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Post by Tobyjugs on Apr 12, 2016 21:37:00 GMT 1
Very nice to see it coming together
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Post by yamark on Apr 14, 2016 21:00:35 GMT 1
Thanks risolc and tobyjugs, A pic of the gearchange shaft. The standard LC shaft is 12mm, the CBR is 14mm, with the same spline. It doesn't sound a big difference but the LC's shaft seems very weedy compared to the 14mm CBR. Size must matter!
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The shaft is simply welded on to the LC claw, in the same way it's originally done, so shaft extended, no join. Larger oil seals to the correct dimensions are available.
Mark
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Post by gsexr on Apr 14, 2016 21:23:09 GMT 1
Great to see it coming together
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Post by markhoopy on Apr 14, 2016 21:36:35 GMT 1
Size really does matter. Without it your wallpaper would fall off.
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Post by rostrumorhospital on Apr 14, 2016 22:47:09 GMT 1
Really enjoy watching the updates on your build, your engineering and pure perservation has to be commended, If there is any justice your efforts will be rewarded with a crackin engine. keep the updates comin and good luck.
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Post by yamark on Apr 15, 2016 6:37:59 GMT 1
Really enjoy watching the updates on your build, your engineering and pure perservation has to be commended, If there is any justice your efforts will be rewarded with a crackin engine. keep the updates comin and good luck. Thanks mate, it's the people like yourself on the forum showing an interest and taking the time to post, that keeps my enthusiasm/motivation topped up.
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Post by yamark on Apr 15, 2016 6:40:03 GMT 1
Size really does matter. Without it your wallpaper would fall off.
That made me chuckle.
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Post by Yogi on Apr 15, 2016 7:51:59 GMT 1
Looking like an engine now mate,all credit to you for having the balls to go for it Well impressed,keep the pics coming Mark
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Post by yamark on Apr 15, 2016 15:38:35 GMT 1
Looking like an engine now mate,all credit to you for having the balls to go for it Well impressed,keep the pics coming Mark Thanks Matt, wish I was as far you on your stunning build.
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Post by muttsnuts on Apr 15, 2016 18:58:42 GMT 1
Hi Mark, got a few solutions to your problems for you;
1. Outrigger - just use a good quality sealed wheel bearing - they work perfectly fine in wheels and don't seize up and have an hard life, I have done this before and not had any issues to date 2. For you ignition, you could easily use an ignitech and have just one magnet on the flywheel and set it to work on one pulse per revolution and have seperate igntion coils, or use a 3 magnet flywheel and one pick up coil, by using an ignitech (not sure about Zeels but assume you can do the same), then you don't need the source coils on the stator anymore as the ignitech does the discharge of high voltage to the ignition coils, all it needs is the pickup and trigger point for each cylinder
Looking good BTW, keep it up
Turbo project is back in the frame and I'll be doing some updates soon.........
HTH
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Post by yamark on Apr 15, 2016 19:45:36 GMT 1
Hi Mark, got a few solutions to your problems for you; 1. Outrigger - just use a good quality sealed wheel bearing - they work perfectly fine in wheels and don't seize up and have an hard life, I have done this before and not had any issues to date 2. For you ignition, you could easily use an ignitech and have just one magnet on the flywheel and set it to work on one pulse per revolution and have seperate igntion coils, or use a 3 magnet flywheel and one pick up coil, by using an ignitech (not sure about Zeels but assume you can do the same), then you don't need the source coils on the stator anymore as the ignitech does the discharge of high voltage to the ignition coils, all it needs is the pickup and trigger point for each cylinder Looking good BTW, keep it up Turbo project is back in the frame and I'll be doing some updates soon......... HTH Dave, that was my thoughts on the outrigger bearing, As for the ignition, I don't know how the ignitech work, and assumed Zeeltronic just replaced your CDI box but allowed various ignition maps to be stored. If I had one trigger magnet, how would I get a 120 degree firing spacing?
If the source coils aren't needed on the ignitech then a three magnet flywheel would work , and a very elegant solution. I assume the LC stator and pickup coil can be used with the ignitech?
Thanks for the info mate, and can't wait for the next instalment on the turbo- Good to know I'm not alone in the bonkers stable!
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Post by yamark on Apr 24, 2016 20:26:38 GMT 1
Stage 5 - cylinder head. The 2 chamber head is milled first.
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The head extension for the third cylinder is on the left of the cylinder head. A second head is cut in half and milled
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The extra hose connection is removed. The reason for this is the original hose connection will be standard (between cyl 2 and 3), rear of the head. The coolant exits between cylinders 1 and 2 using a power valve thermo housing. This is to get the coolant flowing across the head.
The next image shows the heads being bolted into position, lined up, ready for welding.
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A blanking plate will cover the original LC thermo housing, and a new exit formed for the PV housing between cyl 1 and 2. Sorry it's a bit confusing. Next week will clarify it when I post the pics of the head welded.
Cheers Mark
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Post by markhoopy on Apr 24, 2016 22:12:29 GMT 1
Not confusing at all - the stage by stage photos you are adding are a huge help in following how it is all done
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Post by yamark on Apr 25, 2016 21:05:41 GMT 1
Thanks Mark .
I forgot to add this picture of the 2 chamber head
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 26, 2016 7:51:33 GMT 1
Hi Mark This is such an awesome build So much goes into building something like this - it's monumental !! Did you speak to Bwb regards frame mods ? Keep up the good work - will catch up soon Dusty
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Post by paulsx on Apr 26, 2016 12:55:28 GMT 1
You should have used an FZR shaft, they are 12mm and a lot longer lo
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Post by yamark on Apr 26, 2016 20:37:57 GMT 1
Hi Mark This is such an awesome build So much goes into building something like this - it's monumental !! Did you speak to Bwb regards frame mods ? Keep up the good work - will catch up soon Dusty Thanks Dusty, I've been so busy at work- not had any time to get the frame mods done, but I've now mocked up the front frame tubes in 25mm steel tube. I used steel conduit; and with a bender got the perfect shape. So I got some proper steel tube that's the same as the LC frame (diameter and thickness) and hope to get that shaped this week. Meantime, been let down by two welders, but have a lead on a mates sidecar frame builder. That guy is back off holiday at the weekend so I hope that he will do all the frame alterations. Last count there's 11 things to change on the frame!
But evenings I have been working on a few bits, the clutch cover is altered/welded, plus loads of small tasks done. Wheels are at the painters, generator is being machined/welded, clutch is with Harry- turning it into a 9 plate clutch. When the wheels come back (from painting), Slabsideian will fit my tyres - top bloke . Lots more going on behind the scene as well. Getting close to dry build stage.
I'll try to get round at the weekend if your about mate.
Cheers Mark
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Post by yamark on Apr 26, 2016 20:39:50 GMT 1
You should have used an FZR shaft, they are 12mm and a lot longer lo That will come in handy if I build a four cylinder LC
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Post by Slabsideian on Apr 26, 2016 20:54:19 GMT 1
Who was it who helped you get the perfect shape mate? Lol
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Post by yamark on Apr 26, 2016 21:02:27 GMT 1
Who was it who helped you get the perfect shape mate? Lol Not Jane Fonda's workout video
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Post by Slabsideian on Apr 26, 2016 21:21:21 GMT 1
No, I meant the bender!! lol
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Post by yamark on Apr 26, 2016 21:29:10 GMT 1
No, I meant the bender!! lol I so fell in to that one I think I should stop digging myself a big hole - NO PUN INTENDED
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 27, 2016 7:45:48 GMT 1
Hi Mark Sounds like lots going on !! Still, it's a good idea to have lots of parts being done at the same time - makes the build happen a lot quicker I am around at the weekend - I could always pop over to you if it suits Keep up the good work Dusty
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Post by yamark on May 1, 2016 17:02:50 GMT 1
Hi Mark Sounds like lots going on !! Still, it's a good idea to have lots of parts being done at the same time - makes the build happen a lot quicker I am around at the weekend - I could always pop over to you if it suits Keep up the good work Dusty So good to see you again Dusty. Thanks for the clutch plates . I just loved the expression on your face to see the triple engine mocked up. I lost count of how many times you said awesome , and as you said - there is so much to alter or make from scratch you forget how many hours you spend on making parts, compiling lists, working out problems and sourcing parts. But your comments and excitement were greatly appreciated. Also your help on suspension, frame alterations, exhausts and finish of cycle parts is invaluable- so cheers mate for all your help
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Post by dusty350 on May 1, 2016 20:11:28 GMT 1
Hi Mark Great to see the engine today, and you of course ! I know it's been a long wait to get it back, but it's been worth it Pictures don't really do justice to just how much engineering has gone into this build so far. Virtually nothing is left un modified, plus lots of new parts fabricated. Having seen it up close it's no surprise they are a super rare conversion. Even the mods to the frame would put a lot of people off from doing it. I'm sure everyone here will be blown away when it's completed. These are those Allspeeds I was telling you about; Food for thought Keep up the good work mate Regards Dusty
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Post by yamark on May 1, 2016 21:25:06 GMT 1
Cheers Dusty, and thanks for posting that image of the exhausts- that is the look I'm after.
Stage 6 - welding and machining the cylinder head.
The two heads are welded together all the way round. Then a new outlet is formed as described previously (in stage 5). The material is built up to form the new mating surface for the PV housing. This is machined, drilled and tapped later
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After a bit of dressing on the sides the underside is then machined flat. The head will have a light skim later.
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The head after machining of the join. The water passageways still have to be cleaned up.
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The top view after machining. So the water enters the head at the rear (between cyl 1 and 2) using the standard connection, flows across the head and exits between cyl 2 and 3. Also the blanking plate made and in position and the PV thermo housing
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Post by AndyYam on May 2, 2016 1:15:27 GMT 1
Wow! What a thread! My girlfriend keeps trying to get me to read the harry potter books at the moment but i keep losing interest. Certainly didnt happen here! Good work!
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Post by Eyrey1 on May 2, 2016 1:47:23 GMT 1
marc try ellis moore for your shaft theydo a lot of these type of things i will double check the name with my mate as he is doing a v4 rgv 500 so 2 rgv engines and he had them made special
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Post by Eyrey1 on May 2, 2016 1:51:35 GMT 1
ive sent him a message mate he should get back to me tomorrow i seem to remember him saying how much his special made drive shaft was and can remember thinking it was cheap , i will let you know what he says
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Post by yamark on May 2, 2016 18:38:09 GMT 1
Wow! What a thread! My girlfriend keeps trying to get me to read the harry potter books at the moment but i keep losing interest. Certainly didnt happen here! Good work! Thanks Andyyam, great comment. I've never seen a Harry Potter film all the way through - sends me to sleep every time.
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