching numbers bike why don't you use parts that would enable you to return to standard at a later date if you wished. Most front ends go in with no mods to the frame, but rear ends are usually a bit more involved. If you opt for a wide wheel and swingarm it may mean frame mods to get them to fit which is fine if it's mismatched numbers anyway and always gonna be a hybrid, but not so good if you want to go back to standard at a later date. A Ypvs engine will slot straight in to an Lc frame of course, but a total rebuild, vapour blasting and powdercoat or paint will be £1k - that's before you buy the engine - normally £750 + nowadays. My F2 cost me £1200 to rebuild but I did add a Coolhead in that price, and carb rebuild too. Spondon440 on this forum makes some lovely yokes for various fitments, and of course, NK Racing do yokes too. A well built hybid with trick bits is an expensive build unfortunately. But OEB is right - if YOU build it it will be exactly what you want.

Dusty

[kevm]

Has anyone on here used the R6 swingarm?

[Mr Kipling]

too fit a later r6 wheel n arm u be needing to widen the frame ... personally I,d sell the matching numbers bike an use the proceeds to build exactly what u require

[kevm]

looks like getting another project bike is the way to go

[Mr Kipling]

makes sense too me , all u really need is a frame , bodykits are available to buy new nowadays ,so no dodgy old tanks n panels required.. as your gonna pop in diff engine n running gear , be shame to chop a whole bike..

[kevm]

Would a 250 frame be ok or does it need to be 350?

[dusty350]

250 and 350 are the same physically. 250 cheaper to buy normally than a 350.
My orange hybrid is a 250 frame.

Dusty

[kevm]

nice one thanks

[dusty350]

Hi
I think you'll find it cheaper in the long run to try and buy an unfinished or nearly finished project with the bits you need already fitted. Hybrids are getting really expensive to build now - lots of the commonly used parts have rocketed in price in the last couple of years. Bikes are often worth more in parts than as a complete bike, hence so many are broken for greater profit. At the moment 4-5k may get you a tatty, running hybrid that needs tidying and some work. Break down the value of it's constituent parts and it's probably more. The last one I bought was 4k, but I've virtually doubled that to get it to where it is now, and that was a complete bike to start with. Problem being that there aren't loads of project hybrids about

Good luck whichever way you go.

Dusty

[kevm]

Frame and V5 sorted :-)

[veg]

Dec 4, 2017 17:31:45 GMT 1 kevm said:

Frame and V5 sorted :-)

Well done sir and remember triple the projected costs and double the time 😀

[kevm]

Ive built a few tarmac rally cars so im well versed in the cost and time aspect, this is all new to me quite excited to start my first and probably last :-)

Spoke to Nigel at NK very helpful and has offered some good solid advice, so looks like im going for a NC29 swingarm and wheels as i prefer the multispoke wheels with R6 forks. Hopefully Nigel can do the work required to get it rolling then i can continue the quest for parts :-) whilst my bank balance slowly disappears

[dusty350]

Haha, your bank balance will "quickly" disappear !! But they are worth it !!

Enjoy the build

Dusty

[kevm]

Can anyone give me a rough price on a good spec YPVS motor?

[dusty350]

Hi
When you say "good spec" Ypvs motor, do you mean standard or big bore ? I had a 385 previously, built by someone else, and when I added up the price of the parts used it came to 4k. Bigger motors will cost more of course. That cost was just the uprated parts - crank, pistons, straight cut primaries etc. Jon was selling a Ypvs motor on here for £900, which is about what a decent engine costs now. Some are priced at more on ebay. Big bore motors will benefit from better carbs and ignition and pipes, so factor that in if you go the big bore route. A standard rebuild on a valve could easily cost you a grand - that's what both my Lc and Ypvs engines cost me, using genuine Yamaha parts where available.

Hth

Dusty

[kevm]

Ive been doing some numbers today which has curbed my enthusiasm, without going in to all the small parts and £2k on an engine im at £8k :-)

This has got me taking a backward step, possibly wait for one to come up for sale that i can then tweek to my spec, not many come up for sale so could be a long wait.

Or i might change my mind tomorrow and go for it :-) funny thing is i havent even ridden the LC or PV yet

[dusty350]

It really does add up I'm afraid. If you can buy one complete that needs work, you may pay more initially but save money in the long run. If you add up the cost of a decent front and back end from something like an Rgv, it will add up to a grand nowadays before you start modding it and improving it all. It's all the little bits you don't always account for and really adds up. It's up to you how far you go and how much you spend, but nothing in the Lc world is cheap anymore

Dusty

[kevm]

Well ive bought a NC29 so will be looking for a complete or part built bike now

[andy71330]

hi there, cant think of a better way to spend my cash, although my kid might not be so happy come christmas, haha, surely he must be used to his old man spending all his cash on bikes

[kevm]

Righty then, after a non start im back to building my own spec, using NC29 wheels and swingarm with NK modifying it to fit.

My question is the brake discs on the NC are 294mm i want to fit R6 forks 2006 onwards but they are 310mm discs, any idea how i can fit a radial mount fork using the NC29 wheel and disc?