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Post by phil1rowe4 on Sept 14, 2017 14:36:56 GMT 1
That's looking really nice Dusty. Love how the paint ranges from yellow to burnt orange in the different light.
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 15, 2017 20:13:06 GMT 1
Hi, Thanks, I really like the paint, and Mark has done a great job of applying it ! Today's job was electrics. I'm building up to fitting the loom. I had re sited the pv controller and Cdi in the tail but I was never very happy about the way they were crammed in to be honest. I don't want to cut/extend wires more than necessary, and getting these 2 components nearer the centre of the bike would save some work. Unfortunately there is virtually no space to put these boxes. Before I re fitted the airbox they would sit above the engine, but no room now. In the end I decided to remove the oil tank and make a plate to mount the boxes on. Normally I keep the tank intact and full of oil (this bike is premix), but as I will never do long distances on it I will opt for a spare bottle of oil in the tail instead. It's a compromise but I feel the electrical system is more important. Next issue is how to mount the plate ? There is 1 mounting point on the frame that originally holds the oil tank in place, but the bottom mounts for the tank are semi circular brackets. After some head scratching and spares box searching, I found 2 suitable "L" brackets that with a bit of improvisation, secure the plate to the bottom of the frame; 20170915_171206 by David Miller, on Flickr 20170915_171219 by David Miller, on Flickr 20170915_173700 by David Miller, on Flickr It's still a trial fit at the moment. I may shape the ally plate a bit more before I'm finished, but with both bottom brackets bolted up, it seems solid. The Cdi mounting holes are wider apart than an Lc Cdi so you cant easily bolt it on the back of the mudguard where the Lc one goes. All wires will go under the frame tube at the top of the plate, and with the side panel fitted it's all hidden. Dusty
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Post by 3tj6 on Sept 16, 2017 7:25:57 GMT 1
The bike looks lovely, I'm in the process of dry building a lc ypvs hybrid,like how you've mounted the electrics👍
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Post by 3tj6 on Sept 16, 2017 7:28:30 GMT 1
Could you put a picture up of how you've mounted the ypvs servo? Tia Jon
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 16, 2017 7:36:08 GMT 1
Yep will do. Will be tonight as im out all day. Basically its mounted on an L shaped bracket thats welded to the frame under the coil. It could be bolted in though if you dont want to weld. I will sort some pics later😉
Dusty
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Post by LC_BOTT on Sept 16, 2017 7:55:08 GMT 1
Lovely, haven't read the thread for a little while, having the same problem with some flat bars too, as I've never ridden or sat on a hybrid, thought these would be ok. I'm not too keen on Mx bars but the flatties just don't work, will lookout for the ones similar to yours, as they look much better and will work with the hydraulics.
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Post by 3tj6 on Sept 16, 2017 8:09:17 GMT 1
Thanks dusty, trying to get mine on its wheels today thanks Jon
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Post by veg on Sept 16, 2017 8:10:07 GMT 1
Was it tom Mac that used to do the servo brackets that went under the coil? Remember using one on my hybrid 10 yrs ago
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Post by Tobyjugs on Sept 16, 2017 8:17:12 GMT 1
Thats a nice idea using a plate for your bits and pieces
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Post by wallcraft on Sept 16, 2017 9:13:24 GMT 1
Lovely build. A nice Zeel box would substitute those boxes nicely, but I expect t you have to draw the line somewhere on these expensive builds.
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 16, 2017 15:25:13 GMT 1
Hi This is what I did but there are plenty of variations; DSCN3918 by David Miller, on Flickr Some guys have bolt in brackets which is great if you don't/cant weld the frame. I did mine before powdercoating so it was ok. As said, there is always a compromise when building these. I like to keep the oil tank on premix bikes but in my case it's not essential as I do very limited miles, but if you are running a pump then keeping the oil tank is a must, so siting boxes can be a nightmare. My main reason for the boxes in the new position is my electrical connections - mating F2 Cdi and pv controller to the Lc loom. I can save some cutting and remaking connections by having the boxes in the middle of the bike. If you are not running an airbox, a plate above the engine gives lots of room for the boxes, but as I reinstated an airbox, that idea got binned ! Tail cowl did work but it's a squeeze and would have meant extending wires a fair bit and I wasn't confident in doing that. I want to alter as little as possible so I don't end up with possible electrical problems later. But if you do remove the oil tank, the plate is a simple fix. Just the bottom mounts that took some working out but got there in the end. I may go with a Zeel in the future, but I didn't want to change everything at once in case of problems. The combined Cdi/pv box would make life easier regards siting it though. As for the flat bars - I love the look of them but they just weren't right for the controls. The clutch action on the F2 engine is pretty light compared to my Lc, but the cable look a bit tortured at the perch. The master cylinder was the problem, as the hose fittings would have fouled the fork tops. I have ultra low rise bars on the Lc, and they feel "right" and allow all controls the room they need so I went for the same on this bike. The Lc hybrid bars do have a cross brace which was originally anodised black, but I polished it and kept it as I thought it looked ok; 20170916_151437 by David Miller, on Flickr This bike will stay without a cross brace though. Dusty
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Post by mikee on Sept 16, 2017 21:08:04 GMT 1
Dusty , you need to fit some bearings to that electric plate
Mike
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 17, 2017 7:57:49 GMT 1
Bearings Not with you Mike ? Dusty
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Post by dereckerick on Sept 17, 2017 8:40:09 GMT 1
Inspirational!! Proper job Dusty!
The attention to detail is fantastic, and you have solved many problems that I have been mulling over in my head. It really is such a shame so many pictures were lost, particularly for novice builders like myself.
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 17, 2017 8:48:59 GMT 1
Hi I have all the missing pics saved in files on 3 different pc's, so I will reinstate them over time. Now the darker evenings are coming, I will spend time getting the pics back up Dusty
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 17, 2017 8:49:55 GMT 1
And if you need particular pics in the meantime, just ask Dusty
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Post by dono on Sept 17, 2017 10:53:12 GMT 1
Like the new bars dusty, they look a 100 better than the straight ones and I bet they are better to ride too. Think the round indicators suit a Loy better too. Ps your a right bl..dy tease only seeing the bike half dressed in its lovely orange. Can't wait to see the final pics :-) cheers Dono
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Post by yamark on Sept 17, 2017 19:33:00 GMT 1
Great work Dusty, I agree with Dono, the bars look better and will be kinder on your back. Cheers for the parts today
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 17, 2017 19:53:49 GMT 1
Hi Mark No problem. Good to catch up with you and all the other fellas. It was a great morning out And thanks for the pressure test kit I will try and get the pv engine tested later this week hopefully. See you soon Dusty
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Post by Yogi on Sept 17, 2017 21:28:02 GMT 1
Stop going on days out Dusty and get on with it Looking good mate, Nice break today having a chat with you,Mark,Carl and a few other forum boys Atb Matt
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Post by morgy on Sept 18, 2017 22:29:01 GMT 1
Hi, Thanks, I really like the paint, and Mark has done a great job of applying it ! Today's job was electrics. I'm building up to fitting the loom. I had re sited the pv controller and Cdi in the tail but I was never very happy about the way they were crammed in to be honest. I don't want to cut/extend wires more than necessary, and getting these 2 components nearer the centre of the bike would save some work. Unfortunately there is virtually no space to put these boxes. Before I re fitted the airbox they would sit above the engine, but no room now. In the end I decided to remove the oil tank and make a plate to mount the boxes on. Normally I keep the tank intact and full of oil (this bike is premix), but as I will never do long distances on it I will opt for a spare bottle of oil in the tail instead. It's a compromise but I feel the electrical system is more important. Next issue is how to mount the plate ? There is 1 mounting point on the frame that originally holds the oil tank in place, but the bottom mounts for the tank are semi circular brackets. After some head scratching and spares box searching, I found 2 suitable "L" brackets that with a bit of improvisation, secure the plate to the bottom of the frame; 20170915_171206 by David Miller, on Flickr 20170915_171219 by David Miller, on Flickr 20170915_173700 by David Miller, on Flickr It's still a trial fit at the moment. I may shape the ally plate a bit more before I'm finished, but with both bottom brackets bolted up, it seems solid. The Cdi mounting holes are wider apart than an Lc Cdi so you cant easily bolt it on the back of the mudguard where the Lc one goes. All wires will go under the frame tube at the top of the plate, and with the side panel fitted it's all hidden. Dusty That is a lovely looking bike!!! May i ask what the front and rear ends are from?
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 19, 2017 7:32:57 GMT 1
Hi It's an Rgv front end and yokes. The rear is a Metmachex ally swingarm with an Rgv wheel, Tyga carrier and Brembo caliper. Hth Dusty
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Post by morgy on Sept 19, 2017 7:48:13 GMT 1
Thanks dusty... I've just seen you sold your Blue hybrid... :-( That looked like my kinda project....
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 19, 2017 8:18:44 GMT 1
This bike was the blue hybrid, I swapped the bodywork over for Dono onto another hybrid I had, and sold that one. I'm guessing now that you want to go with a hybrid more than a standard Lc ? Dusty
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Post by morgy on Sept 19, 2017 8:51:21 GMT 1
I am still in two minds and to be honest and with my background of Car Resto I would never Take an Original car and turn it into something it never was... So I am either looking for a genuine Matching Original bike or a Hybrid rebuild project i can put my Stamp on..
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 19, 2017 12:43:18 GMT 1
Hi The thing with the Lc's and Pv's is that many were modified as soon as owners got hold of them. Back in the day, you probably saw as many modded bikes as standard ones, probably more. It seemed everyone had Microns or Allspeeds fitted, airboxes, standard pipes and centre stands lobbed in the bin, drop bars fitted etc etc. They were hooligan bikes and were altered to suit. A lot of owners now are reliving their youth, and build bikes like they had back then or wanted but never had ! Hybrids are still sought after, and offer improvements over standard if that's your thing ( brakes/tyres, fork and swingarm rigidity). it can be harder to build a mint, factory correct Lc as there is a definite way they have to be. A hybrid doesn't matter, it can be whatever you want it to be as there are no rules. Ultimately build what you want, and you'll get lots of help on here whichever route you take Dusty
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Post by morgy on Sept 19, 2017 13:50:38 GMT 1
Thanks Dusty...
I agree my old 125 was 'cough cough' modded, micron exhaust, No baffles as loud = FASTER RIGHT? ;-) no air box and K&N filter no centre stand, But As with my work Original = equals correct as it left the factory, so either 100% right or modded.... but looking at your Orange/Blue ;-) bike i am really leaning towards Hybrid but looking at the some of the threads on here cutting and modding/widening the frame will need some looking into and guidance. Also the price of buying a bike then buying all the extra's i guess is going to be circa 8-10k to finish..
Anyway.. I don't want to take over your thread... Thanks again...
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Post by veg on Sept 19, 2017 20:16:31 GMT 1
You don't need to mod the frame the majority of hybrids have the the suspension e.g. swing altered unless you want to go rising rate etc. Cost is another matter. I have spent upwards of £10-12 easily however it is a one off and unique, but you don't have to spend that much there are some really nice lc's with pv running gear etc that don't cost that. Then if you are handy fabricating as some on here are that reduces costs but obviously increases the time required. Horses for courses, and one thing i can guarantee is an open and helpful response from everyone on here. Good luck and enjoy whatever you choose to do.
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 20, 2017 20:18:52 GMT 1
Few more jobs ticked off. Did an air pressure test thanks to Yamark making me up a pressure gauge - cheers mate 20170919_143850 by David Miller, on Flickr Also trimmed up the electrics plate. Wires now go under the frame tube to prevent chaffing; 20170919_144015 by David Miller, on Flickr And my rear indicators arrived from M&p. I resited the stainless indicator bracket - had to widen the mounting holes - as I feel it looks better now; 20170916_175500 by David Miller, on Flickr 20170916_175444 by David Miller, on Flickr I really like the indicators. I may get some for the Lc hybrid. Also been going through some old looms, cutting off some connectors to be used with the loom and Pv boxes on this bike. Need to start pouring over the wiring diagrams now !! Dusty
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Post by JonW on Sept 21, 2017 9:08:31 GMT 1
Did you go for the longer ones for the rear Dusty? Are these alloy or plastic bodied? I like the look and theyre not silly money for once, the clevee midget LED ones for my XT500 cost over a hundred quid a set of 2... they do act as brake lights as well tho and are silly bright
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