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Post by dave1967 on May 12, 2011 23:22:59 GMT 1
Got frame,swinging arm...etc back today all been powder coated should have engine back next week..question is how/where do i start..what would you guys fit first..engine/swinging arm/forks and wheels??? All help appreciated.
Cheers
Dave
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Post by nikfubar on May 12, 2011 23:34:27 GMT 1
I normally get a rolling chassis before I fit the engine as it makes it lighter to move around, but it's up to you On the one I'm building now I'm fitting the engine first while it's on the bench because of the extra frame bracing which makes the engine a tight fit & I don't want to scratch the powder coat.
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Post by dave1967 on May 12, 2011 23:41:33 GMT 1
I see so there no laid out sequence then..i really dont have a clue which way to do it..what about loom to i lay that out in the early stages?
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Post by morton01 on May 13, 2011 0:46:37 GMT 1
I'd go rolling chassis, engine in, loom, cables and hoses, then final fit
cheers
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Post by dave1967 on May 13, 2011 0:55:11 GMT 1
so dont put loom in until after engine then..and by rolling chassis do you mean just wheels or hook up suspension as well..i can see me asking a question everytime a fit a nut or bolt when the time comes..just dont want to get it wrong.
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Post by morton01 on May 13, 2011 0:59:46 GMT 1
I think its each to their own with this and therefore can only offer an opinion, but yeah get the forks built up and assembled, swing arm built and assembled into frame. You can now push the bike around as req'd....next get the donkey in, pipes and hoses along with loom, then you can fire her up before any final assy.
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Post by dave1967 on May 13, 2011 1:04:12 GMT 1
Sounds so easy..lol..if i get a couple of those foam air filters can i do away with the air box as i think foam ones look better plus gives a lot more room.
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Post by pepsisteve on May 13, 2011 15:44:51 GMT 1
i put the loom in before the engine.
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Post by billy on May 13, 2011 16:26:08 GMT 1
I usually do it like this: 1st step: Install the headstock bearings, particularly the bottom one, as that one is a bit fiddly to install when the frame is standing upright. 2: Make sure the frame is standing upright so that the wheels (if they were mounted) would not touch the ground. Stand the frame on a steady box or whatever. Some people strap the frame to the box, that's a good idea so it doesn't tip over as easily. 3: Install inner muddy as Gary says. 4: Install yokes (this is when you want the headstock bearings in place) and slide the forks in. Don't forget to put the headlight brackets on. Now you can insert the front wheel axle and let the bike stand on the forks. 5: Now is a good time to install the main loom. 6: Install rear shock onto the swinger, and then slide the swinger and shock in, (not sure what bike you have, on a 125 you have to get the engine in before the swinger as the swinger bolt goes through the engine, you may want to have the loom in the frame before the engine, although I don't believe it makes a big difference) you may want to have a helping hand that holds the front of the shock up so it doesn't scratch the frame. 7: Install rear wheel. 8: Install all other bits and pieces and you're done! EDIT: I based this little guide from 350 LC though. You had a 350 YPVS right? If that is the case, you want to have a closer look at the airbox aswell before fitting the engine. I know these airboxes are a tight fit on the LC's and if you install the airbpx after the engine, you need to get the inlet rubbers and reeds off. But the YPVS bikes doesn't have the same airbox. I have never buggered around with a YPVS bike so I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if they also may have an airbox that are sitting very tight in the frame?
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Post by nikfubar on May 13, 2011 17:06:11 GMT 1
Yeah thats true, if you are going to keep the airbox put that in before the lump or electrics. As a guide, get it to this stage first, then engine, electrics etc
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Post by dave1967 on May 13, 2011 23:45:24 GMT 1
Cheers for that..very helpfull..i still got heaps to do before i can start though..main thing is cleaning and polising everything..especially the forks..may put rear mudguard on tomorrow at least i can say ive started then..being an LC2 does engine have to go in before swinging arm or after? Just going back to Billys last post about the 125. Also do you mean its easier to do bottom headstock bearing with frame not standing upright?
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Post by nikfubar on May 14, 2011 8:51:57 GMT 1
No, your swing arm is not connected to the engine. I take it you are fitting taper bearings to the head stock, to make life easy make this the first job you do to the frame
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Post by dave1967 on May 15, 2011 1:10:59 GMT 1
Yes i will be fitting taper bearings..do you mean fit them to the yolk or frame first..not even sure how they go on..does anyone have a picture..think its going to be rebuilt by pictures by you guys as im not too sure what goes where.
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Post by Norbo on May 15, 2011 11:41:02 GMT 1
I do it just like Gaz said . Fit front end and back end first so its up on its wheels then i fit the loom like pipsisteve does. then the clocks and bars bleed the brakes . The very last thing i fit it the engine, as its big heavy and gets in the way of working on the rest of the bike . Then carbs and pips and panels last of all .
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Post by dave1967 on May 16, 2011 0:43:28 GMT 1
Do you need any special tools or anything to fit the taper bearings..i was told you may have to modify things to fit them..is this correct?
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Post by Norbo on May 16, 2011 8:57:27 GMT 1
if your rebuilding the engine you need a fly wheel puller and a clutch tool and a dile gauge to set the timing id not all you need is reguler tools and a good hammer at you side to smack all them seazed in bolts lol
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Post by billy on May 16, 2011 13:55:05 GMT 1
Do you need any special tools or anything to fit the taper bearings..i was told you may have to modify things to fit them..is this correct? I just knocked mine in with a drive (is that the correct word? Anyway, see picture below) and a hammer. Somewhat tricky but it worked fine on my LC. www.biltema.se/ProductImages/19/large/19-1249_l.jpgIf someone knows a better alternative, please share it! EDIT: If you file two grooves inside our headstock, you can reach the backside of the bearing race and tap it out easily again. Tapered bearings can be a PITA to get out of the headstock otherwise. Some people end up welding a flat bar across the outer bearing race and knock it out from behind, this will obviously ruin the bearing race and tapered bearings are pretty expensive.
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Post by mellow on May 16, 2011 15:37:19 GMT 1
make up a drawbar with threaded rod/long bolt and some nuts and thick washers and draw them in
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Post by dave1967 on May 16, 2011 16:15:53 GMT 1
So you knock the cups into frame and then fit bearings on top?
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